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Why? No offense but you remind me of my BIL . He gets upset if someone disputes what he thinks . He doesn't take other views besides his own very well . I'm not being rude or vulgar . Just simply pointing out obvious issues . What's wrong with that ?
Who's upset?
You're just a bit of a broken record and in my opinion part of the problem. In any case there's just no reason to stay on podium that long. And just incase you haven't noticed, no one here agrees with you.
 
Betting you have, but just in case, have you seen the projects playing with wave and tidal action? No not here today, but I would consider them both to be "renewable" as the term is used today. Both showing a lot of potential....
Potential is the key word . And at what cost ? From what little I have read on this . While it's renewable it's also quite inconsistent . The factories cost 10 times what a normal power plant would cost . It's very damaging to marine line . And the locations are limited . However research is a good thing . But they are funding this all with mainly middle class money . It's definitely limited to areas . In the meantime they are destroying the sources of income to fund these things . By taking away the middle class's means of employment .
That's my whole issue. This technology isn't a wow moment . Not enough to eliminate fuel use like they are doing .
From everything I have looked at . The Benefits of all this green energy don't outweigh the overall cost . Plus the goal is supposed to be to save the planet . Yet they appear to be destroying the life it supports along the way .
The real energy we should be working on is nuclear . It's by far the least expensive . We have the safe guards and technology . Very little can't be reused .
Yet they give the excuse that someone might use it to destroy . Doesn't that already exist? Seriously what's the difference of one big bomb verses 2 to destroy a whole nation ? Of the 3 lets say ways to supply energy . From what I see Nuclear is by far the best over all method .
The problem is that it doesn't make the Powers that be Money

After all an Al Gore couldn't become a Multi Millionaire by claiming the planet was going to explode . Like he has for the last 30 years .
 
Who's upset?
You're just a bit of a broken record and in my opinion part of the problem. In any case there's just no reason to stay on podium that long. And just incase you haven't noticed, no one here agrees with you.
No body agrees with me ?? I mean this with no offense . As a kid , a third grader . Our history teacher told the class never to follow along with what the crowd believes is the best way . As history itself shows us that whatever the masses are convinced of. Has always turned out to be the wrong thing . He said the proof of that is public opinion changes constantly . And is , and I quote him. Never based on intelligent facts and evidence . Because you just can't educate the masses . They daydream every 20 seconds .
So based on Mr. Clark's advice . Nobody agrees is a Good thing :) Just saying
In my short life span I can point out the masses believed based on what they were told . We'd enter a new ice age by 2000. Then it went to Y2K , 9/11 means Islam means peace , Global warming , and finally Carbon we all exhale is destroying the planet's atmosphere . OOOH yeah Russia is the 2nd most dangerous thing on the planet.
Just saying . None of those things were true and before it was proven they were wrong . Most by a vast majority believed it . I mean come on today the masses believe that there are many genders . That a man exists who bares children and lactates .
 
Only problem with all your equations. Just like with evolution ,it only works on paper . . Your problem with renewables is you can't store wind or Solar power . It also isn't a 24 hr a day power source. If areas where rain occurs for 2 weeks -2 months or in areas where it's cloudy and cold for months what then ? In a perfect situation Green energy takes a 1000 times the space to provide the same energy fuels and coal does . Plus like I said you can't store it in reserves for just in case .
Bottom line is there's no science I know of where you can make windmills or solar panels . As well as batteries , without using coal /oil and gas .
It's not the green I have a problem with . It's destroying the old current way before the new way is perfected . And seriously for what purpose ? The planet whether you believe it's dying or not can't be stopped by what is being proposed .
Musk stated awhile that one of his plants at the current production rate . Would have to produce batteries at a rate of 500 daily for 100 years . Do supply energy for just 1 Winter . For a city the size of NJ. Plus a battery made today that sat around being stored for just a few years would be worthless. So you simply can not store up green energy .
We also know that windmills fall apart after 15 years max. They also kill 100's of birds everyday they spin .

And for what purpose ? Where is all this pollution they cry about ? It's gone accept for countries that refuse to filter their processing plants .

Like I said : As a sideline it suffices . But does it ? How far can a car travel before it has to not only find a charging station . But stay there hours to fully recharge .

Butt the real bottom line is why ? I know there's chaos with the climate . But there always has been . C02 to not contributing to what we see going on. That's made up nonsense .

