Hydra as a commuter?

@Fast n' Furious you can get a cheap spoke tension gauge online though it uses a chart and some conversion depending on the spoke cross section to figure the tension, but the pinging and popping almost sounds like the spokes were not destressed, or some have become a little loose. I just use a Park Tool spoke key. Wheel builders have long used linseed oil on spokes to keep nipples from turning when not wanted (and to prevent any corrosion) you can also use Spoke Prep which serves the same purpose - like a thread locker mixed with anti seize. I also greased the nipples so any twisting of the spoke or wiggling it may want to do the spoke and nipple rotate together (in theory) instead of the nipple being held still by the rim and the spoke wiggling its way loose. Destressing new spokes gets all the pings and pops out and it sounds horrible when you do it, which is why I just lace my wheels up to relative trueness and near(ish) the tension they need to be, and then let the LBS handle the rest. $20 to true and tension each wheel and a little more to have them destress the spokes. Cheap assurance that a professional handles it and still less than half the price of having them build the whole thing up. Also I've got two solid rim bed wheelsets and using a magnet and clipped spoke end to fish the nipples into the holes on the rim is a nightmare without beer, and I have no idea how much they would have hated me for having them deal with that bit. Plenty of spoke length calculators and videos for wheel building on the web, mostly just takes patience and the tools - of which the truing stand is by far the most expensive.
Thanks. I've ordered the tools.
Anything with micro adjustment ability is insane EXPENSIVE right now.
I've created a 'scientific grade knife sharpener' all that fits any ring stand and produces consistent 'surgical grade sharp' edges.
Way beyond "Wicked Edge", a true precision sharpener made of high-quality alloy and steel parts with close tolerances.
But I soooo want a Vernier Adjustment - for 100% solid 0.5mm increments on the angle - and can't find a vertical roller type (like microscopes) for micro adjustments that fit on a shaft, short of paying insane costs.
Hell yes, the Truing Stand (w/ micro-adjustments) is expensive.
But, a sharpie (and some alcohol to remove it immediately) could do that job pretty damn good, huh?
Again, same as I do with blades to find the exact edge - but in reverse. I coat edge w/ sharpie, then hit it with a fine stone set at a precise (known) angle it should be for that blade. Run it lightly at 6000 grit a couple times and I can see if I'm level with the same angle the true, factory edge was cut at.
A trueing stand using sharpies could set the marker's close enough to clearly show high points, adjust and wipe marks off, repeat, etc.
I'm'a take your advice and I get there, let my LBS guy do the fine work.
Perhaps thread a fine wire through the nipple and pull it into place? Sounds like a lot of patience and definitely beer will be required.

Thanks for the info.

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looking at the pictures of the OMM racks as long as you use some heli tape on the frame to prevent scratches and make sure the ties are nice and snug so there's no movement you should be good. Maybe don't max out the 70lb rating. I think it it were me I'd look for a thin neoprene/mousepad type material to put inbetween the mount and the frame - or print up some pieces the mount can fit on that have eyelets and tracks for the zip ties, so that the force on the frame is a little more distributed. From the looks of it most of the weight will be on the axle, and if you're nervous about putting on the carbon frame you can always attach it to the fork (I only looked at the Divide model)

70lbs extra on the rear (or the front) is a lot, I doubt most people go anywhere near that All my gear I'd haul with me is probably under 25lbs minus food & water
 
@Fast n' Furious you can get a cheap spoke tension gauge online though it uses a chart and some conversion depending on the spoke cross section to figure the tension, but the pinging and popping almost sounds like the spokes were not destressed, or some have become a little loose. I just use a Park Tool spoke key. Wheel builders have long used linseed oil on spokes to keep nipples from turning when not wanted (and to prevent any corrosion) you can also use Spoke Prep which serves the same purpose - like a thread locker mixed with anti seize. I also greased the nipples so any twisting of the spoke or wiggling it may want to do the spoke and nipple rotate together (in theory) instead of the nipple being held still by the rim and the spoke wiggling its way loose. Destressing new spokes gets all the pings and pops out and it sounds horrible when you do it, which is why I just lace my wheels up to relative trueness and near(ish) the tension they need to be, and then let the LBS handle the rest. $20 to true and tension each wheel and a little more to have them destress the spokes. Cheap assurance that a professional handles it and still less than half the price of having them build the whole thing up. Also I've got two solid rim bed wheelsets and using a magnet and clipped spoke end to fish the nipples into the holes on the rim is a nightmare without beer, and I have no idea how much they would have hated me for having them deal with that bit. Plenty of spoke length calculators and videos for wheel building on the web, mostly just takes patience and the tools - of which the truing stand is by far the most expensive.
Just seconding 'all of this' ^.

