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OMG! Im actually drooling here! Love it!First review of the Biktrix Monte Capro Ultra
I hope they dont make these in green, if they do im in trouble!
OMG! Im actually drooling here! Love it!First review of the Biktrix Monte Capro Ultra
Good question but with the current price of a Kindernay i fear we will be waiting a long time for an answer.Yes, 160Nm 1500W outperforms 80Nm 250W on climbing because of the motor is at lower gear and does nor spin too fast and provides more power at the same gear ratio. What I'm saying is 160Nm 1500W at lower gear ratio can not reach higher speed than 80Nm 250W at higher gear ratio (which is low gear ratio derailleur vs high gear ratio gear hub). In order to reach higher speed with 160Nm 1500W motor you need higher gear ratio. So I'm wondering if somebody uses Bafang m620 with big front chainring and small rear sprocket combined with Kindernay XIV gear hub and how fast this setup can go.
Ooo, sweet. That is exactly what I’m looking for.#14 I would add one bike with the note that it's an Ultra hardtail that DOESN'T come with fat tires under it....at a pretty reasonable price.
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It doesn’t appear the Sondors is an Ultra.I did a list like this in 2020 and it was time for an update.
Caveats for criteria:
1) My top 12 might be different than what you would put in there.
2) Must have a dedicated sub-forum on EBR.
3) I tried to include a variety of styles including hard tails, fatties, full suspension and step throughs.
4) Also many brands have upgrade options which I may have done or not, but this really effects pricing, sale prices come and go which might effect price rankings.
5) Finally number ranking doesn't mean it's better, just more expensive, it's up to you to decide which Ebike is best value or just the best for your needs.
Here is why the ultra motor, shown in this video, it is the hill crusher and beats all popular motors.
Go to 4:15 time stamp for the times
#1) FREY-Beast - $7980.00
Notable features, 60V Battery with custom Ultra
FREY LINK
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#2) BIKONET-Warthog MD1000 - $7799.00
Notable features, built in double batteries(30Ah) with gates belt and Rohloff IGH
BIKONET LINK
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#3) FLX-Blade 2 Touring - $7329.00
Notable features, gates belt and Rohloff IGH
FLX LINK
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#4) Watt Wagons - Ultimate Commuter Pro - $6899.00
Notable features, all Titanium frame with Innotrace X1 controller.
(shown with upgrades but priced out the entry level)
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#5) QuietKat-JEEP - $6699.00
Notable features, full suspension fatty
QuietKat Link
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#6 Biktrix-Monte Capro Ultra - $5999.00
Notable feature, premium carbon fiber frame, choice of colors.
Biktrix Link
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#7) FREY-CC - $4780.00
Notable features, the only full suspension step through on this list
Frey Link
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#8) LUNA-Z1 Enduro - $4500.00
Notable features, Carbon fiber frame, custom Magnesium version of the Ultra
LUNA Link
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#9) Eunorau-Specter ST-$4299.00
Notable features, step through specked with a second battery
EUNORAU Link
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#10) RIZE- RX Pro-$3299.00
Notable features, 52 Volt battery can be upgraded to dual batteries, economical.
RIZE link
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#11) SONDORS-Cruiser -$2999.00
Notable features, step through cruiser with solid fork; economical
SONDORS Link
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#12) Nireeka-Prime A4 - $2499.00
Notable features, unique head turning look, solid fork, carbon fiber, price point, upgradable
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So there they are, which one caught your eye ?
It is for sure an Ultra, Sonders just tune theirs down to 750nominal/ 1150peak to reduce component wear.It doesn’t appear the Sondors is an Ultra.
Ah OK. I was skeptical due to the specs and Sondors not mentioning what motor they were running.It is for sure an Ultra, Sonders just tune theirs down to 750nominal/ 1150peak to reduce component wear.
Also the motor on the Cruiser model has a protective cover over it.
Is there a non-canbus ultra for any 2022/23 model Ebike at this point ?Ah OK. I was skeptical due to the specs and Sondors not mentioning what motor they were running.
The Sondors LX & Crusier along with the Rize RX are top contenders for my next bike.
I assume the motors are all canbus requiring a swap to a UART motor if you want an aftermarket controller.
Not that I'm aware of. Frey maybe?Is there a non-canbus ultra for any 2022/23 model Ebike at this point ?
I know Biktrix was working on something, not sure where Roshan is at with it, but it looks like they started to develop their own in house motors for some models now.
Yeah unfortunately by now i think most companies are using the new canbus motors. Maybe contact Wattwagon?Ah OK. I was skeptical due to the specs and Sondors not mentioning what motor they were running.
The Sondors LX & Crusier along with the Rize RX are top contenders for my next bike.
I assume the motors are all canbus requiring a swap to a UART motor if you want an aftermarket controller.
