Contemplating the Specialized Vado or the Vado SL?

Personally I am hopeful that more manufactures will produce more fitness oriented lightweight ebikes. THESE are the bikes that will convert roadies to ebikes imo!
There's more and more of them with Fazua or TQ motors :)

Thanks. Your words combined with my experiences with the SL 35nm motor talked myself out of purchasing it. I come from another brand with apparently a 100 nm motor and couldn't understand why the small 35nm motor felt so feeble until I started researching motors and torque. The SL is definitely more of an exercise motor and not a "commute to work being as non-sweaty as possible and returning home with a kid and groceries on the bike"-motor. You just have to work too much yourself.

That's why several of us including @mfgrep and myself ride both Vado SL and the full power Vado for different e-bike roles. For instance, I am not freaking out to ride long distances on my Vado SL with Range Extenders. However, I was invited to see a concert of a band of friends on this Saturday in a magical place on the River Vistula, 56 km one way. I will decidedly ride the full power Vado to see and listen to that gig because I specifically don't want to be too tired on that day :)
 
Guess it also explains their wild 66% off sale of Como SL's. That is just a strange combination. The Como's upright casual position screams bike for the elderly and women with young children and I think many of the aforementioned people I saw purchasing it at the sale will be disappointed.
 
Guess it also explains their wild 66% off sale of Como SL's. That is just a strange combination. The Como's upright casual position screams bike for the elderly and women with young children and I think many of the aforementioned people I saw purchasing it at the sale will be disappointed.
While I am not a fan of Como or Como SL myself, I'd recommend you take a closer look at the sale and check what exactly models are available. Because what I can see myself (let's take Germany as the example) the heavily discounted Como SL are only available in size L and only some colours. If you look at the Vado SL 4.0, you will see the price is wildly discounted but only for a single colour and frames L or XL.
 
While I am not a fan of Como or Como SL myself, I'd recommend you take a closer look at the sale and check what exactly models are available. Because what I can see myself (let's take Germany as the example) the heavily discounted Como SL are only available in size L and only some colours. If you look at the Vado SL 4.0, you will see the price is wildly discounted but only for a single colour and frames L or XL.
The Specialized dealer around the corner from me has a LOT of Comos sitting on the showroom floor. I've never paid the Como much attention and so I am less versed on the varying Como versions.....but they have a LOT of them.
 
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I was concerned that with the addition of a Vado 4.0 to my garage that I might begin to neglect my Vado SL 4.0. This is not the case. I continue to ride and enjoy my Vado SL for more 'purposeful' rides in order to burn calories and to obtain my heart zone minutes. If anything....having the big Vado has made me appreciate the SL even more....well....errr.... differently.

I am also really getting a kick out of the big Vado. It has really impressed me and I'm enjoying the heck out of it. I might ride the SL to 'get my miles' but find myself simply 'going for a ride' after dinner now too. Last night after dinner it was beautiful outside and I told my wife that "I was going for a short ride". 14 miles and 55 minutes later I came home with a smile on my face. The big Vado is a lot of fun.

Admittedly the Vado SL does/can 'beat me up a bit' with its more rigid ride. I don't notice that the SL is overly rigid while on my rides too much....but my 50+ year old body lets me know about it later. This should improve as the warmer weather continues (fingers crossed....I'm feeling old lately). I tend to ride 12-15 miles in approximately 1 hour near daily for exercise purposes on the SL. On weekends I might ride up to approximately 30 miles if I have the time & inclination. I don't often seek longer rides but rarely they do occur. The SL is imo masterfully engineered to force the rider to 'work-out' then gifts the rider the benefit of enhanced speed & longer distance(s). I fully realize that this bike-type is a niche for a small segment of the bike buying market but man oh man I am happy that this 'fitness' style ebike exists. I'm still loving my SL.

I would imagine that the SL might completely satisfy some young/fit riders as a 'one and done do-it-all ebike'. Sure an SL could be outfitted with rack, panniers, fenders etc. and accomplish exercise, errands/commute, asphalt, gravel, and more. As a middle-aged and average (at best) rider who is reasonably fit (for my age)....the SL is not ideal for carrying groceries or for running errands. It can be done....but I'm finding it a HUGE benefit to have both of these bikes at my disposal. Weight vs. Power is a very real matchup.

