What's your opinion on the "Idaho Stop" law?

[Nvreloader]

In in Nevada, all bikes have the same responsibility as motor vehicles,
they must obey the traffic control devises in place, and there is "NO"
lane splitting, that I am aware of. Stop and then right turn at a light is OK,
where posted.
Since I don't do pavement, I am not concerned about it, much.

I just have to figure out, Who has the right away when a
2000#+ Brahma Bull walks out in front of you on his trail.....LoL
along with Ma Ma cows and new born, they are always on the "Prod".

For some reason my electronic horn gets them on the "Prod" in a heartbeat,
so I have learned to hit the throttle and take to the brush.....most of the time,
while being very very quite.

 

[Marquezdl]

Victimless crime

Victimless until said cyclist gets t-boned by a car driving through a green light

 

[Mr. Coffee]

"Idaho Stop" laws do not mean that cyclists can ignore stop signs (or in some states red lights). They still have to yield to oncoming traffic. Kind of a ridiculous mischaracterization to argue otherwise.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

https://plasma.physics.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/Publications/StopSignsAccess.pdf

 

[rayray]

we have that law here in Oregon. what I get a lot is cars stopping for me when I have the stop sign.

I find it really irritating when cars with the right-of-way stop and wave me through…….NO! I’M STOPPED! YOU GO!

 

[mschwett]

I find it really irritating when cars with the right-of-way stop and wave me through…….NO! I’M STOPPED! YOU GO!

yeah, especially when they’re enough before you that if they just went, you’d slide behind them without needing to fully stop. instead everyone stops and waves at each other

the fully driverless cars here do this - they are hyper conservative around cyclists at intersections.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

I find it really irritating when cars with the right-of-way stop and wave me through…….NO! I’M STOPPED! YOU GO!

The same here.

Pedestrians attempting to cross the zebra had been terrorized by the drivers for as long as I can remember here (jaywalking has never been allowed in Poland). The recent law has introduced severe penalties for not yielding the pedestrian on the zebra. People still are afraid to exercise their new right-of-way. Often, I can see a pedestrian waiting until I pass them on my bike. I dramatically slow down, broadly smile and calmly say: 'Please go walk. You have the top priority on the zebra'. It will take a long time until the pedestrian learn the new rule...

Quite different in Lithuania. The drivers were taught to stop at the zebra (at the slightest sign of a human present near to the crossing) at least 11 years ago. Probably the police in our little neighbour country took the matter very seriously (the Lithuanian police just love ticketing drivers!)

 

[PDoz]

The same here.

Pedestrians attempting to cross the zebra had been terrorized by the drivers for as long as I can remember here (jaywalking has never been allowed in Poland). The recent law has introduced severe penalties for not yielding the pedestrian on the zebra. People still are afraid to exercise their new right-of-way. Often, I can see a pedestrian waiting until I pass them on my bike. I dramatically slow down, broadly smile and calmly say: 'Please go walk. You have the top priority on the zebra'. It will take a long time until the pedestrian learn the new rule...

Quite different in Lithuania. The drivers were taught to stop at the zebra (at the slightest sign of a human present near to the crossing) at least 11 years ago. Probably the police in our little neighbour country took the matter very seriously (the Lithuanian police just love ticketing drivers!)

Meanwhile, in the land of OZ..... kids enjoy riding their bikes up to pedestrian crossings, waiting until cars stop then turning away and riding off.

Happened to me this afternoon....VERY temptied to go visit his parents for a chat.

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

https://plasma.physics.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files/Publications/StopSignsAccess.pdf

An ebike with a thr***** takes a lot of the sting out of frequent traffic stops, whatever the cause.

Plasma physics won't help you figure out the added battery drain since there are usually no plasmas involved (absent a burning battery). However, you might be able to figure it out with quantum loop gravity.
;^}

 

[tomjasz]

I find it really irritating when cars with the right-of-way stop and wave me through…….NO! I’M STOPPED! YOU GO!

exactly. too many times I've been waved through but wasn't fast enough t accelerate and damn near get hit be the anxious cager. I'm with you, I never trust the cage intersecting with me.

 

[Rexlion]

This has nothing to do with biking, but I remember one time I was driving through a small town in MN that had signs proclaiming "State Law: Stop for Pedestrians in Crosswalk". So I'm coming up to a crosswalk and there's a guy standing on the sidewalk watching me come along. He looked at one point like he might want to cross but appeared to change his mind. So I kept coming (not going fast or anything), and as I passed the guy he started yelling at me for not stopping. I was thinking, hey if I see someone in a crosswalk I will stop, but the law says nothing about stopping when nobody is crossing! (Or am I supposed to be a mind reader?)

