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[Rossterman]

I live in the oil patch with a gas transfer plant less than a mile away.

It has flared off over 20 times this year.

No one drills for propane and it is a biproduct of NG processing and crude oil refining. If it wasn't used it would have to be flared off.

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Propane is a cut of natural gas. You need a gas processing unit (a refinery/distillation column, or fractionator to separate the various components. Gas transfer plants typically only remove entrained water to prevent moisture from freezing. In west texas gas gathering system construction is well behind the times. In many locations, with no pipeline nearby, they reinject it into the ground.
you might live near a plant but I worked in the oil indistry for 40 years including upstream (drilling and completions, midstream, and downstream refining (at every one of our US and int’l plants.

The fact that you say they flare 20x a year just reinforces my point. That you are not allowed to continuously flare. If someone is doing it 20 times a year, they may have an allowable discharge limit Giving them some leeway.

as to texas’ freak weather and design flaw in critical supply systems, it is what it is. I suspect they are already working on a remedy. And that’s why most home generators are capable on running 3 fuel types.

 

[Mulezen]

Texas doesn’t seem to working on much but demonizing their wind resources. Their grid system is a mess as is their zoning laws (non existent). ‘Freak’ weather has hit them how many times recently?

 

[pmcdonald]

Texas doesn’t seem to working on much but demonizing their wind resources. Their grid system is a mess as is their zoning laws (non existent). ‘Freak’ weather has hit them how many times recently?

Didn't that whole clustertruck result in large part from the states unwillingness to connect to the national (or at least neighbouring) power grid? Independence is nice and all, up to the point where hundreds die from a government's stubbornness.

 

[Mulezen]

Yes, that’s part of it I believe (from memory), it’s also political with entrenched interests on the power commission (Oil)
They’ve had more power issues since with the climate change yo-yo of heat and cold. But its a Republican talking point there that climate change is a liberal ruse.

 

[Comfortably Numb]

True things usually are hurtful . I can see the climate storms and flooding is getting way more intense . But then you read about all this cloud seeding and how it's used as a weapon . one has to wonder is that what happened in Pakistan ? 1/3 of the country is underwater . Besides the reason I know all of this Climate Change is nonsense being used to control us ? Take a look at Davos and the WEF . They tell us the Oceans are rising at alarming rates . When they are buying up Beach front Property. I agree that the climate is getting much more violent . However, It's not caused by C02 . If it was wouldn't the thing that would stop C02 emissions the fastest be to eliminate Carbon footprints ?? I mean the kind that have arms and legs

Whaaat?? Man, that hurt real bad too. Wow. CN

 

[Mulezen]

The Scientific Method is lost on him

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Only problem with all your equations. Just like with evolution ,it only works on paper . . Your problem with renewables is you can't store wind or Solar power . It also isn't a 24 hr a day power source. If areas where rain occurs for 2 weeks -2 months or in areas where it's cloudy and cold for months what then ? In a perfect situation Green energy takes a 1000 times the space to provide the same energy fuels and coal does . Plus like I said you can't store it in reserves for just in case .
Bottom line is there's no science I know of where you can make windmills or solar panels . As well as batteries , without using coal /oil and gas .
It's not the green I have a problem with . It's destroying the old current way before the new way is perfected . And seriously for what purpose ? The planet whether you believe it's dying or not can't be stopped by what is being proposed .
Musk stated awhile that one of his plants at the current production rate . Would have to produce batteries at a rate of 500 daily for 100 years . Do supply energy for just 1 Winter . For a city the size of NJ. Plus a battery made today that sat around being stored for just a few years would be worthless. So you simply can not store up green energy .
We also know that windmills fall apart after 15 years max. They also kill 100's of birds everyday they spin .

And for what purpose ? Where is all this pollution they cry about ? It's gone accept for countries that refuse to filter their processing plants .

Like I said : As a sideline it suffices . But does it ? How far can a car travel before it has to not only find a charging station . But stay there hours to fully recharge .

Butt the real bottom line is why ? I know there's chaos with the climate . But there always has been . C02 to not contributing to what we see going on. That's made up nonsense .

Finally why are you calling Wind and Solar renewable ? Both turbines and Solar panels can't be re-used and are starting to pile up . Even the Harvard study done by pro green energy professors. Admit that the amount of Land and the amount of energy needed has been grossly under-estimated
Watch Europe this winter : They are in trouble , and are just now realizing that green isn't going to cut it . They are desperate for Gas/oil and coal

Wow....Do just make this all up as you go along? For example...Europe is desperate because their usual access to gas and oil is being hindered. This is different from the norm. Nobody said their Green was ready to support things.
CO2 not contributing? Wow.
I gotta go now. Sheesh. CN

 

[Comfortably Numb]

When I was a kid in the 70's . A clear cloudless sky had a grey cast to it . Today 50 years down the road . It's as blue as blue can be. Where is this pollution ? Because C02 isn't harming anything . In fact the world is greener then it's ever been :

WOW.

