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Only way I would have a generator for backup is if it ran on propane and had at least a 100 gallon propane tank in my yard.
NG lines can be cut off (ask Germany) and diesel and gas do not store well for long periods.
Propane can be stored forever and is much cheaper and propane is a bastard gas that they have to flare off at the refineries if not used. It is also cleaner and in appliances like new furnaces it burns 98.7% clean. I use propane for my stove and OD water heater with a wood stove backup system.
NG lines can be cut off (ask Germany) and diesel and gas do not store well for long periods.
Propane can be stored forever and is much cheaper and propane is a bastard gas that they have to flare off at the refineries if not used. It is also cleaner and in appliances like new furnaces it burns 98.7% clean. I use propane for my stove and OD water heater with a wood stove backup system.
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Your assuming everyone has just 15 gals of gas. Part of an installation is determining what outage durations in your area are the norm and stockpiling what you need. In the event of extended power outages like happened up by the dixie fire. Pg&e brings in portable generators to cover protracted outings after a week or so. Heck between my motorhome, and 3 cars I probably have 150 gals of fuel onsite at all times. For folks with nat gas, they have unlimited run time, and those with propane tanks can easily run few weeks on a typical sized tank.
and as to your comment on costs, a tesla powerwall will give you a few days of limited power use IF the weather is conducive it will partially recharge daily. If it isn’t your out of luck. That’s what you get for $12k. For a quarter of that you can install switchgear, a generator, and whatever fuel storage you need. And it works in any weather!
and as to your comment on costs, a tesla powerwall will give you a few days of limited power use IF the weather is conducive it will partially recharge daily. If it isn’t your out of luck. That’s what you get for $12k. For a quarter of that you can install switchgear, a generator, and whatever fuel storage you need. And it works in any weather!
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Propane generators are the most common installation with many already having an existing 500 gal storage tank.
as to nat. Gas disruption, comparing what’s happening in europe to the us is ridiculous as us has an overabundance of supply. Our risk on the west coast is earthquakes damaging transmission lines not so,e other country holding us hostage.
as to flaring propane, you obviously never spent time in a us refinery or oil field. Clean air act prevents flaring except in emergency and drilling operations produce nat gas not propane. Propane is mfg’d in the distallation process at refineries and stored in giant sheres to be sold. There is plenty of demand for the supply.
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I live in the oil patch with a gas transfer plant less than a mile away.
It has flared off over 20 times this year.
No one drills for propane and it is a biproduct of NG processing and crude oil refining. If it wasn't used it would have to be flared off.
A Giant Flaw in Texas Blackouts: It Cut Power to Gas Supplies
- Power plants needed natural gas, but natural gas needed power
- A vicious cycle left producers unable to supply gas in crisis
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Propane is a cut of natural gas. You need a gas processing unit (a refinery/distillation column, or fractionator to separate the various components. Gas transfer plants typically only remove entrained water to prevent moisture from freezing. In west texas gas gathering system construction is well behind the times. In many locations, with no pipeline nearby, they reinject it into the ground.
you might live near a plant but I worked in the oil indistry for 40 years including upstream (drilling and completions, midstream, and downstream refining (at every one of our US and int’l plants.
The fact that you say they flare 20x a year just reinforces my point. That you are not allowed to continuously flare. If someone is doing it 20 times a year, they may have an allowable discharge limit Giving them some leeway.
as to texas’ freak weather and design flaw in critical supply systems, it is what it is. I suspect they are already working on a remedy. And that’s why most home generators are capable on running 3 fuel types.
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Didn't that whole clustertruck result in large part from the states unwillingness to connect to the national (or at least neighbouring) power grid? Independence is nice and all, up to the point where hundreds die from a government's stubbornness.
Mulezen
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Yes, that’s part of it I believe (from memory), it’s also political with entrenched interests on the power commission (Oil)
They’ve had more power issues since with the climate change yo-yo of heat and cold. But its a Republican talking point there that climate change is a liberal ruse.
They’ve had more power issues since with the climate change yo-yo of heat and cold. But its a Republican talking point there that climate change is a liberal ruse.
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Whaaat?? Man, that hurt real bad too. Wow. CN
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Wow....Do just make this all up as you go along? For example...Europe is desperate because their usual access to gas and oil is being hindered. This is different from the norm. Nobody said their Green was ready to support things.
CO2 not contributing? Wow.
I gotta go now. Sheesh. CN
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WOW.
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WOW.
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So....air compresses itself? Great. CN
Comfortably Numb
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WOWLOL Seriously though Renewable energy isn't even renewable. What exactly is being renewed ? Technically the wind doesn't blow everyday and nor does the sun shine daily . You can't reuse the process or the equipment used for solar and wind . So what is it that's renewed ?? Only thing I can see that keeps renewing daily is the SPIN
It's also coming out that most of the flooding and droughts are being caused by man himself . With the idea of seeding clouds and filling the skies with ash . They are doing this alot . It causes the snow to burn if you light it with a match . Sounds crazy but try it this winter . Shocked me as well
Comfortably Numb
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Pointless trying to explain this. The guy doesn't know what renewable refers to. Just read the inane posts
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About the best sense you've made all thread, except humans are involved to screw up the safeguards.
Right up until the above statement. That's the problem with nuclear. CN
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WOW. I wish my 3rd grade teacher was so worldly. Why was he wasting his time teaching 8 year olds?No body agrees with me ?? I mean this with no offense . As a kid , a third grader . Our history teacher told the class never to follow along with what the crowd believes is the best way . As history itself shows us that whatever the masses are convinced of. Has always turned out to be the wrong thing . He said the proof of that is public opinion changes constantly . And is , and I quote him. Never based on intelligent facts and evidence . Because you just can't educate the masses . They daydream every 20 seconds .
So based on Mr. Clark's advice . Nobody agrees is a Good thingJust saying
In my short life span I can point out the masses believed based on what they were told . We'd enter a new ice age by 2000. Then it went to Y2K , 9/11 means Islam means peace , Global warming , and finally Carbon we all exhale is destroying the planet's atmosphere . OOOH yeah Russia is the 2nd most dangerous thing on the planet.
Just saying . None of those things were true and before it was proven they were wrong . Most by a vast majority believed it . I mean come on today the masses believe that there are many genders . That a man exists who bares children and lactates .
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