To the "Karens", and the "Carls" out there😂 Those riding dirty too.

[PedalUma]

Cool. I am humble, not perfect and learn best from my screw-ups. Thanks for calling that out. Dam, it is still great wine regardless of what anyone says. I screw up much more than most. And learn by sticking my head out of the shell and taking risks. I should have have seen before talking about that win, looking at the details; I was enthused for a moment. Italy has amazing stuff like primitivo. The complex curluy laves on vines have the most flavor in the grapes.

 

[gromike]

All my life I have been seeking a cabernet like the one I tasted in the early seventies on trip to the Napa valley. None of us were over 21, but things were more relaxed back then. That first taste of good wine has haunted my ever since.

 

[Gionnirocket]

Many places have good wine, including California from which my everyday go to's come from. If you picked up 24 bottles of something that you really enjoy for less than $10 each.. that's a nice score. Wine is to be enjoyed with friends and family. Not put on a pedestal and used as a measure of your status.
I went on a very nice and interesting tour on the outskirts of Adelaide Australia. I really enjoyed the wine... But I most appreciated my family and friends that I shared it with.

 

[Chargeride]

I'm claiming crappiest ebike on the forums, you'll need a proper heap to challenge me.

Though she is undergoing a full rebuild... when you spin the cranks and they stop abrubtly in the same spot.

When you don't need a bell on the trails.

 

[PDoz]

This is funny. Yesterday I mentioned that bikes are like wine, everyone has their tastes, and that it is fine if someone likes $6 bottles. Tastes develop and change with exposure. Last October I gave a friend a bottle that I really like. I had at that time taken another bottle to a friend with a wine shop along with another friend. They were both blown away. It started to really open up after 45 minutes of air. So, I told my friend to open it today over at his house. We let it breath for a half-hour. He was so blown away that he looked it up. One bottle just sold at auction for $1110. I am buying two cases tomorrow. It has been on its side in a cave for 12 years. My friend with the wine shop said that it has the legs to sit in a cave for another 5-years. It is the best I have tasted regardless of what others may say. We are going to sell it. Even if I got $500 per bottle I would be very happy. Was in the industry here in the wine country and developed my own tastes and preferences.

20 years ago I was staying at a friends house in Margaret River ( an Australian wine region) . I mentioned not liking wine and he decided to change my mind. He opened two bottles a night for a week from his amazing cellar, gave me a blind taste and asked what I thought. Each night he'd slump into despair at my ignorance.

On the last night of my stay I begrudgingly declared " that's not bad, where do I buy some ?" .

Apparently I like unobtainable gifts to special customers from 30 years earlier -why he had wasted it on me, I'll never know. BUT , he did use that knowledge to source me the last of an experimental batch of Zinfendal that had some weird fungal mistake that I'll never understand, from a winery that was ploughing the magic back into the ground. Heartbreaking stuff - absolute magic in a bottle . Less than $10 a bottle because apparently nobody wanted to buy it. And now all gone.

The moral of this story? Karen and Carl can whine as much as they like, but a koala bears arms ?

 

[Gionnirocket]

20 years ago I was staying at a friends house in Margaret River ( an Australian wine region) . I mentioned not liking wine and he decided to change my mind. He opened two bottles a night for a week from his amazing cellar, gave me a blind taste and asked what I thought. Each night he'd slump into despair at my ignorance.

On the last night of my stay I begrudgingly declared " that's not bad, where do I buy some ?" .

Apparently I like unobtainable gifts to special customers from 30 years earlier -why he had wasted it on me, I'll never know. BUT , he did use that knowledge to source me the last of an experimental batch of Zinfendal that had some weird fungal mistake that I'll never understand, from a winery that was ploughing the magic back into the ground. Heartbreaking stuff - absolute magic in a bottle . Less than $10 a bottle because apparently nobody wanted to buy it. And now all gone.

The moral of this story? Karen and Carl can whine as much as they like, but a koala bears arms ?

I'd say it wasn't wasted on you as you enjoyed it and he enjoyed sharing it with you. For me.. THE purpose of wine. And yet more evidence that $$ doesn't equal the best wine.
I'm convinced that people can be convinced of anything. Some may call it being educated... But that's not necessarily true in all cases. Want proof... Look at what total piece of s*it of a human being might be president again.