 

[Comfortably Numb]

How do you store power ?? You can convert it and store it . But the problem with that is you loose 25% converting it back. That's the whole issue in a nutshell . Renewable energy is a Bull S term to deceive people . After all what is renewable ? A: You can't store the wind or the Sun . B: Power can't be stored only converted C: Solar panels and wind turbine blades can't be reused and they are creating a problem for disposal already . Imagine 20 years from now .

I seriously don't believe for a second that people who work on this for their living believe what they are dishing out to the populous . I seriously think they know like we can see it doesn't work . But if they can spin it long enough they can reduce life as we know it and get rid of many of us . That has been their desire since the first King and queen . The peasants are to costly . Keep enough to do our work and feed us . Then kill the rest . Fossil Fuels caused them to lose that control and the populations exploded .

Sounds conspiratorial , but isn't that exactly what this is leading to ?

WOW.

 

[Comfortably Numb]

So there we go ... great example ... so even in the with driest desert you could pump compressed air to run off shore wind generators to produce electricity at night . No batteries or even water storage required. Just testing funding engineering marketing social acceptance government permitting materials shipping installing and lots more funding. Rinse and repeat.

We will need all the wind hydro solar and batteries we can get even if we limit ourselves to a few hours of peak production every day. And stogy old batteries are the new hot new technology for the decade or even for the new century.

So....air compresses itself? Great. CN

 

[Comfortably Numb]

LOL Seriously though Renewable energy isn't even renewable. What exactly is being renewed ? Technically the wind doesn't blow everyday and nor does the sun shine daily . You can't reuse the process or the equipment used for solar and wind . So what is it that's renewed ?? Only thing I can see that keeps renewing daily is the SPIN
It's also coming out that most of the flooding and droughts are being caused by man himself . With the idea of seeding clouds and filling the skies with ash . They are doing this alot . It causes the snow to burn if you light it with a match . Sounds crazy but try it this winter . Shocked me as well

WOW

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Betting you have, but just in case, have you seen the projects playing with wave and tidal action? No not here today, but I would consider them both to be "renewable" as the term is used today. Both showing a lot of potential....

Pointless trying to explain this. The guy doesn't know what renewable refers to. Just read the inane posts
CN

 

[Comfortably Numb]

The real energy we should be working on is nuclear . It's by far the least expensive . We have the safe guards and technology .

About the best sense you've made all thread, except humans are involved to screw up the safeguards.

Very little can't be reused .

Right up until the above statement. That's the problem with nuclear. CN

 

[Comfortably Numb]

No body agrees with me ?? I mean this with no offense . As a kid , a third grader . Our history teacher told the class never to follow along with what the crowd believes is the best way . As history itself shows us that whatever the masses are convinced of. Has always turned out to be the wrong thing . He said the proof of that is public opinion changes constantly . And is , and I quote him. Never based on intelligent facts and evidence . Because you just can't educate the masses . They daydream every 20 seconds .
So based on Mr. Clark's advice . Nobody agrees is a Good thing Just saying
In my short life span I can point out the masses believed based on what they were told . We'd enter a new ice age by 2000. Then it went to Y2K , 9/11 means Islam means peace , Global warming , and finally Carbon we all exhale is destroying the planet's atmosphere . OOOH yeah Russia is the 2nd most dangerous thing on the planet.
Just saying . None of those things were true and before it was proven they were wrong . Most by a vast majority believed it . I mean come on today the masses believe that there are many genders . That a man exists who bares children and lactates .

WOW. I wish my 3rd grade teacher was so worldly. Why was he wasting his time teaching 8 year olds?
CN

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Yet look at what the Nuclear energy people say and the Gas/oil people say . Which is a totally different prospective . Also consider according to our govt earth has warmed 1.8 Degrees F since 1900 . 1/2 of that since 1970 . Consider this as well The world population has increased by almost 300 million people . That would contribute to some of that temp rise . Is the temp rising because of C02 emissions. According to the Epa it's decreased 7% since 1990 yet the climate is hotter : And since 2005 C02 emissions has decreased 20% . We were told in 2018 that we'd be seeing a steady increase by climate activists . Instead it's been a decline an average of 1.9% yearly . That sorta throws a Monkey wrench into Carbon Based emissions are warming things up. Since Emissions are decreasing and the temps are still rising .. How come ??
As I said earlier I have no issue with gradually reducing Carbons and increasing Green . But that isn't what they are doing . The Politian's who are getting Rich are claiming we have to get rid of Co2 because we only now have 10 years left . But the Science shows C02 isn't causing the temp increase . It all appears to be propaganda. After all before records were kept we have no idea what temps were 200 years ago and before .

It's not the Energy Source changes that are concerning . It's the Lie being put out there that emissions are the root cause . When the science is saying no it's not . Emission is steadily dropping every year. So we really don't know why there's a gradual warming .
I don't know how old you are -But I remember a documentary Leonard Nimoy narrated in I think the 1980's . That clearly stated C02 was sending us into an ice age . Industry's were polluting things . So all of that was worked on since the 1980's to lower pollution .