Your wheels should not be continuously pinging. Absolutely a sign the wheels weren't de-stressed during or even after the build.
There's all kinds of near-religious debate on the use of various spoke preps - from linseed oil, Loc-tite (blue), various others. I grease or oil the threads, use asymetric wheels, and trust proper tension will negate the 'need' for thread locking compounds (or physical types as well).
For the relatively few $ an LBS would charge - bringing in your wheelset is probably the cheapest approach.

If you want to do it yourself, the Park Tool tension gauge is ~$100-ish, get a DT Swiss Spokey, or equivalent Park Tool, and start by de-stressing all of the spokes. There are handfuls of videos online on doing so, technically two parts - the first being to make sure the spokes are sitting right near the hub, which is a one-time added pressure to slightly bend the spoke end right near the hub inwards a bit on the spokes with the spoke head on the 'inside' of the hub, and the second is another area of near-religious debate - some people stand on their spokes/wheels, I don't. Go around the wheel with a pair of leather gloves on, and grab and squeeze each pair of 'parallel'(ish) spokes on one side of the wheel, and squeeze them together a bit. Go all the way around and repeat on the other side. You can look here under 'Wheel Stressing':

It's also somewhat possible your wheels have improperly-fitting washers below the spoke nipple heads, but I kind of doubt it, as washers add cost and fiddliness to builds. Somewhat possible there's no lube at the spoke nipple/rim interface (I use a dab of grease on these during assembly). Easier to pay an LBS a few $ to check out and re-lace or re-tension the wheelset unless you really want to dig in yourself.

FWIW, I de-stressed my wheels a handful of times during the build. I wound up getting a couple of pings for maybe the first two full wheel rotations (like first few feet of first ride) and never again since. YMMV but those sounds should definitely not continue..
 
looking at the pictures of the OMM racks as long as you use some heli tape on the frame to prevent scratches and make sure the ties are nice and snug so there's no movement you should be good. Maybe don't max out the 70lb rating. I think it it were me I'd look for a thin neoprene/mousepad type material to put inbetween the mount and the frame - or print up some pieces the mount can fit on that have eyelets and tracks for the zip ties, so that the force on the frame is a little more distributed. From the looks of it most of the weight will be on the axle, and if you're nervous about putting on the carbon frame you can always attach it to the fork (I only looked at the Divide model)

70lbs extra on the rear (or the front) is a lot, I doubt most people go anywhere near that All my gear I'd haul with me is probably under 25lbs minus food & water

Presently, I have a post/seat mounted rack and bag on my e-gravel bike, which has a semi rear suspension (2cm of movement). I don't carry anything heavy in the bag (keys, wallet, snacks, multi tool and tire repair kit), so weight is not an issue.
The only reason I don't buy another one of these racks for they Hydra is the dropper seat post. I don't think this rack would would with a dropper. I guess I could also just not not use the dropper.

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For liner-locks in longer blades, I like Extrema Ratio's. View attachment 126479The alloy scaled Pantera the Dark Talons (5" blade/ 10 3/4" overall) open with a light flick.
I've carried a few knives and a few made it to 'EDC' status. Recently, I unloaded a lot of pieces. Too many years, getting out of hand.
Have a few SpyderCo's here and there, but current EDC is a Benchmade Rift 950. Liked it so much I've got a second as backup... would be thrilled if they made a slightly smaller version, but it's fine including for clipping onto a pair of shorts' pocket even. Mine's quite a bit more beat-up than the stock pic below...
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It would be nice if we could keep this thread about using the Hydra as a commuter. How about starting your own thread on folding knives?
 
I find myself often getting sidetracked in conversation and have to make an active effort to ignore off-topic posts - but I'm definitely getting better at it heh. As far as seatpost racks - they make me more nervous than a rear rack attached to a carbon frame, dropper or not - though you definitely don't want to use one with a dropper. Depending on the frame design and how much weight you have in the bag that could be a lot of force on the seat tube of the frame or the seatpost given both the rack and seatpost are acting like long levers, but it doesn't sound like you have too much in there. If you don't have a dropper on any other bikes and haven't ridden with one - you really will not want to go back to riding a bike without one ever again. Being able to get low and back over the rear inspires a lot of confidence on the descent - be it singletrack or the street. Maybe I'm overhyping it but... it's one of those game-changers.