Finally why are you calling Wind and Solar renewable ? Both turbines and Solar panels can't be re-used and are starting to pile up . Even the Harvard study done by pro green energy professors. Admit that the amount of Land and the amount of energy needed has been grossly under-estimated
Watch Europe this winter : They are in trouble , and are just now realizing that green isn't going to cut it . They are desperate for Gas/oil and coal
There are already exceptions, yes it is possible to make solar cells from more mundane material, whether it is worthwhile or not is the question, same with windmills, other than the environmental upset , Hydro seems to be pretty cost effective( after all it is deferred solar)
 
No body agrees with me ?? I mean this with no offense . As a kid , a third grader . Our history teacher told the class never to follow along with what the crowd believes is the best way . As history itself shows us that whatever the masses are convinced of. Has always turned out to be the wrong thing . He said the proof of that is public opinion changes constantly . And is , and I quote him. Never based on intelligent facts and evidence . Because you just can't educate the masses . They daydream every 20 seconds .
So based on Mr. Clark's advice . Nobody agrees is a Good thing :) Just saying
In my short life span I can point out the masses believed based on what they were told . We'd enter a new ice age by 2000. Then it went to Y2K , 9/11 means Islam means peace , Global warming , and finally Carbon we all exhale is destroying the planet's atmosphere . OOOH yeah Russia is the 2nd most dangerous thing on the planet.
Just saying . None of those things were true and before it was proven they were wrong . Most by a vast majority believed it . I mean come on today the masses believe that there are many genders . That a man exists who bares children and lactates .
I also remember 3rd grade and reading comprehension.
No one here* agrees with you.
And there's plenty of people in your corner so how do you know that you're not the sheep following the flawed facts blindly.
So if we are the ignorant, then it is with bliss.... So please move on as you're stinking up the place with your poop_pee talk (brought it to 3rd grade for you)
 
I also remember 3rd grade and reading comprehension.
No one here* agrees with you.
And there's plenty of people in your corner so how do you know that you're not the sheep following the flawed facts blindly.
So if we are the ignorant, then it is with bliss.... So please move on as you're stinking up the place with your poop_pee talk (brought it to 3rd grade for you)
I would usually say ' tell us how you really feel' but with @Gionnirocket , that isn't required ... or wise😂
 
Anyway and even further /offtopic, did anyone else see the Bloomburg article on people behind on utility's bills?
I did not, but if it's anything like the folks in Detroit feeling they shouldn't have to pay for water, that water is some sort of basic right, I'm likely gad I didn't.
 
Only problem with all your equations. Just like with evolution ,it only works on paper . . Your problem with renewables is you can't store wind or Solar power . It also isn't a 24 hr a day power source. If areas where rain occurs for 2 weeks -2 months or in areas where it's cloudy and cold for months what then ? In a perfect situation Green energy takes a 1000 times the space to provide the same energy fuels and coal does . Plus like I said you can't store it in reserves for just in case .
Bottom line is there's no science I know of where you can make windmills or solar panels . As well as batteries , without using coal /oil and gas .
It's not the green I have a problem with . It's destroying the old current way before the new way is perfected . And seriously for what purpose ? The planet whether you believe it's dying or not can't be stopped by what is being proposed .
Musk stated awhile that one of his plants at the current production rate . Would have to produce batteries at a rate of 500 daily for 100 years . Do supply energy for just 1 Winter . For a city the size of NJ. Plus a battery made today that sat around being stored for just a few years would be worthless. So you simply can not store up green energy .
We also know that windmills fall apart after 15 years max. They also kill 100's of birds everyday they spin .

And for what purpose ? Where is all this pollution they cry about ? It's gone accept for countries that refuse to filter their processing plants .

Like I said : As a sideline it suffices . But does it ? How far can a car travel before it has to not only find a charging station . But stay there hours to fully recharge .

Butt the real bottom line is why ? I know there's chaos with the climate . But there always has been . C02 to not contributing to what we see going on. That's made up nonsense .

Finally why are you calling Wind and Solar renewable ? Both turbines and Solar panels can't be re-used and are starting to pile up . Even the Harvard study done by pro green energy professors. Admit that the amount of Land and the amount of energy needed has been grossly under-estimated
Watch Europe this winter : They are in trouble , and are just now realizing that green isn't going to cut it . They are desperate for Gas/oil and coal
So much wrong here.

