Electric Car thread

EMGX said:
C'mon man! Don't be so impractical. I'm holding out for this accessory to allow for rapid charging virtually anywhere in the country. No lightning? - just run it over any high tension power line available.
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Usually not a good idea to get a first year model. You should wait for the upgraded model powered by Mr Fusion. Doc Brown was supposed to have it ready by 2015. But I guess maybe we are in the wrong timeline...


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Taylor57 said:
Yeah, I miss the Macan. Dont miss the 1000 dollar oil changes though! Or the 6 dollar gas....
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Maybe you can have your Porsche Macan back without that $1k oil change charge...

GOODBYE GAS

Major automaker confirms it will completely abandon gas car after unveiling it’s first-ever electric SUV​

The famous manufacturer has electrified one of its models​

By M.A. Loreto of the US Sun. Published: 17:53 ET, Jan 26 2024

A LUXURY carmaker has confirmed the release of an EV model that'll replace the original gas version. The news were shared this week, with the new vehicle expected to enter production in the latter half of 2024.

Porsche has announced their electric Macan SUV. It's the first time when the brand has electrified one of its models, reports The Verge. The gas version of the Macan will remain for sale for the next couple of years, but the carmaker is preparing to phase it out. Starting 2026, the gas-run Macan will no longer be available for sale from Porsche.
 
Just bought the wife a C3 at a Kia showroom.
It's full of some amazing looking KIA EVs.
Firstly the sales guy told me they are all from Russia no less, and no one's buying them.
He said the depreciation is so bad that they have to charge more for a two year old on finance than you pay to buy it new.
They had a Peugeot 2008 EV, 37 grand new, two years old, 15 grand and no one wants it
 
Chargeride said:
Just bought the wife a C3 at a Kia showroom.
It's full of some amazing looking KIA EVs.
Firstly the sales guy told me they are all from Russia no less, and no one's buying them.
He said the depreciation is so bad that they have to charge more for a two year old on finance than you pay to buy it new.
They had a Peugeot 2008 EV, 37 grand new, two years old, 15 grand and no one wants it
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Are you saying all the Kia EVs are from Russia?
 
Chargeride said:
Just bought the wife a C3 at a Kia showroom.
It's full of some amazing looking KIA EVs.
Firstly the sales guy told me they are all from Russia no less, and no one's buying them.
He said the depreciation is so bad that they have to charge more for a two year old on finance than you pay to buy it new.
They had a Peugeot 2008 EV, 37 grand new, two years old, 15 grand and no one wants it
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And you trusted this guy? My experience with salesmen says they often know squat about anything, including the cars on the dealership lot. They are the best spreaders of misinformation alongside social media.

Saw a big ol' boxy Kia SUV van plugged into the free Level 2 charging unit at the grocery store yesterday. Ugliest thing ever. Have no idea the model, but it was a BEV, not a plug-in hybrid. Couldn't imagine why anyone would want to buy something that ugly unless they had 7 kids and were determined to drive only an ev.

Saw a Lucid earlier that morning on the freeway. Gorgeous car with an elegance that literally screamed money. Now that's a car I could easily see myself driving. Wish the company wasn't struggling at the moment because I would be severely tempted to get one.
 
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In defense of my EV and my range anxiety due to charging issues that have been discussed ad nauseum, it's pretty awesome to have zero maintenance costs for over 2 years of ownership. No fluid changes, belts etc. No trips to gas stations. I think this is probably my last car. (I did put on 4 new tires-the stock tires were hard as a rock)
 
I envy you not having to make any more trips to the gas station. I still have to go for gas and diesel for the small and large tractors. Sucks that battery garden tractors and zero turns still aren't ready for prime time beyond the suburban landscape. For farm use they just aren't capable as yet. They are still making the newest battery garden tractors with those little bitty batteries. If I could outfit one with a marine battery, I'd be in heaven. Easy to recharge using a solar panel, or a plug in battery tender.
 