One thing to keep in mind with the OMM racks is just fitting the fenders before the rack so you make sure you've got enough clearance, but it looks easy enough with the adjustability on the rack - and most of the good fenders are super adjustable as well. My SKS set I think I had to cut a little material off the metal rods that slide into the mounting points to get the fender nice and close to the tires, but they came plenty long to clear the 29's on different styles of frames. One thing I really like on metal frames that isn't as easy to accomplish with carbon is mounting points on the head tube for a front rack that isn't attached to the steering or fork in any way. That weight has the suspension holding it up and doesn't affect steering - probably second best to being able to mount a frame bag in the triangle. I think the only downside to the type of racks like what the OMMs are is that anything they hold is unsprung weight, so anything sensitive is going to take a bit more of a beating from the trail.
 
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I don't think I've carried more than 10 pounds worth of stuff in the bag shown in my photo. I am looking forward to trying out a dropper seat post. 👍
 
Just seconding 'all of this' ^.

Your wheels should not be continuously pinging. Absolutely a sign the wheels weren't de-stressed during or even after the build.
There's all kinds of near-religious debate on the use of various spoke preps - from linseed oil, Loc-tite (blue), various others. I grease or oil the threads, use asymetric wheels, and trust proper tension will negate the 'need' for thread locking compounds (or physical types as well).
For the relatively few $ an LBS would charge - bringing in your wheelset is probably the cheapest approach.

If you want to do it yourself, the Park Tool tension gauge is ~$100-ish, get a DT Swiss Spokey, or equivalent Park Tool, and start by de-stressing all of the spokes. There are handfuls of videos online on doing so, technically two parts - the first being to make sure the spokes are sitting right near the hub, which is a one-time added pressure to slightly bend the spoke end right near the hub inwards a bit on the spokes with the spoke head on the 'inside' of the hub, and the second is another area of near-religious debate - some people stand on their spokes/wheels, I don't. Go around the wheel with a pair of leather gloves on, and grab and squeeze each pair of 'parallel'(ish) spokes on one side of the wheel, and squeeze them together a bit. Go all the way around and repeat on the other side. You can look here under 'Wheel Stressing':

It's also somewhat possible your wheels have improperly-fitting washers below the spoke nipple heads, but I kind of doubt it, as washers add cost and fiddliness to builds. Somewhat possible there's no lube at the spoke nipple/rim interface (I use a dab of grease on these during assembly). Easier to pay an LBS a few $ to check out and re-lace or re-tension the wheelset unless you really want to dig in yourself.

FWIW, I de-stressed my wheels a handful of times during the build. I wound up getting a couple of pings for maybe the first two full wheel rotations (like first few feet of first ride) and never again since. YMMV but those sounds should definitely not continue..
I see. It's not a quality rim and I'm budgeted upgrading the fork next. Limited to a straight tube, so I'm pretty set on a Judy Gold.
Then, it's upgrading the derailleur, so wheels will have to wait a bit.
This is a QR type. I could get the fork in hub axle - actually for less money.
At least I didn't post 'the collection'.... or the sharpeners.... or the ... ...
o_O:cool::D
My bad. Mark of a fanatic.
 
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It would be nice if we could keep this thread about using the Hydra as a commuter. How about starting your own thread on folding knives?
It's my fault Deacon. My aichmomania got the best of me. It's too esoteric - though a nice sharp thing is good to have commuting on a Hydra, right? I won't even post my Benchmade collection. Okay?
 
I see. It's not a quality rim and I'm budgeted upgrading the fork next. Limited to a straight tube, so I'm pretty set on a Judy Gold.
Then, it's upgrading the derailleur, so wheels will have to wait a bit.
This is a QR type. I could get the fork in hub axle - actually for less money.

So the single bad(ish) accident my wife and I have seen riding around since going ebikes was on a greenway, two girls on the side of a path, one looking in not-so-great shape. Came up on them, pulled off to see if they needed help, etc. Rear wheel came off the bike...somehow. At least part of that somehow was probably down to it being QR, IMO. Guessing near zero pre-ride-check, as she wasn't riding anything crazy, few short double-track flat trails at worst.