I'll start off with the storage issue. I assumed in the figures I presented that wind generation only produced energy 15 percent of the time, and I assumed a well-connected power grid. Certainly you can't assume that it would not be windy at any given point of time all over the country? We also have operated wind turbines for many years and have good numbers on how often they generate electricity in the aggregate, and it is roughly 25 to 50 percent of the time. So a 15 percent scale back is actually very conservative.

Bottom line is there's no science I know of where you can make windmills or solar panels . As well as batteries , without using coal /oil and gas .
The energy inputs for wind turbines and solar panels and batteries are nearly all electricity. Unless coal electrons are different from solar electrons (they aren't) it doesn't matter where the energy input comes from.

So you simply can not store up green energy .

Battery costs per watt-hour are halving approximately every four years, and have done so for the last thirty years. Watt-hours per kilogram are also improving at a slower rate. There is no physics reason to believe that won't continue for some decades to come. Batteries have no moving parts except electrons and so are very amenable to being manufactured at scale in automated factories. So there is every reason to believe that even if batteries aren't economically feasible in some applications today, they will very likely be in the near future.

Again I note that halving in cost every four years implies that your costs per watt-hour will be less than 1% of today's in thirty years.

I know there's chaos with the climate . But there always has been . C02 to not contributing to what we see going on. That's made up nonsense .
  1. It has been well-established for over 100 years that CO2 levels in the atmosphere warm the planet, and on the average on time scales of millions of years or less higher CO2 levels are correlated with higher temperatures and vice versa.
  2. We know that CO2 levels have increased dramatically since preindustrial times, and most dramatically in the last thirty years as many parts of the world industrialized.
  3. We know from the isotope mix of atmospheric CO2 that recent increases of CO2 are 100 percent attributable to burning fossil fuels.
  4. We know that 99 percent of the world's glaciers are receding. This is a worldwide phenomenon and the only explanation we have for it is increasing CO2 levels warming the planet.
Which one of those things are wrong? More than one has to be for it to be "made up nonsense".

Finally why are you calling Wind and Solar renewable ? Both turbines and Solar panels can't be re-used and are starting to pile up .

Because all of those things can be recycled. And are in some cases but not yet all.

I'm going to make this calculation brutally simple and explain to you why fossil fuels are screwed in the short term, and likely are screwed in many cases today.
  1. I'll start with an obvious but important observation: the marginal costs of operating solar or wind are far lower than fossil fuels or nuclear. There is no fuel requirements, personnel requirements for operating the facilities are far, far less, and there is far less maintenance. For all practical purposes marginal costs of generating wind are tiny and for solar are pretty close to zero.
  2. Both wind and solar are making remarkable progress reducing costs. Solar power has halved in cost per watt approximately every four years for the last fifty years. There is no reason to believe that those cost trends can't continue for decades to come. There is no imaginable technological pathway for reducing the costs of fossil fuels or nuclear at a comparable velocity.
  3. If you had ten billion dollars to invest in making electricity today you'd invest it in solar or wind. That's because you will start making electricity and selling it sooner (typically less than a year from plonking down money to selling electrons), that's because the cost of the plant is less so you can sell more watt-hours for your ten billion dollars, and also because your operating costs far lower. It is really a no brainer. In fact, it is such a no-brainer that a lot of older fossil fuel and nuclear plants are considered stranded assets because they can't sell electricity at competitive prices.
  4. Finally, and to tie a few pieces together: one risk you run with building a nuclear or fossil fuel plant today is that you will be screwed fifteen or twenty years from now: it is very likely that newer PV solar plant backed up with batteries of comparable scale will generate electricity much cheaper than you can and you will not be able to compete, at all. Whereas since the marginal cost of your existing wind or solar plant is very small and you can compete and keep operating even if electricity is less expensive.
 
I did not, but if it's anything like the folks in Detroit feeling they shouldn't have to pay for water, that water is some sort of basic right, I'm likely gad I didn't.
This one is mostly heating and air-conditioning bills from the collections point of view. Quote 'US households owe about $16 billion in late energy bills, double the pre-pandemic total ... The average balance owed has climbed 97% since 2019, to $792. “
 
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I did not, but if it's anything like the folks in Detroit feeling they shouldn't have to pay for water, that water is some sort of basic right, I'm likely gad I didn't.
Keep in mind that in some parts of the country people do not pay for water and it is considered a basic right. Note that there is considerable political effort in Utah to implement water metering as a measure to save water. If I remember my history (reading Cadillac Desert) at one point water metering was unconstitutional in Utah and Nevada.
 