 

[Roamers]

THE purpose of wine. And yet more evidence that $$ doesn't equal the best wine.

The glass it is served in makes a difference also. We conducted a blind cab tasting recently. Used appropriate Riedel glass and generic smaller wine glass for one test. Every person preferred the Riedel pour; the pours were out of the same bottle. The proper glass accentuates wine goodness and badness.

 

[Gionnirocket]

The glass it is served in makes a difference also. We conducted a blind cab tasting recently. Used appropriate Riedel glass and generic smaller wine glass for one test. Every person preferred the Riedel pour; the pours were out of the same bottle. The proper glass accentuates wine goodness and badness.

Much of what you taste is influenced by what you smell... So that makes sense.
But that type of test is somewhat tainted as all knew beforehand that the wine should taste better from the Riedel. Blind or not you know which glass you are holding.

A news program many years ago did a not so blind test with the same wine first served from its $15/bottle and then from a bottle of a much more expensive wine. Everyone preferred it when it was served from the expensive bottle.

Note to self.... No more sippy_cup.

 

[Brian-s]

Both of the last two comments make you wonder if it's more just a psychological effect of style of prestige of containers and presentation that it is actually any difference of the wine and therefore you put it in a fancy bottle or a fancy cup at a restaurant you can charge more because they think it's better. Ergo perception is 99% of reality

 

[Djangodog]

I think that the latest incarnation of solarcabin/dashriprock/karen may have crawled back into their bunker, (mom’s basement). Be vewy vewy quiet.

 

[Roamers]

But that type of test is somewhat tainted as all knew beforehand that the wine should taste better from the Riedel.

To this group, they were both just wine glasses. Correct to using all senses; that is what the correct glass allows.

 

[m@Robertson]

can you get md 2020\

ah there's something I haven't heard of in awhile... "Mad Dog 20/20". That was what we asked the college guy to get for us while we waited outside the liquor store (ahem... high school memories). More alcohol content so naturally it was asked for by name.

 

[Djangodog]

When I was a teen, everybody had a Schwinn, which was why nobody rode. Ten-speeds became big sellers, but most ended up like the Schwinns. Besides my cheap Abound, the only derailleur bikes I've seen in town are a pair of ebikes that are occasionally trailered to a park in another town. A lot of Americans buy ebikes for that purpose. Will it turn out to be a fad?

In the Netherlands, only a third of trips are made by automobile, so nearly everybody rides a bike. Expatinfoholland lists 12 kinds of bikes used in the Netherlands, with photos. The only one with a derailleur is what the Dutch call a racer. Do you dismiss the majority of Dutch bicyclists as crackpots? Ebikes are popular, but a bike that can be powered over 15 mph can't use bike lanes and requires a license and registration. Where everybody rides and many have ebikes, they've "ruined it for everybody."

Because of the terrain, it seems that there is little need for a wide range of gears or electric assistance in the Netherlands.

 

[teskow]

So true.Not a hill to be found in Amsterdam.

 

[Chargeride]

I think to myself, this is sometimes one of the most aggressive forums I use

Then I remember my times in a road race cycling club.

There was a fight every week at the. clubhouse, we had quite a few just riding in a pack because someone touched their brakes when they shouldn't have .

 

[m@Robertson]

In the Netherlands, only a third of trips are made by automobile, so nearly everybody rides a bike. Expatinfoholland lists 12 kinds of bikes used in the Netherlands, with photos. The only one with a derailleur is what the Dutch call a racer. Do you dismiss the majority of Dutch bicyclists as crackpots? Ebikes are popular, but a bike that can be powered over 15 mph can't use bike lanes and requires a license and registration. Where everybody rides and many have ebikes, they've "ruined it for everybody."

If you ever ride a bike in The Netherlands, you will get quite an eye opener in terms of what is considered a usable bike there. In short, they all ride pieces of junk. The bicycle is a totally different kind of thing there, and since people often pull up and just park outside of ... well, anywhere... they may not even lock the thing. Or if they do its totally different from locking up a bike like we would here, where what they do is meant to be just convenient and not the both-wheels-and-frame-to-a-pole like we do here.

Plus there is absolutely zero status associated with a bike. Also nobody wears anything like bike clothing. Its all street clothes. And if you put on a helmet you will be the only one in the city doing that. Despite people and bikes and streetcars and cars coming and going and intermingling with everyone and everything from all directions.