Maybe worth considering if planning on upgrading the wheels anyways? Not sure which bike this is on, but I bet you could get a Yari cheap-ish (e.g. on pinkbike, used) and then later swap the air spring for $40, and wait on a sale for the Lyric Ultimate damper to swap in, then you wind up at near-top-end over time anyways..

I'm sure lots of QR wheels have done lots of real miles, but I definitely prefer thru-axles. YMMV.

My bad. Mark of a fanatic.
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Have a few SpyderCo's here and there, but current EDC is a Benchmade Rift 950. Liked it so much I've got a second as backup... would be thrilled if they made a slightly smaller version, but it's fine including for clipping onto a pair of shorts' pocket even. Mine's quite a bit more beat-up than the stock pic below...
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Sorry for another offtopic comment but coincidentally I've had the exact same knife (non-serrated blade) for something like 14 years, solid choice!
Hey, I picked up a pair of those RaceFace Chesters (in blue for my UC). Tried them on my Limited and super nice. I read a review where the guy was complaining they didn't grip well enough? His upset was the center having a slightly higher point? Just like all my shoes do?
I used to slip (a lot) on my old pedals, these things grip like glue. In fact, the usual small foot adjustments are far more difficult.
Much, much safer. I've had terrible ankle injuries from my 4 x4 Landcruiser's clutch pedal. Not looking foirward to that pedal's edge shredding me. Also, my stock 'Wellgo' pedal weighs 231gms. The RF Chester is 184gms. I lost 94gms, 3.3ozs.
Not sure what throttle you're using. I'm waiting on a Domino and was looking for some Blue and Black grips found these:
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Bet they'd look Godzilla Grade Awesome on your hydra.

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The OneUp composite pedals are similarly sticky, especially with a pair of Five Ten shoes! The Crankbrothers Stamp pedals that came on my Hydra were nowhere near as grippy and I actually slipped off once or twice, gouging my shins. I also have two pairs of PNW Components Loam grips which I really love, I've got XL ones on my Hydra and a regular width pair on the Santa Cruz Bronson I just picked up yesterday.
 
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Sorry for another offtopic comment but coincidentally I've had the exact same knife (non-serrated blade) for something like 14 years, solid choice!

The OneUp composite pedals are similarly sticky, especially with a pair of Five Ten shoes! The Crankbrothers Stamp pedals that came on my Hydra were nowhere near as grippy and I actually slipped off once or twice, gouging my shins. I also have two pairs of PNW Components Loam grips which I really love, I've got XL ones on my Hydra and a regular width pair on the Santa Cruz Bronson I just picked up yesterday.
Been looking at the oneup pedals on and off, or pretty much - a step up from the several ‘RockBrothers’(China but decent-ish $30-35 pedal sets) I’ve had, and keep waffling, as I think the CrankBros are overpriced for their composites at least and have only really come across the RC and the OneUps. I do have a pair of Five Tens which was a surprise to me how much grippier they are even on my current pedal set. May wind up adding a set of OneUps to the <order sometime> list, thx!
 
'Contraptions' seem out of place on a Hydra.
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I still cringe at the titanium delivery contraption that guy was going to have painted. Remember him? Where'd he go? He said Pushkar was creating it ?
Only time I've needed a toolkit, my seat came loose a bit. Since then, I pre-ride and I'm maintaining, torqued down to spec. If something breaks, I have doubts a toolkit's going to help.
That's a reason to stick with rear-hubs. All that stuff mid-drives eat - gears, chains, derailleurs - can die and the machine will still limp on home by throttle alone. Ever on my mind - since I've been there.
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But back to the topic - did you know 'Viagra as birth control' was investigated. So, if you too had billions ...
Commuting 'naked' - so to speak - might be a whole lot cooler.
I think it depends on where you're commuting. Work? Bingo parlor? I know I tried a nice leather knapsack and it made my neck hurt.
If it's work, I don't brown-bag it anyway, but a sandwich and more fits in my triangle bag and the RockBrothers store has small T-bags that might work.
One great point about the Hydra, it's low weight. It sure piles up fast. A good lock is near 3 lbs. Where will you put the lock holder?
Run-flat tires seem a better option than carrying pumps, CO2 cannisters and patch kits, but they add weight too.
The evolution should be interesting.
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Someone asked what I'm riding. No Hydra, but plenty 'as a Commuter', daily driver and parts testbed.
I don't need to ride in the rain, but since the photo I've installed an SKS on the rear.
Like the old BMW commercials, it's all about 'form fits function' and I use panniers regularly.