Readytoride said:
And you trusted this guy? My experience with salesmen says they often know squat about anything, including the cars on the dealership lot. They are the best spreaders of misinformation alongside social media.
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Porsche and german car fanboys like to think their brand is beyond reproach, but in my experience car salesman of every single brand (Porsche, Mercedes, BMW etc.) lie and spread verifiably false misinformation. It's a slimy industry.
 
Chargeride said:
Firstly the sales guy told me they are all from Russia no less, and no one's buying them.
He said the depreciation is so bad that they have to charge more for a two year old on finance than you pay to buy it new.
They had a Peugeot 2008 EV, 37 grand new, two years old, 15 grand and no one wants it
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Someone is confused.

If a 2 yo vehicle on finance costs more than a new one, there are explanations that make a LOT more sense than the sales guys fuzzy logic:

Used prices were elevated due to supply issues and the moron still hasn't caught up?
Or, more likely, manufacturer / govt discounts for buying an EV are MORE than the depreciation on a 2 yo EV.

As for the Peugeot - it's a compact SUV , marketed at fashion conscious young people who think they can afford to make a statement in vehicle choice, and the company vehicle was on a 12 month lease because HR knew they'd be jumping between employers twice within that t8me frame..... Think boutique handbags or fashion clothes donated to homeless people. Nobody pays 50% of new retail for 2 yo fashion items. More importantly, no self respecting spoilt bratt wants to be driving a 2 year old EV ! Unfortunately, no 60 yo environmentally aware couple wants to try contorting their old bodies into it, either.
 
BTW , I'm back here again trying to see if there is an EV yet that can tow a 2 tonne boat up a ramp then 50 metres to where it is parked. But not be some massive ego statement
 
PDoz said:
BTW , I'm back here again trying to see if there is an EV yet that can tow a 2 tonne boat up a ramp then 50 metres to where it is parked. But not be some massive ego statement
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There is. It's a Rivian. My R1T can pull 11,000 lbs. (Apparently 1,000 lbs more towing capacity than a Ford Lightening)
 
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Readytoride said:
There is. It's a Rivian. My R1T can pull 11,000 lbs. (Apparently 1,000 lbs more towing capacity than a Ford Lightening)
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Unfortunately a few years away from Australia , and possibly a bit bigger than I want. I currently use a ford ranger for dragging the boat and dislike the relatively long wheelbase / turning circle. We live rural, but some tighter 4x4 tracks are hard to negotiate
 
PDoz said:
Unfortunately a few years away from Australia , and possibly a bit bigger than I want. I currently use a ford ranger for dragging the boat and dislike the relatively long wheelbase / turning circle. We live rural, but some tighter 4x4 tracks are hard to negotiate
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Sorry. Forgot the international scope of this forum. Yeah, Rivian is still US based, and I assume will be for quite some time. It is 6 inches (15.1 cm) longer than the Ranger, but shorter than an F150.

Supposedly a Tesla Model X can tow 5,500 lbs.
 
AvalancheRun said:
Porsche and german car fanboys like to think their brand is beyond reproach, but in my experience car salesman of every single brand (Porsche, Mercedes, BMW etc.) lie and spread verifiably false misinformation. It's a slimy industry.
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I wasnt buying anything and he's very much in favour of EVs, he was actually lamenting the disinterest, the reason it's more expensive is because the finance company are covering the increased risk of payment default.
They are obliged to fill the showroom with EVs, they are great eye candy, but haven't sold a single one in three weeks, and that was a little micro car version.
 
The KIA EV9 is huge in person, amazing looking car, the pictures don't do it justice, all black is the best colour in my opinion, completely out of my price range, completely throws the notion of saving the planet out of the window and my social interaction trend is not to drive such in your face exhibitionism of success.
 
Yesterday, I had a chance to check out Electrify America’s flagship location in SF. It has twenty 350 kW plugs, two lounge areas, a family restroom and an onsite security guard. I don’t DCFC much but this was the best experience as far as public charging. When I came in there were 3 open spots and by the time I left, there were 5 open spots. This is the type of charging solution that urban apartment dwellers can benefit from. I hope to see more of these in the more crowded metro areas.

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