I did my time cycling in The Netherlands in Amsterdam - you routinely shared any given city intersection with dozens of riders at a stoplight. After the light we were shoulder-to-shoulder running along a wide-but-still-barely-adequate dedicated path. And my 250w, 3-speed (no derailleur) ebike with its EU-compliant speed limit was not even remotely safe at that (by our standards) low upper speed limit. I totally get why the EU has such low speed limits, as anyone trying to get proper use out of a 750w bike would be riding a hopelessly dangerous hot rod. Even 20 mph would be insane.

Oh and its all flat as a pancake. So people are traveling in crowds, at slow speed on flat land that is flat right to the border of the country. So you very typically have an old-school 3-speed hub like you would see on an American bike from back when I was a kid. But yes, no derailleurs and no speeds. because who needs them when you can only go 10 mph anyway?

Don't try to make a simple comparison like that as it doesn't work on many levels.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

Did you miss Cauberg? 440 feet
Keutenberg? 535
Mount St. Peter? 561
Eiserbrosweg? 633
Vrouwenheide? 692
Vaalserberg? 1058

Yep, flat as a pancake.

 

[PedalUma]

s*it of a human being might be president again

That's baloney! Baloney man is only up for 91 criminal indictments so far by a jury of its peers. That's not too much. Maybe only 33% of charges will stick for prison time. MLGA make Leavenworth great again. Plus It only owes $540 million in civil charges so far, plus interest, that is only if it shut its big f-ing baloney mouth, doesn't speak falsely, or continue to defame, or insight others. It is a known rapist. Yes, It is full of baloney, it took an oath of office, and gave aid or comfort to insurgents. And therefore cannot appear on any ballot. It is a tarator by section 3 of the 14th amendment. It regularly quotes Hitler and loves Putin. Regan would roll in his grave. Lincoln would fight It with all his power. Baloney It is full of baloney and is going down without taking the nation with It. It isn't qualified to take the oath to be a municipal dog catcher. Security clearance zero, after displaying classified documents. It couldn't be a janitor at a public school. An ef-ing sex offender. Self-disqualified as a POS tarator, full of baloney.

 

[Chargeride]

If you ever ride a bike in The Netherlands, you will get quite an eye opener in terms of what is considered a usable bike there. In short, they all ride pieces of junk. The bicycle is a totally different kind of thing there, and since people often pull up and just park outside of ... well, anywhere... they may not even lock the thing. Or if they do its totally different from locking up a bike like we would here, where what they do is meant to be just convenient and not the both-wheels-and-frame-to-a-pole like we do here.

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Plus there is absolutely zero status associated with a bike. Also nobody wears anything like bike clothing. Its all street clothes. And if you put on a helmet you will be the only one in the city doing that. Despite people and bikes and streetcars and cars coming and going and intermingling with everyone and everything from all directions.

I did my time cycling in The Netherlands in Amsterdam - you routinely shared any given city intersection with dozens of riders at a stoplight. After the light we were shoulder-to-shoulder running along a wide-but-still-barely-adequate dedicated path. And my 250w, 3-speed (no derailleur) ebike with its EU-compliant speed limit was not even remotely safe at that (by our standards) low upper speed limit. I totally get why the EU has such low speed limits, as anyone trying to get proper use out of a 750w bike would be riding a hopelessly dangerous hot rod. Even 20 mph would be insane.

Oh and its all flat as a pancake. So people are traveling in crowds, at slow speed on flat land that is flat right to the border of the country. So you very typically have an old-school 3-speed hub like you would see on an American bike from back when I was a kid. But yes, no derailleurs and no speeds. because who needs them when you can only go 10 mph anyway?

Don't try to make a simple comparison like that as it doesn't work on many levels.

I saw quite a few bikes with no brakes at all, the bike shop owner said they probably had back pedal rear brake, but I know how they look, and the bikes had ordinary hubs front and back.
I guess if you just pedal at 5mph and use your feet for emergencies, you could get away with it.

 

[fauconnier]

I guess if you just pedal at 5mph and use your feet for emergencies, you could get away with it.

Oh no, they are called "fixies" for fixed gear bikes and they race with them in the middle of the towns. The film Premium rush (2012) is a story about bicycle messengers who work and race fixies.