The numbers unsurprisingly do not lie and I am getting a better 'workout' on the SL. The big Vado at 20lb > when compared to the SL requires some motor power at virtually all times during my rides....while my SL is often turned off and my heart rate minutes do clearly confirm. I am finding that my big Vado range is excellent and I have no range anxiety whatsoever. The SL begs for me to burn calories, push harder, and rise from the saddle to tackle hills. While during most miles I find myself in ECO (to my surprise!) with the Big Vado with short periods in Sport or Turbo only when tackling the hills. I am finding it to be very surprising how the Big Vado achieves a natural 'rider feel' that defies its own weight and I am getting some mild fitness benefits too. The Big Vado does not feel 'natural' to leave the saddle position to tackle hills. Sure you could leave the saddle and crank hills with the Big Vado....but it isn't made for this and Big Vado quickly lets you know. Part of this is Big Vado geometry certainly...but part of this is just Big Vado weight and power ....Big Vado doesn't want/need your help to tackle hills....Big Vado eats hill largely on its own.

Big Vado may not be the ultimate exercise e-bike for the relatively fit rider....but it does provide both fun and function. Sometimes you just want to 'ride around' for awhile and the Big Vado is fun to ride around comfortably. Strap a lock to the top of the rear rack and quickly throw a pannier on the bike and I can stop wherever I wish....bring anything along with me....and bring just about anything back home with me too. Last night it felt like I was just 'hauling ass' around the neighborhoods on the Big Vado while the miles just flew by.

BTW: Part of my excuse in purchasing a 2nd ebike was "my wife can come along for the ride". She has not yet sat on the Vado lol. As my grandfather used to say to me at the dinner table "ok good...more for me" lol.
 
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Same here. They sell pretty well on the special sale.
Yes. In fact the two times that I have been at the shop during recent weeks I saw older couples taking their new Comos home. They are selling albeit slowly....and apparently a bit more briskly now with the sale price.
Prior to the Como discount...most of these couples would be taking an Aventon Pace 2 home with them.
 
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Specialized really 'missed the mark' by naming both the Vado and the Vado SL by the same name.....these are ENTIRELY differing bicycles in virtually all respects (except for the name) which confuses the consumer and which makes it cumbersome to clearly discuss these two entirely differing bikes.

Some may recall that I purchased a 2022 Vado SL 4.0 last June during a brief period when it was on sale for $2500. I was unsure as to whether I would fully embrace the 'ebike thing' and thus I was seeking something in the $1200 or < range like the Aventon Solterra or similar. After some shopping around it became clear to me that the Aventon or similar quality bikes would not compel me to ride frequently. So when the Vado SL went on sale I snapped it up. I'm glad that I did and in hindsight I consider myself lucky both for (a) the sale price and (b) because the Vado SL was a good fit for my needs.
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I still read a lot of ebike articles and forum comments about the SL. As many of us know the Vado SL looks and behaves very analog-like similar to a Sirrus. It can easily be carried up staircases or lifted on to a car rack. A cursory review of the Vado SL's 320Wh battery and 35Nm 1.1 motor may seem underwhelming and expensive to many within the now broad ebike marketplace. The Vado SL fills a 'fitness' niche allowing a rider to enjoy faster and lengthier rides without giving up any of the fitness benefits of analog biking. I am proof of this given my miles ridden, pounds lost, and now narrower physique. Thanks Vado SL! Perhaps most importantly I really enjoy riding my Vado SL. It is nimble, fun, easy to carry, easy to load on to a car rack, and thus opens up a world of options to a cyclist. Not many ebikes can do this....and few do it so well. No this motor will not power you up steep hills without muscle. No you can't expect long range travel if you require 60%-100% motor assistance at all times. If used as intended, however, this bike will give you motor assist for a near 100 mile range in my experience. Others use(s) may be possible, however, I prefer to keep my Vado SL 'naked' without racks, fenders, bags, or panniers. It is a rigid bike and I have softened it with careful tire inflation, PanaRacer tires, Ergon grips, and a RedShift stem. I use a QuadLock mount for a phone and off I go easily burning about 500 calories in 60 minutes. This bike is a lot of fun. It does 'its thing' very very well. I wouldn't call it a 'one trick pony', however, it excels at my use-case as a lightweight and un-complicated fitness bike. If you are seeking to power through errands, commute, grocery shop etc....this bike might be able to accomplish it for you....but the SL is less than ideal for these tasks. If the SL were a car it would be a Porsche.