They want to eliminate using natural oil and gas reserves . Based on what ? A Lie ? Why do they want us on a grid that's already overloaded . A grid that an enemy could easily take us off line . And we have no way to fix ???

WOW again. Geez. I'd give you some pearls of what you're not understanding but I really can't be bothered, nor do I have the time nor the patience. It's clear it would be lost on you. CN

 

[kevinmccune]

I've read and watched many a video that seems to show that cloud seeding (A Real thing) is putting a chemical in the atmosphere that is slowly poisonings us. People claim it's conspiracy . LOL . When it's common knowledge they have been cloud seeding for years . They probably didn't know to begin with that this harms the atmosphere and basically burns us. But now they do know it they cover it up because it's to late .
After all look at Wildlife . We've lost over 70% of Land Sea and air creatures since 1977. Most of that is in the last 10 years . Or actually since around 2009 . This is no secret . Anyone can google mass extinction of Wildlife . Again they they cover up the likely idea that we are causing this ourselves . Instead they blame it on C02 ? Think about how silly it is to believe C02 is harming things . Every oxygen breathing creature on the planet exhales C02 . Every plant Tree weed or whatever absorbs the C02 and release the oxygen we need . When C02 levels get to high or higher the planet becomes greener . I learn that in Grade School .

During certain phases, plants can emit CO2 most of the oxygen in the atmosphere was emitted by cyanobacteria, watch what happens when algae grows on a service it emits a lot of gas, it gets the carbon it needs from the atmosphere in the form of CO2. The Navy has actually made jet fuel from the air( they will not admit it, there seems to be some rather odd looking aircraft that is occasionally seen on the rural routes the Navy uses for training, they are silent- maybe doing away with the combustion part?) The advanced propulsion systems are classified at a level above Nuclear weapons, this stuff is such a game changer it cannot even be admitted because warfare as we know it will be obsolete.

 

[kevinmccune]

Propane is a cut of natural gas. You need a gas processing unit (a refinery/distillation column, or fractionator to separate the various components. Gas transfer plants typically only remove entrained water to prevent moisture from freezing. In west texas gas gathering system construction is well behind the times. In many locations, with no pipeline nearby, they reinject it into the ground.
you might live near a plant but I worked in the oil indistry for 40 years including upstream (drilling and completions, midstream, and downstream refining (at every one of our US and int’l plants.

The fact that you say they flare 20x a year just reinforces my point. That you are not allowed to continuously flare. If someone is doing it 20 times a year, they may have an allowable discharge limit Giving them some leeway.

as to texas’ freak weather and design flaw in critical supply systems, it is what it is. I suspect they are already working on a remedy. And that’s why most home generators are capable on running 3 fuel types.

Isn't there some Hydrogen Sulfide in flare gas" If I had a large backup generator it would run on Propane no fuel storage degradation problems, however, if you develop a leak your fuel supply will escape.

So....air compresses itself? Great. CN

SO to speak around 14.7 psi at sea level

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Keep in mind that in some parts of the country people do not pay for water and it is considered a basic right.

Yup. Where I'm from and where I live water has always been a token amount on your annual property taxes, or on a monthly utility bill with garbage pickup and recycling.
Where I am from, all new construction now must have a water meter installed. Say what you will, but a single person living in a small apartment, on metered water and paying only for his/her/he/her/other/it/whatever's own consumption is much fairer than subsidizing multi-person family's consumption, showering, watering lawns, watering gardens, filling pools, etc. The community has to pay for building, maintaining and upgrading their infrastructure even in a place where a river runs right by for easy access. Paying for your own consumption, when you think it should be free, is ridiculous. At worst, the high consumers might think a little about reducing their use when paying out of pocket. CN

 

[Comfortably Numb]

Funny how these green guys whole debate tactic is to put you on ignore lol . It is remarkable how so many that appear to be fairly smart are so devoid of basic common sense . And definitely don't like to be challenged or corrected . They spout out impressive figures , until they are put in context along side everything else . It's a shame there can't be intelligent conversation with the other side . There used to be

So no intelligence on either side then? OK.
CN

 

[AHicks]

Yup. Where I'm from and where I live water has always been a token amount on your annual property taxes, or on a monthly utility bill with garbage pickup and recycling.
Where I am from, all new construction now must have a water meter installed. Say what you will, but a single person living in a small apartment, on metered water and paying only for his/her/he/her/other/it/whatever's own consumption is much fairer than subsidizing multi-person family's consumption, showering, watering lawns, watering gardens, filling pools, etc. The community has to pay for building, maintaining and upgrading their infrastructure even in a place where a river runs right by for easy access. Paying for your own consumption, when you think it should be free, is ridiculous. At worst, the high consumers might think a little about reducing their use when paying out of pocket. CN

SOMEBODY has to pay for that infrastructure. Building it, maintaining it, and updating it as required (thinking lead pipes here). That's not free. I'm paying my share, I would think it only fair that you should pay your share as well....

If your locality wants to wrap those costs up into a local fee (city/county taxes for instance) that's fine. Works for me! But to say it's free, or it should be free (a basic right), is pushing reality a bit I think. There's no way that going to work well for very long.