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100Nm/ 18 x 22amps, for townie stuff and my occasional harbor, bay (yes, that's my custom fishing pole holder) fishing, it's about perfect.
My WattWagon UC will be as light as I can keep it. I don't really plan to use it to commute.

I need a sturdy stand to work on my bikes.
Any suggestions from 'Hydra as a commuter' folks?
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I dug through my collection and found just the right accessory EDC in matching Orange scales for Cuz Vinny's Hydra as a Commuter.
The Spyderco Subvert (titanium liner).
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I've also installed a 'Wise Man' on mine.

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PS. I like Benchmade's too!
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This Mel Pardue Griptilian matches the Blue and Grey theme for my UC.
A little on the heavy side, but sweet, variable style action. From the jimping to the G10 scales the craftsmanship is superb.
 
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@kwseattle what glove size are you and how do you prefer the different sizes on the PNW grips? I'm looking at some new grips because my old ones are tearing... I get a little numbness in my ring and pinky fingers on longer rides which led me to get an Ergon set which I liked - but I don't want another set tearing on me. I think the GA3's are a different material than the leather GA1's I had (don't laugh the leather is great for sweaty guys) and on my E06 I don't know how crazy I will get on technical trails so comfort is a little more the goal.
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Speaking of the GA3's and considering this is the 'Hydra as a Commuter' thread, I might point out Ergon has a GA3 model with a bracket for the Supernova high beam. A Package with the M99 Pro 2 head & tail lights is the perfect thing for a commuter bike. Automatic DRL switching & low beam/hi beam - specifically mentioned Magura MT5e brakes as an exampe of what they're made to work with. I wonder what the situation is with the Innotrace controller and lights - I recall there being discussion about how the X1 doesn't have the functionality to work with headlights via the Bafang controls without the light module that was being worked on, but I wonder if that affects whether they can be powered from the system or not. Even though these lights are low powered I would honestly prefer a discrete 12V source for them and just have the light connectors from the controller to run relays with a manual bypass if you want the lights on without the motor/controller on. This is one reason I like the options with their own batteries - no more wires to run, not dependant on the ebike battery or controller, so on and so forth.
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Anyone with a Hydra able to try confirm the tetrarack will fit?
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"It is not recommended to mount TetraRack on carbon frames".
There goes your warranty. Wasn't someone here complaining their Hydra frame cracked clamping something on?
Like my carbon fiber Seat Frame did, right at the clamp - perfectly torqued.