The 'Vado' line of Specialized bicycles includes a 'cousin' by name only to the Vado SL more simply named 'Vado'. I could not resist the temptation to have an entirely different ebike type in the garage and I (again) succumbed to the $2750 sale price. The much quieter Vado motor provides DOUBLE the Vado SL's torque at 70Nm and Vado has more than DOUBLE the SL's battery at 710Wh. I bought a white Vado 4.0 and quickly added sticky pedals, a QuadLock, water bottle cage, straps for the rear rack, Garmin Varia radar, and Cool Cave panniers. I am only 100 miles in with the full power Vado but it already opens up many additional cycling adventures. This big Vado is whisper quiet, very powerful, and far more comfortable when compared to the SL. The full power Vado has a great rack system and easily hauls groceries, heavy locks, a 12 pack of cold beverages or anything else that you might choose to carry. The big Vado eats miles and powers through hills. Interestingly I believe that both the Vado and the Vado SL will deliver similar total mileage range for me.....nearly 100 miles per charge. No the big Vado cannot realistically be ridden without some degree of motor assistance which is a strong departure from the 'fitness' ebike niche held by the SL. No the Vado cannot be easily carried up a staircase or loaded on to a car rack. If the Vado were a car it would be a Cadillac.
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Most will face these two entirely differing bikes as a 'one vs. the other' choice and I too originally faced this dilemma. Until technology allows lightweight but still powerful motors/batteries we all face some ebike shopping conundrums. I first chose the SL for my primary goals of fitness and fun and I intend to keep on track using the SL for these purposes. The SL really shines for my weekly exercise goals and I have no complaints (I do wish the motor was a tad bit quieter). The pre-Mastermind 2022 SL enjoys minimalist tech/TCU freeing the rider from distractions and furthering its place as a 'naked fitness bike'.

The big Vado is just an entirely different beast altogether. Vado allows for long and comfortable rides while easily hauling any of the bits that you are compelled to bring along with you for the ride. Sure you can gain some fitness from riding the more powerful Vado if/when using minimal motor support although this is not where Vado shines. Vado is a nearly 60lb bicycle and Vado SL is approximately 35lbs!! The full power suspension equipped Vado does, however, provide quiet comfort and an ability to near effortlessly cycle even while hauling your goods. The 2023 Mastermind equipped version provides a plethora of rider data, radar integration, micro-adjustment, and some degree of electronic security capability. While not a true upright 'cruiser' like the Como, the full power Vado is more Como-like than it is Vado SL-like.

Both are great bikes which serve very differing use cases. Not inexpensive by anyone's imagination, however, with $5250 total invested for both bikes I feel that I have a LOT of capabilities at my fingertips. When factoring my fitness/health, my fun, my entertainment, dealer/service network, and the quality of equipment I feel that this is money well spent. Both of these bikes allow me to really get 'out' and see the city and all of its sights and goings-on. Both bikes improve my fitness albeit to varying degrees. It is going to be a good summer.
Great job. You actually bought two e-bikes from the same brand and kept them both
a few weeks ago I bought a 2024 Vado 4.0 SL. Walked into the bike shop and they had it on sale. The shop manager gave me all the specs so I thought the motor was just too small for the central pa hills where I live. Took it for a ride up the steepest hill nearby and it was fine, just not fast up the hill

and that was it..didn’t ride any other bikes or even shop other stores

pretty happy with it but it is a stiff aluminum frame. Used Ergo grips I had laying around, and MB pedals. Running 60 psi tires

have you done anything to improve the ride on your SL? Thanks !
 