No. On my Rize RX (2021-2022 version), when riding steep uphill with no wind, I can get, maybe, into the low 20s. Like 20-22 mph. With a serious wind it might struggle to reach 20 mph. This depends, of course, on how steep of a hill you're talking about.I use my speed unrestricted Yamaha PW-X (80Nm 250 W) powered eMTB for commute and I really struggle to keep up with traffic even in 25 mph zone even on the flat ground even in no wing condition. It requires to push really hard to keep the bicycle at that speed and the best speed I can reach on it going uphill or against the wind is 20 mph. This is quite dangerous and annoying for drivers even in 25 mph zone (I occupy the whole lane because of eMTB has wide bar). And there are unavoidable 35 mph zones (including 35 mph uphill) on my commute route without dedicated bicycle lanes where commuting becomes really dangerous, even there are signs post to watch drivers for bicycles.
And this is the motor limitation, not the transmission limitation (my bicycle has high speed ratio Kindernay XIV gearhub allows to keep the motor at low RPM high torque zone even at 30 mph. I can set the gear at which my Yamaha PW-X still shows close to maximum torque level on display at 30 mph but struggles to go any faster even downhill).
Would I be able to make 35 mph uphill against the wind with ease on Bafang m620 powered bicycle?
No changes in the recent Ultra CANBUS scene, none that I'm aware of anyway. You are just one of a LOT of people wondering why Bafang went this way. There's a theory it was done for warranty purposes, but it doesn't hold much water. When you consider the potential sales that have been lost due to CANBUS for instance, that's a LOT of money. I would think that warranty claims could easily be covered with their profits from those sales.I asked about this in a Biktrix thread, but this may be a better spot to follow up on this CANBUS stuff...
The CANBUS shift has me quite concerned (as I have always read poor feedback about the stock settings and different bikes/setups warrant different settings), but I don't have a great grasp on the current state of things after trying to catch up (particularly any developments in the last 6-9 months). I'm catching up from ~2017/2018 and am looking to upgrade my old BBSHD bike to something w/ good/smooth/responsive torque sensing...
- Are bike dealers still hamstrung on being able to do any customizations for their bikes? Do they have any means to create their own custom firmware targeted for their SKUs? Is there any transparency about what can/cannot be done being provided?
- Any known plans from Bafang to allow more customization via CANBUS going forward (even if behind a paywall of some sort, etc)?
- Are there any sellers still sourcing UART version... or have better means than others to customize (Biktrix, Frey, etc, etc)?
- Has anyone taken delivery of a Bafang Ultra (or other torque sense CANBUS Bafang model) and evaluated the tuning in recent months (CANBUS model)? Any changes from early stock CANBUS settings/tuning?
I am in the market for an ebike in the 3.5-5k range, but am starting to consider the DIY route or something with a custom controller, etc (EG: maybe Luna Z1 w/ VESC?)... though, would prefer to get one of a handful of Bafang Ultra centric bikes that otherwise check all my boxes and be done w/ it (but absolutely don't want to spend that much money to be locked into something I am not happy with). I was close to buying a Biktrix UB2 last week prior seeing all of this .
(If anyone else has been in a similar spot with a recent purchase, I'd be interested to know your line of thinking, what you did, and if you are happy w/ your decision or would consider changing anything if you were to do it over, etc.)
(I also just don't understand Bafang's intention with all of this. They have no apparent means to monetize the shift to CANBUS, correct? (at least so far) I understand CANBUS gives them more proprietary control, but what are they gaining in said control without some means to charge users for access, etc? If they paywalled "advanced tuning access" for $99 or whatever, I could at least see the payoff for them... but current state (from what I know) just seems like it is simply worse for all involved (unless I'm missing something).)
Thanks!
In regards to the M600 is that a factory one with no upgrades or an upgraded one with V2 Peek gear and controller?No changes in the recent Ultra CANBUS scene, none that I'm aware of anyway. You are just one of a LOT of people wondering why Bafang went this way. There's a theory it was done for warranty purposes, but it doesn't hold much water. When you consider the potential sales that have been lost due to CANBUS for instance, that's a LOT of money. I would think that warranty claims could easily be covered with their profits from those sales.
Yes, there are brainiacs trying to break the CANBUS code. Some have managed that, but on a very limited basis, not enough to even talk about.
NOBODY can reprogram a CANBUS motor, not even the bike manf's. Anyone that says they can is probably stretching the truth....
Recent M600 motors do seem to have been improved programming - and they're now quiet. I bought one, and it seems to work pretty good - but I still don't think it's up to the standards available with the UART based Ultra's.
All factory, with no aftermarket parts. It's a 2 month old Evelo Atlas. I was prepared to install a PEEK gear if necessary, but this thing is quiet!In regards to the M600 is that a factory one with no upgrades or an upgraded one with V2 Peek gear and controller?
The 3x3 still can not take 1:1 full torque from the motor + rider according to the peak torque rating. A 200lb rider standing on the cranks at horizontal produces about 160Nm to add to the Ultra's 160nM so total torque exceeds all IGH torque ratings if the drive ratio is not increased for speed (it's the way the industry has been protecting the IGHs while they claim they do it because planet gear designs have underdrive).The detuned Sondors Ultra bikes have had rear hub issues. I had an LX on an original preorder, but canceled when can-bus was confirmed. That led to me considering a Frey CC. After reading Tom D's review I ordered one. Full suspension step thru mid drive is Just what a old dude needed. Made sure I got the UART. Definitely my best e-bike purchase ever. I will add a robust IGH like this when it is commercially available. https://www.3x3.bike/en/nine-gear-hub/