E-bikes under fire as fatalities climb in NYC

I wish to remind all that the natural form of government of all human history is dictatorship. Every democracy of history devolved either into a dictatorship or was wiped out by their enemies.

No, just no.

The natural form of "government" in human history has been egalitarian hunter-gatherer bands with a nominal leader who had few powers except persuasion. There was no material wealth and bands were in a continuous state of warfare with their neighbors over territory, women, and perceived personal slights (mostly about territory or women). There was also no medical care and people lived nasty, brutish, and short lives. Most women continuously pregnant after puberty and usually died during childbirth before they were 20. Most children died before their fifth year.

My point is that whatever the "natural" state of humanity is, most of us would not care to live in that state, and the ones that do would not live in that state for very long.
 
No, just no.

The natural form of "government" in human history has been egalitarian hunter-gatherer bands with a nominal leader who had few powers except persuasion. There was no material wealth and bands were in a continuous state of warfare with their neighbors over territory, women, and perceived personal slights (mostly about territory or women). There was also no medical care and people lived nasty, brutish, and short lives. Most women continuously pregnant after puberty and usually died during childbirth before they were 20. Most children died before their fifth year.

My point is that whatever the "natural" state of humanity is, most of us would not care to live in that state, and the ones that do would not live in that state for very long.
You make interesting points but I'm speaking in terms of recorded history. Hunter/Gatherer tribes aren't really in our picture so much any more. Even THOUGH they continued on into modern times in the New World and Africa and do indeed today. I guess I should have been clearer on that.
 
Hey,
Anyone seen this today? It was at a charity ride school fund raiser. Clusters of cyclists were mowed down when the driver crossed the road to hit them head on. The cyclists were riding by the curb in their direction. https://www.the-sun.com/news/3116932/six-bike-bluff-cyclists-critically-injured-truck-shot-police/
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Hey,
Anyone seen this today? It was at a charity ride school fund raiser. Clusters of cyclists were mowed down. https://www.the-sun.com/news/3116932/six-bike-bluff-cyclists-critically-injured-truck-shot-police/
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Tragic! I suppose what we are seeing is the after affects of mentally unwell people acting out after the confinements of the last many months. If you look at the scandal rags like UK Daily Mail the murder and mayhem seems to be literally rampant. Or ... you could suppose evil is spreading across the globe.
 
I have suffered through several depressions( didn't know at the time what they were)Chemicals didn't cause them conditions did. These Days I choose to be happy and its not because I have an abundance of certain Chemicals( natural) in my brain, I have arrived at the place in my life where I understand "Man" is a 3 phase creature-mental, physical and spiritual.
If all crimes and such were caused by deficiencies or overabundance of certain "Brain chemicals" we would be guilty of nothing, cured by simply gobbling the prerequisite amount of certain shaped and colored pills.
I understand my time here is limited and striving to create some positive things around Me, its my sincerest hope when the "Book of Life" is opened my name is in there.
Exactly. The narrative that depression is a brain disease is, IMHO, entirely fatuous.

SSRIs are drugs like Prozac, Paxil, and Celexa. I am not entirely against them, but I do think they are even more dangerous than many drugs that are frequently abused-- like Xanax or Valium-- which can now be monitored more closely through physician database monitoring systems that were not available when tranquilizers got their bad reputation. Benzos can still dangerous, but much less so for those who don't drink or use recreational drugs, IMHO. SSRIs just affect people in really strange and unpredictable ways, and can have permanent side effects that don't remit when the drug is stopped. I'm not intending to give medical advice here-- and I have, on rare occasions and against all expectations, seen SSRIs work wonders, usually in folks with traumatic brain injury-- but I was trying to make a larger, more convoluted point about the difficulties of risk assessment. Sorry about that... my train of thought was a bit elliptical.
Tragic! I suppose what we are seeing is the after affects of mentally unwell people acting out after the confinements of the last many months. If you look at the scandal rags like UK Daily Mail the murder and mayhem seems to be literally rampant. Or ... you could suppose evil is spreading across the globe.
I believe methamphetamine was found in the driver's blood. But I also believe that there has been an explosion of mental health problems since the start of the pandemic. As a clinician, the strategy I chose was actually to reduce my caseload, both because I wanted to adapt to telehealth but also because I anticipated that I would be seeing bizarre disorders that we may never have seen before, and I do think that's kind of what's happening. It was frustrating to be seeing fewer people when there were more that needed help, but I was worried about burnout -- and here again, Survivor and Seeker really helped me keep my head screwed on straight!

Mostly, what I notice is an increase in people's ability to believe things that cannot possibly true, and it's actually very frightening. On a bad day, it's easy to feel like the fabric of humanity itself is unraveling-- so yes, Reed, in a sense, that is a kind of 'evil' spreading across the globe.

E-biking has really helped me manage the stress. And when I've had patients who feel they can't leave the house even when it's safe to do so-- this weird inertia where people felt they couldn't go out even with a mask when the streets are empty-- I do ask them if they have a bicycle or have tried an e-bike.

Often what I hear is, "There's no place to ride." I have been known to pull up a map in a session, look at a client's address, and ask them if they've ever ridden to a park or recreation center that's within 5 miles of where they live. The answer is almost always "no," and when clients do pump up the tires and start riding around, they are usually very grateful I nudged them a little bit.

I have to be careful, though. I've also had to call a client back and say, "Uh, let's revise that plan. I think the route we chose takes you through an oil refinery, and that big brown patch on the map is actually flooded."
 
Well, we all know that all cars and trucks are more dangerous to ebikes than even cargo ebikes are to pedestrians. But that incident in Arizona might not be an accident, that might be some kind of road rage.
 