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@kwseattle what glove size are you and how do you prefer the different sizes on the PNW grips? I'm looking at some new grips because my old ones are tearing... I get a little numbness in my ring and pinky fingers on longer rides which led me to get an Ergon set which I liked - but I don't want another set tearing on me. I think the GA3's are a different material than the leather GA1's I had (don't laugh the leather is great for sweaty guys) and on my E06 I don't know how crazy I will get on technical trails so comfort is a little more the goal.
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Speaking of the GA3's and considering this is the 'Hydra as a Commuter' thread, I might point out Ergon has a GA3 model with a bracket for the Supernova high beam. A Package with the M99 Pro 2 head & tail lights is the perfect thing for a commuter bike. Automatic DRL switching & low beam/hi beam - specifically mentioned Magura MT5e brakes as an exampe of what they're made to work with. I wonder what the situation is with the Innotrace controller and lights - I recall there being discussion about how the X1 doesn't have the functionality to work with headlights via the Bafang controls without the light module that was being worked on, but I wonder if that affects whether they can be powered from the system or not. Even though these lights are low powered I would honestly prefer a discrete 12V source for them and just have the light connectors from the controller to run relays with a manual bypass if you want the lights on without the motor/controller on. This is one reason I like the options with their own batteries - no more wires to run, not dependant on the ebike battery or controller, so on and so forth.
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All 12v and up types that I've seen have a big, bulky external battery and wires. And, you're paying a lot more money for a light that lacks even Bluetooth, wireless controls.
Accidents involving cars, the driver seems to always say "I never even saw him".
The most common accident is cars making right turns in front of bikes, clipping the bike driver with their r.v. mirror, or stopping and causing a collision.
I know a bicycle courier who's left arm was ruined by a car mirror. She was stationary and the car tried to go around her.
It happens in broad daylight. "Direct sunlight has a luminous efficacy of about 93 lumens per watt of radiant flux. Multiplying the figure of 1050 watts per square meter by 93 lumens per watt indicates that bright sunlight provides an illuminance of approximately 98 000 lux (lumens per square meter) on a perpendicular surface", Wikipedia says.
It's not they can't see you.
I went for a 4 - 5mile spin between composing this and it happened twice.
I know I'm not putting a daytime carnival light show on my bike for text-drunks or people that cut me off. It's not like they'll say "Ohhhh. A light, I'll show some class this time and use a turn signal".
These are not accidents so much as acts of 'careless aggression' by people in 2 ton metal weapons, under the impression bikes will get out of their way. The same types that as a rule don't use turn signals.
A lot of it's that bike's are mentally associated with pedestrians and the police stopped enforcing laws against J-Walking, crossing against the light, or standing off the curb in the street at a red light - looking down on a phone as cars wiz by at 30mph, and me at 25mph, pinned by those cars right into a collision with the oblivious phone zombie. That, the bums on (almost always stolen) bikes, and the roadie clowns that run every light, go the wrong way on one-way streets - forcing cars to yield and in general antagonizing and aggravating drivers by ignoring rules they cannot.
It adds up to a lot of drivers in general conditioned into hating bikes, thinking we're all part of a moron's club that won't obey the law.
Kinda right too. For instance: VEHICLE CODE - VEH DIVISION 12. EQUIPMENT OF VEHICLES [24000 - 28160] ( Division 12 enacted by Stats. 1959, Ch. 3. ) CHAPTER 2. Lighting Equipment [24250 - 26106] states flashing Blue lights are for emergency vehicles only and flashing red lights are illegal - except as hazard or turn signals.
If you're riding with a blinking red light for any other reason, it is illegal in California.
Bikes think they're exempt. Okay, so if you get a ticket for it, do you claim you were willfully riding a known hazard? lol
Detachable RockBros 800 Lumen(R1-800) has 4000mAh of 18650's.
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work fine to see by.
That's one light on level 2. I run two when I go night-crawling.
The latest models lack the screw knob on the bar mount. The light still slides right off, but the clamp is affixed with a hex bolt.
Anticipated replacing the 18650's, I thought these were cheap lights. But none have failed or gone dead while using.
They're pretty stout aluminum, but slippery in the hand when using as a flashlight. Same construction with their matching taillight.
The bicyclestore has both R1 800 Front and Q1 Rear 37.00 in the discontinued screw knob type.
If you're a weight weenie, I weighed them and they weigh 190- 92gms each with the clamp.
Work perfect for a HAC (Hydra As a Commuter) .
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What else do you need on your HAC?
A Go-Pro mount of course (you'll need evidence that idiot pulled in front of you).
I don't see any bottle mounts either. Oh well, don't drink and drive. Some bars might let you bring the bike in?
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Big front 'bags' are for 'slo-mo-slog' riding. Their added area's wind resistance hits me right in the face.
These 26" x 13" W Carhartt tool roll-bags
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work for me.
Rubber/ velcro straps also work well and come in any color - if you can't simply use the bag's straps to attach over your bars- as I do.
Why these? Size matters. At 14" wide they fit bars well. I can fit a near frozen Stone IPA's, a Banana, my Tomahawk (just kidding) and a Ham Sandwich with Mustard in an about half again larger around the space of a beer can bundle.
Quality. Everything's downsized nowadays, but Carhartt makes above the cut products. You don't get it, not part of the club, can't help you until you pass the secret 'Carhartt ritual of appreciation' that I can't talk about.
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Any HAC'ed concept, for 'utility sake' requires the right bars as well - unless you love Quasimodo posture and don't care about (1) a rats nest of wiring; (2) having a place to mount anything without 'Rube Goldberg' 'accessories to mount the accessories'.
It can get ugly real quick and the Hydra gods might not like it.
I tried this-n-that bars and found first off, my hand position must be correct (like I'm grasping two weightless bars that transect at the apex of the head-stay).
If my wrists are crooked, the joint is at the end of it's motion.
'Rise' should be minimal. I like 0.5", and my grips must point slightly down below 3:00/ 9:00 o'clock on that plane, based on how high my butt is and how far I want to bend over before I'm stressing my spine.
The perfect angle's right between 'pressure on my spine' from not forward enough - and 'pressure on my hands' from too far forward.
I adjust that setting by feeling it out while riding and assess rake's correctness (FOR ME) by: NO neck/ back stress; my wrists and hands feel natural. Control: either hand is right where I have the most hand strength throughout the swing of the bars and my grip is the same as my instinctive grip in the real world.
It's perfectly simple with the right bars, but impossible with straight bars.
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Try holding your hand out, knuckles up (like your holding handlebars) about even with your belly and make a fist where your index finger knuckle is in a straight line with your elbow. Now grip, hard. If you rotate that axis inward (into a flat parallel grip) you'll notice your fingers from the smallest end, one by one begin to lose grip strength, while your index gains maximum grip - but my index's for my brakes and shifting, so it's a one or the other compromise.
I want to grip with my last three fingers, with my thumb & Index for other matters. I want my grip to let go intuitively when my index reaches for my brake as my hand moves up. I'm letting go of the throttle and immediately gripping the bars (lesser fingers again) while I work the brakes.
The domino going on my Ti UC even has a cut-out.