So much wrong here.

I'll start off with the storage issue. I assumed in the figures I presented that wind generation only produced energy 15 percent of the time, and I assumed a well-connected power grid. Certainly you can't assume that it would not be windy at any given point of time all over the country? We also have operated wind turbines for many years and have good numbers on how often they generate electricity in the aggregate, and it is roughly 25 to 50 percent of the time. So a 15 percent scale back is actually very conservative.


The energy inputs for wind turbines and solar panels and batteries are nearly all electricity. Unless coal electrons are different from solar electrons (they aren't) it doesn't matter where the energy input comes from.



Battery costs per watt-hour are halving approximately every four years, and have done so for the last thirty years. Watt-hours per kilogram are also improving at a slower rate. There is no physics reason to believe that won't continue for some decades to come. Batteries have no moving parts except electrons and so are very amenable to being manufactured at scale in automated factories. So there is every reason to believe that even if batteries aren't economically feasible in some applications today, they will very likely be in the near future.

Again I note that halving in cost every four years implies that your costs per watt-hour will be less than 1% of today's in thirty years.


  1. It has been well-established for over 100 years that CO2 levels in the atmosphere warm the planet, and on the average on time scales of millions of years or less higher CO2 levels are correlated with higher temperatures and vice versa.
  2. We know that CO2 levels have increased dramatically since preindustrial times, and most dramatically in the last thirty years as many parts of the world industrialized.
  3. We know from the isotope mix of atmospheric CO2 that recent increases of CO2 are 100 percent attributable to burning fossil fuels.
  4. We know that 99 percent of the world's glaciers are receding. This is a worldwide phenomenon and the only explanation we have for it is increasing CO2 levels warming the planet.
Which one of those things are wrong? More than one has to be for it to be "made up nonsense".



Because all of those things can be recycled. And are in some cases but not yet all.

I'm going to make this calculation brutally simple and explain to you why fossil fuels are screwed in the short term, and likely are screwed in many cases today.
  1. I'll start with an obvious but important observation: the marginal costs of operating solar or wind are far lower than fossil fuels or nuclear. There is no fuel requirements, personnel requirements for operating the facilities are far, far less, and there is far less maintenance. For all practical purposes marginal costs of generating wind are tiny and for solar are pretty close to zero.
  2. Both wind and solar are making remarkable progress reducing costs. Solar power has halved in cost per watt approximately every four years for the last fifty years. There is no reason to believe that those cost trends can't continue for decades to come. There is no imaginable technological pathway for reducing the costs of fossil fuels or nuclear at a comparable velocity.
  3. If you had ten billion dollars to invest in making electricity today you'd invest it in solar or wind. That's because you will start making electricity and selling it sooner (typically less than a year from plonking down money to selling electrons), that's because the cost of the plant is less so you can sell more watt-hours for your ten billion dollars, and also because your operating costs far lower. It is really a no brainer. In fact, it is such a no-brainer that a lot of older fossil fuel and nuclear plants are considered stranded assets because they can't sell electricity at competitive prices.
  4. Finally, and to tie a few pieces together: one risk you run with building a nuclear or fossil fuel plant today is that you will be screwed fifteen or twenty years from now: it is very likely that newer PV solar plant backed up with batteries of comparable scale will generate electricity much cheaper than you can and you will not be able to compete, at all. Whereas since the marginal cost of your existing wind or solar plant is very small and you can compete and keep operating even if electricity is less expensive.
Yet look at what the Nuclear energy people say and the Gas/oil people say . Which is a totally different prospective . Also consider according to our govt earth has warmed 1.8 Degrees F since 1900 . 1/2 of that since 1970 . Consider this as well The world population has increased by almost 300 million people . That would contribute to some of that temp rise . Is the temp rising because of C02 emissions. According to the Epa it's decreased 7% since 1990 yet the climate is hotter : And since 2005 C02 emissions has decreased 20% . We were told in 2018 that we'd be seeing a steady increase by climate activists . Instead it's been a decline an average of 1.9% yearly . That sorta throws a Monkey wrench into Carbon Based emissions are warming things up. Since Emissions are decreasing and the temps are still rising .. How come ??
As I said earlier I have no issue with gradually reducing Carbons and increasing Green . But that isn't what they are doing . The Politian's who are getting Rich are claiming we have to get rid of Co2 because we only now have 10 years left . But the Science shows C02 isn't causing the temp increase . It all appears to be propaganda. After all before records were kept we have no idea what temps were 200 years ago and before .