Well, we all know that all cars and trucks are more dangerous to ebikes than even cargo ebikes are to pedestrians. But that incident in Arizona might not be an accident, that might be some kind of road rage.
Yeah, to get back to the original topic 113 pedestrians were killed by cars in NYC in 2020. E-bikes will never manage that body count.
 
Sounds like a lot. But IDK the numbers city by city. What seems to be the issue in NYC is delivery bikes, and I can't see those going away. London is full of them, too. And they keep the restaurants alive, otherwise there would just be more empty storefronts.
 
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Hopefully everyone recovers quickly. If someone doesn’t, he’ll be a prime candidate to help break-in Arizona’s newly refurbished gas chamber.
 
After reading all too many posts on this board by people who like to ride fast, some even always in turbo, I don't think the NYP is that far off base. The unfortunate fact is that a pretty big subset of ebike riders have them for the speed. Even class 1 at full speed would be like a missile in a crowded city like NYC. So what's so bad about getting ebikes off the bike lanes in NYC?

For the record, I live, and ride, in a rural area. No bike paths. No bike lanes. No pedestrians. Even so, I only use my motor for hill climbing, and never use power at speeds above about 10 MPH, but then, I ride to enjoy the ride and the view.
Good for you, you're the best. I guess i'll go and get rid of my bike so I can be a better man and follow your example.
 
Back on topic with NYC. If a detail of police such as the mounted police were on eBikes they would be in the mix and flow at street level. Just knowing that there were these police would have a chilling affect on bad behavior. It would provide huge mobility advantages over patrol cars. They could go through plazas and parks, get ahead of gridlock to an active seen to stabilize a situation or to direct traffic. Jumping curbs and cutting down a sidewalk when needed to arrive as first responders. Back up cars could have spare batteries and charging ports in support. NYC could do a low cost pilot program to see how it works in Central Park. It is easier to park a bike than a car or horse. And they cost less per mile.
 
Hey I recognize the photo in your profile - USS Normandy alongside the pier in Norfolk. If I haven’t lost my memory haha.
Right you are, my Preachers son used to be the Captain of the USS Normandy( He's an Admiral now) Admiral . Scott Robinson, we got a tour of the ship that day, amazingly powered by a "Gas Turbine" these warships are some serious things.
 
Back on topic with NYC. If a detail of police such as the mounted police were on eBikes they would be in the mix and flow at street level. Just knowing that there were these police would have a chilling affect on bad behavior. It would provide huge mobility advantages over patrol cars. They could go through plazas and parks, get ahead of gridlock to an active seen to stabilize a situation or to direct traffic. Jumping curbs and cutting down a sidewalk when needed to arrive as first responders. Back up cars could have spare batteries and charging ports in support. NYC could do a low cost pilot program to see how it works in Central Park. It is easier to park a bike than a car or horse. And they cost less per mile.
I think that's a marvelous idea.
 
No, just no.

The natural form of "government" in human history has been egalitarian hunter-gatherer bands with a nominal leader who had few powers except persuasion. There was no material wealth and bands were in a continuous state of warfare with their neighbors over territory, women, and perceived personal slights (mostly about territory or women). There was also no medical care and people lived nasty, brutish, and short lives. Most women continuously pregnant after puberty and usually died during childbirth before they were 20. Most children died before their fifth year.

My point is that whatever the "natural" state of humanity is, most of us would not care to live in that state, and the ones that do would not live in that state for very long.
Neither would I, as a Child in Appalachia things were pretty tight at times the nasty footprints the Rats would leave on the toilet seat when poo froze enough to let them crawl up from the pit, the carried water wasn't really all that clean either, and things like that when it got below zero F the plants would freeze in the house when the fires got low.
To quote Dickenson" It was the best of times and the worst of times".
Thank God our conditions are not like that now, on the other hand, another "Carrington event" would put most of us back in the same condition again.
 
:) Some forum sites have off topic forums, and political forums, because off topic is sometimes the norm more than the exception.
 
Back on topic with NYC. If a detail of police such as the mounted police were on eBikes they would be in the mix and flow at street level. Just knowing that there were these police would have a chilling affect on bad behavior. It would provide huge mobility advantages over patrol cars. They could go through plazas and parks, get ahead of gridlock to an active seen to stabilize a situation or to direct traffic. Jumping curbs and cutting down a sidewalk when needed to arrive as first responders. Back up cars could have spare batteries and charging ports in support. NYC could do a low cost pilot program to see how it works in Central Park. It is easier to park a bike than a car or horse. And they cost less per mile.
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Back on topic with NYC. If a detail of police such as the mounted police were on eBikes they would be in the mix and flow at street level. Just knowing that there were these police would have a chilling affect on bad behavior. It would provide huge mobility advantages over patrol cars. They could go through plazas and parks, get ahead of gridlock to an active seen to stabilize a situation or to direct traffic. Jumping curbs and cutting down a sidewalk when needed to arrive as first responders. Back up cars could have spare batteries and charging ports in support. NYC could do a low cost pilot program to see how it works in Central Park. It is easier to park a bike than a car or horse. And they cost less per mile.
I fell into the trap to assume most is done in the same way nation/worldwide, where it certainly not ;). Also fed by a memory of a video of some guys arrested by bike police chilling in a starbukcs.
Some googling showing NYC police on bikes [https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2012/05/16/nypd-bike-patrol-its-officially-a-trend], but that seems to be a pilot or so.
Here (NL) police just switching their stock of bikes into e-bikes, and scooters to e-scooters. Besides police, we also have a "city guard" type of police [no arms, less authority], and they are all are on e-bikes/scooters.
I think for keeping up with the cyclist it's good as extra, and in places where infra centered around bikes in cities, it's sometimes even necessary.
 
Off topic again. There are more details coming out of what went on yesterday in AZ. Why is this an international story and not a national one?
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