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These Jones butted 660mm H-Bars (literally) are also going on my Ti UC - and a pair in black will grace this bike.
I have another pair in 2.5" rise - very interesting when dialed in on a upright posture street machine.
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Absolutely, @ Deacon. On a UC w/ K'nay there's going to be lot more clutter to contend with than w/ an HAC.
Lights add to the problem of three hydraulic lines, the Display line set, two brake cut-offs and five wire set from the throttle.
That's 14 signal wires.
I'm wondering if Pushkar's found a mount where the Display fits the bars 31.8 section yet?
14 wires in a common sheath will fit down the tube, but will Juliet plugs? If so, I know a few tricks. Perhaps I can fish them out the bottom and create a harness.
I'm pretty anxious to have the bike in hand to start that project.

I'm riding on, too hot to stay inside for Fast and Furious today.

Best to all!!

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I was looking at all the bags for Jones H Bars at https://www.cyclingabout.com/surly-jones-handlebar-bag-options-bikepacking/ and note there are quite a few - but most still have the 'contraption' look. Not all though
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That "Neil from CycleMonkey drilled a hole into the back side of his Jones handlebar and fitted a bolt to use as a brace for the wire mount" is what caught my eye.
I didn't say it, because I felt I'd be crucified, but now this guy can be the target!
These butted bars are strong enough to drill holes and run wires through.
Where is your Wattwagons Tit cargo bike? @Fast n' Furious .
Strider Knives are to sharp to even attached it to a wannabe LL Bean Company.
Rome? Who is the most hated man in the knife community?
Mickey Ray Burger, a.k.a. Mick Strider of Strider Knives comes to mind.
Do you know why?
Comments at are a clue.
Like fullblownhiv : "I mean, the basis of striders whole business is built on huge lies about his military service, he posted falsified military documents & is a literal convicted felon. Greg sucks & is annoying, but mick is a piece of literal dogsh*t."
On August 9, 2005 in the Superior Court of the State of California, for the County of San Diego, North County Division, suit was filed against Ray Burger. He lost and the settlement for Libel Case Number GIN046566 cited above states:
Mick Strider hereby acknowledges that he has never been deployed as a U.S. Army Ranger. Strider also acknowledges that he has never served in or participated with SOCOM (Special Operations Command). Strider also acknowledges that he has never had any combat experience with any branch of the U.S. Military or U.S.Government Agencies, nor has he participated in any "Black Ops". Strider served in 2/75, but never graduated Ranger School. Strider lost all rank, was barred from re-enlistment and was discharged from the Military as a Private.
Read: https://www.bladeforums.com/threads/mick-strider-has-some-explaining-to-do.453852/
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I'm not and won't be disparaging the man, but understand that titanium handled piece was gifted to me.
Id've traded it, but it's considered (how do I say this?) 'a sort of embarrassment' in so many ways.
Inevitably, it brings out negative controversy, conversation turns to a 'yea or nay' referendum on Burger's 'murky' past and so on, so it's not a knife you bring to a show. I'm actually dumping it, and an automatic collection (ZT's an ProTech's).

Hey, did you ever get you Hydra up and commuting?

Fn'F
 
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