It's not the Energy Source changes that are concerning . It's the Lie being put out there that emissions are the root cause . When the science is saying no it's not . Emission is steadily dropping every year. So we really don't know why there's a gradual warming .
I don't know how old you are -But I remember a documentary Leonard Nimoy narrated in I think the 1980's . That clearly stated C02 was sending us into an ice age . Industry's were polluting things . So all of that was worked on since the 1980's to lower pollution .

They want to eliminate using natural oil and gas reserves . Based on what ? A Lie ? Why do they want us on a grid that's already overloaded . A grid that an enemy could easily take us off line . And we have no way to fix ???
 
So much wrong here.

I'll start off with the storage issue. I assumed in the figures I presented that wind generation only produced energy 15 percent of the time, and I assumed a well-connected power grid. Certainly you can't assume that it would not be windy at any given point of time all over the country? We also have operated wind turbines for many years and have good numbers on how often they generate electricity in the aggregate, and it is roughly 25 to 50 percent of the time. So a 15 percent scale back is actually very conservative.


The energy inputs for wind turbines and solar panels and batteries are nearly all electricity. Unless coal electrons are different from solar electrons (they aren't) it doesn't matter where the energy input comes from.



Battery costs per watt-hour are halving approximately every four years, and have done so for the last thirty years. Watt-hours per kilogram are also improving at a slower rate. There is no physics reason to believe that won't continue for some decades to come. Batteries have no moving parts except electrons and so are very amenable to being manufactured at scale in automated factories. So there is every reason to believe that even if batteries aren't economically feasible in some applications today, they will very likely be in the near future.

Again I note that halving in cost every four years implies that your costs per watt-hour will be less than 1% of today's in thirty years.


  1. It has been well-established for over 100 years that CO2 levels in the atmosphere warm the planet, and on the average on time scales of millions of years or less higher CO2 levels are correlated with higher temperatures and vice versa.
  2. We know that CO2 levels have increased dramatically since preindustrial times, and most dramatically in the last thirty years as many parts of the world industrialized.
  3. We know from the isotope mix of atmospheric CO2 that recent increases of CO2 are 100 percent attributable to burning fossil fuels.
  4. We know that 99 percent of the world's glaciers are receding. This is a worldwide phenomenon and the only explanation we have for it is increasing CO2 levels warming the planet.
Which one of those things are wrong? More than one has to be for it to be "made up nonsense".



Because all of those things can be recycled. And are in some cases but not yet all.

I'm going to make this calculation brutally simple and explain to you why fossil fuels are screwed in the short term, and likely are screwed in many cases today.
  1. I'll start with an obvious but important observation: the marginal costs of operating solar or wind are far lower than fossil fuels or nuclear. There is no fuel requirements, personnel requirements for operating the facilities are far, far less, and there is far less maintenance. For all practical purposes marginal costs of generating wind are tiny and for solar are pretty close to zero.
  2. Both wind and solar are making remarkable progress reducing costs. Solar power has halved in cost per watt approximately every four years for the last fifty years. There is no reason to believe that those cost trends can't continue for decades to come. There is no imaginable technological pathway for reducing the costs of fossil fuels or nuclear at a comparable velocity.
  3. If you had ten billion dollars to invest in making electricity today you'd invest it in solar or wind. That's because you will start making electricity and selling it sooner (typically less than a year from plonking down money to selling electrons), that's because the cost of the plant is less so you can sell more watt-hours for your ten billion dollars, and also because your operating costs far lower. It is really a no brainer. In fact, it is such a no-brainer that a lot of older fossil fuel and nuclear plants are considered stranded assets because they can't sell electricity at competitive prices.
  4. Finally, and to tie a few pieces together: one risk you run with building a nuclear or fossil fuel plant today is that you will be screwed fifteen or twenty years from now: it is very likely that newer PV solar plant backed up with batteries of comparable scale will generate electricity much cheaper than you can and you will not be able to compete, at all. Whereas since the marginal cost of your existing wind or solar plant is very small and you can compete and keep operating even if electricity is less expensive.
You’re wasting your breath. I see articles almost every day about incremental improvements in solar, wind, storage, small scale nuclear And even in the software modeling. The regular incremental improvements are happening far more quickly than the evolution of ICE. Here is an article I saw yesterday
 