 

[Stefan Mikes]

This has nothing to do with biking, but I remember one time I was driving through a small town in MN that had signs proclaiming "State Law: Stop for Pedestrians in Crosswalk". So I'm coming up to a crosswalk and there's a guy standing on the sidewalk watching me come along. He looked at one point like he might want to cross but appeared to change his mind. So I kept coming (not going fast or anything), and as I passed the guy he started yelling at me for not stopping. I was thinking, hey if I see someone in a crosswalk I will stop, but the law says nothing about stopping when nobody is crossing! (Or am I supposed to be a mind reader?)

In some countries, there would be a cop behind a tree just waiting to give you an expensive lesson for the very fact of not stopping before the zebra.
Nowadays, the police use drones to catch drivers for not stopping before the railroad crossing with the barriers open.

 

[Tars Tarkas]

This has nothing to do with biking, but I remember one time I was driving through a small town in MN that had signs proclaiming "State Law: Stop for Pedestrians in Crosswalk". So I'm coming up to a crosswalk and there's a guy standing on the sidewalk watching me come along. He looked at one point like he might want to cross but appeared to change his mind. So I kept coming (not going fast or anything), and as I passed the guy he started yelling at me for not stopping. I was thinking, hey if I see someone in a crosswalk I will stop, but the law says nothing about stopping when nobody is crossing! (Or am I supposed to be a mind reader?)

I might not yell at you, but if it were me wanting to cross the road I'd probably wait to see if you were going to stop before stepping out in front of you. Now, in a parking lot, where cars are doing <4 mph, I'd go ahead. Bottom line though, people in cars, on foot, or on bikes, aren't always going to do the most logical thing....

TT

 

[Tbill]

I agree with treating stop signs as yield signs.
With a bike, you tend to be going much slower as a maximum speed and much less obstructed view. If there is an obstruction like a building or a hedge, then it might not be appropriate.
I think it was in the 70s or 80s that they decided to make most stops 4-way stops because they never thought about how it affected our pollution levels. And of course they never thought about what a pain it was to cyclists.
I see a lot of people in cars treating stop signs like they didn't exist. Maybe they are getting too old to drive.

 

[tomjasz]

This has nothing to do with biking, but I remember one time I was driving through a small town in MN that had signs proclaiming "State Law: Stop for Pedestrians in Crosswalk". So I'm coming up to a crosswalk and there's a guy standing on the sidewalk watching me come along. He looked at one point like he might want to cross but appeared to change his mind. So I kept coming (not going fast or anything), and as I passed the guy he started yelling at me for not stopping. I was thinking, hey if I see someone in a crosswalk I will stop, but the law says nothing about stopping when nobody is crossing! (Or am I supposed to be a mind reader?)

as a frequent pedestrian i never step off the curb until the cage slows down. next time stop. if you ever needed to regularly cross a busy street on foot you’d understand.

 

[antboy]

I'm a fan of, and practice the Idaho stop at 4-way stops all the time, as long as the view is clear in all directions.

At intersections with lights, where I live, it's just safer to stick to them. There's enough car traffic 99% of the time that it's the most practical way to go.

 

[newts]

I'm a fan of, and practice the Idaho stop at 4-way stops all the time, as long as the view is clear in all directions.

At intersections with lights, where I live, it's just safer to stick to them. There's enough car traffic 99% of the time that it's the most practical way to go.

Exactly. On busy intersections it wouldn't change anything. Do you live in a IS state? I find on my commute there is one light where I cross the T with a wide safe margin I don't stop and another 4 way intersection that is usually busy I always stop and wait.

 

[Jim1348]

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-lifestyle/minnesota-just-made-it-legal-for-cyclists-to-go-through-stop-signs-without-stopping

 

[antboy]

Exactly. On busy intersections it wouldn't change anything. Do you live in a IS state? I find on my commute there is one light where I cross the T with a wide safe margin I don't stop and another 4 way intersection that is usually busy I always stop and wait.

Nope, in Canada (Toronto).

Our province's cycling rules are basically "follow all car rules", so no Idaho stop. Most riders do it though.

 

[newts]

Nope, in Canada (Toronto).

Our province's cycling rules are basically "follow all car rules", so no Idaho stop. Most riders do it though.

Interesting so there is no requirement to move the right if you can?