Great job. You actually bought two e-bikes from the same brand and kept them both
a few weeks ago I bought a 2024 Vado 4.0 SL. Walked into the bike shop and they had it on sale. The shop manager gave me all the specs so I thought the motor was just too small for the central pa hills where I live. Took it for a ride up the steepest hill nearby and it was fine, just not fast up the hill

and that was it..didn’t ride any other bikes or even shop other stores

pretty happy with it but it is a stiff aluminum frame. Used Ergo grips I had laying around, and MB pedals. Running 60 psi tires

have you done anything to improve the ride on your SL? Thanks !
There is no '2024' Vado SL that I am aware of.

I'd start by using a good PSI calculator. 60psi is very high on that bike.

I added a Redshift suspension stem which did soften things a bit.

Again, I would take a very good hard look at your PSI. Simple change will make a world of difference.

You could also consider adding a suspension seat post.
 
My store receipt says 2024 Vado SL

But maybe they made a mistake?

im going to give 45 psi a try. I’m used to my single speed road bike. 110 psi continental gt5000
 
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My store receipt says 2024 Vado SL

But maybe they made a mistake?

im going to give 45 psi a try. I’m used to my single speed road bike. 110 psi continental gt5000

Well....it is 2024 right now....but there is no 2024 Vado SL. You likely have a 2023....but it doesn't really matter either way. I bought mine in 2023 and it was a 2022 (pre-mastermind) model. Most dealers have NO CLUE what model year bikes they have....and there have been very few substantive changes in the Vado SL throughout recent model years. My dealer still has more than a few 2021's languishing on the racks.

Use a good PSI calculator. Stefan provided this one to me https://www.renehersecycles.com/tire-pressure-calculator/ I weigh < 145lbs and I ride my Vado SL with 38psi at front and 42psi at rear. I replaced the OEM tires but they remain 38's.
I can tell you this.....at one point I tried 42's on the Vado SL and it made the ride FAR more supple. For a variety of reasons I preferred the 38's....but if I just could no longer stand the rigidity of the ride....42's will help alleviate that issue. I felt like the 42's slowed me down.....but that was likely more of a head-game than a reality.
 
Well....it is 2024 right now....but there is no 2024 Vado SL. You likely have a 2023....but it doesn't really matter either way. I bought mine in 2023 and it was a 2022 (pre-mastermind) model. Most dealers have NO CLUE what model year bikes they have....and there have been very few substantive changes in the Vado SL throughout recent model years. My dealer still has more than a few 2021's languishing on the racks.

Use a good PSI calculator. Stefan provided this one to me https://www.renehersecycles.com/tire-pressure-calculator/ I weigh < 145lbs and I ride my Vado SL with 38psi at front and 42psi at rear. I replaced the OEM tires but they remain 38's.
I can tell you this.....at one point I tried 42's on the Vado SL and it made the ride FAR more supple. For a variety of reasons I preferred the 38's....but if I just could no longer stand the rigidity of the ride....42's will help alleviate that issue. I felt like the 42's slowed me down.....but that was likely more of a head-game than a reality.
Guess I can go as low as 37 psi

will wait til next year before I swap out tires. I’m spinning g the rear tire going up loos gravel hills
 
How do you tell 2024 models from 2023 ones?
My wife and I bought Vado SL 4.0 EQs from the LBS in March. There was no "model year" specified for either bike. Hers (a medium step-through) had been in the dealer's stock since at least July, 2023 (when we first started shopping for ebikes). It was built in Taiwan on August 26, 2021. Mine (a medium step-over) was ordered from Specialized. It was built in Vietnam on Nov. 29, 2023. The build dates and locations are on stickers underneath the top tube (close to the seat tube).
 
My wife and I bought Vado SL 4.0 EQs from the LBS in March. There was no "model year" specified for either bike. Hers (a medium step-through) had been in the dealer's stock since at least July, 2023 (when we first started shopping for ebikes). It was built in Taiwan on August 26, 2021. Mine (a medium step-over) was ordered from Specialized. It was built in Vietnam on Nov. 29, 2023. The build dates and locations are on stickers underneath the top tube (close to the seat tube).
I did not know that sticker was there!

I bought my 4.0 SL on 06/23 and sticker says Vietnam 08/2022.
 
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