We are clearly not using the same source of scientific information.
I will stick with the 95% of world scientists and meteorologists :)

Feel free to stick with the conspiracy theorists.
I think I'd better stick with Threads Mr. Mikes frequents . He at least has common sense . 95% of scientists ?? Don't you mean the 95% that have an evolutionary worldview out of 150 Govt Funded Scientists ?? Yeah that's the Group. Besides I gave you the stats from the EPA . Are they not govt funded scientists ?? Seriously that's your whole rebuttal ?? You don't even understand what I'm saying . And calling stuff conspiracy is childish. Since 98% of what was called Conspiracy about Covid turns out was True . 100% of what was called conspiracy about Islam in American turns out is true .
Plus you aren't listening to scientists when you follow this green energy stuff . Your sources aren't Govt . They are companies with Salesmen and engineers trying to justify the 50 billion we gave their company of our tax dollars . Which isn't even what I am disputing . I never said green energy was a bad thing .

But it sure as hell isn't ready to take over for natural gas . Anyone who thinks that is , well lets be nice and say . Not understanding very well if at all .
You're making a comment that actually shows you didn't read anything in the thread . You disagree because your buddy here did .

Fact : We should see a reduction of C02 Emissions : We've spent billions and billions of dollars and subsidies for the purpose of reducing it and the planet has went up 1/2 of 1.8% Increase in 122 years ?? Despite falling emissions ?? SO emissions are 1/2 what they were 50 years ago and the temps still went up ?? Not due to emissions they didn't . Could it be almost 300 million bodies at an average 98.7 degrees ?? Aaah to some degree /

If the Climate activists really believe in Climate issues caused by C02 . WHy did they fly 400 Private Jets in Scotland for their annual CC conference . They didn't even share jets . Plus they rode stretch limos to the building it was held at. The leading activist Al Gore is so fat that when his hair piece blew off . He had to pay someone to retrieve it because he's to fat to bend over and pick it up. FAT off our money .. LOL And that's who you trust? The Obamers , Bidens Clintons Prince Pedo Charles etc // :) Good luck
 
Setting aside the bloody nonsense of the climate cultural wars, listen to the dollars.

Here in Australia there is zero business appetite for new coal power plants (and even less for nuclear). Existing coal plants are being dramatically written off and decommission dates brought forward by years, to be replaced by massive battery storage. This despite a decade of zero Federal leadership on the issue. We're seeing a strong push for divestment in fossil fuel investments from several of our major superannuation funds as well.

We can argue fringe science till the cows come home but fact is business is abandoning fossil fuels rapidly because the market case just isn't there anymore. A hybrid solar/wind/battery plant can deliver power reliably and cheaper than coal. That's all the market cares about.
 
Setting aside the bloody nonsense of the climate cultural wars, listen to the dollars.

Here in Australia there is zero business appetite for new coal power plants (and even less for nuclear). Existing coal plants are being dramatically written off and decommission dates brought forward by years, to be replaced by massive battery storage. This despite a decade of zero Federal leadership on the issue. We're seeing a strong push for divestment in fossil fuel investments from several of our major superannuation funds as well.

We can argue fringe science till the cows come home but fact is business is abandoning fossil fuels rapidly because the market case just isn't there anymore. A hybrid solar/wind/battery plant can deliver power reliably and cheaper than coal. That's all the market cares about.
Follow the money. A bit of warming is a good thing historically after a certain concentration the warming effects of CO2 get smaller, my skin tells Me the sun is more radiant than it used to be, is it possible that we cannot be told the whole story? sort of like the UAP fiasco?
 
There are already exceptions, yes it is possible to make solar cells from more mundane material, whether it is worthwhile or not is the question, same with windmills, other than the environmental upset , Hydro seems to be pretty cost effective( after all it is deferred solar)
Hydro? We certainly can’t count on that. There are factions trying to force the removal of dams in Washington State. Fortunately, even our idiot governor is speaking up against it though. I guess that’s because his political career is already near its end anyway, so he’s not afraid to say what he’s really thinking.

This next link probably deserves its its own post, but I’ll just leave it here. Yeah, let’s go with electric cars EXCLUSIVELY!
 
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