Lugging a Motor, Why it's Bad

[Gionnirocket]

...never get dirty or need lube and will make the new cassette last.

You're a used car salesman
Does that come with undercoating?

 

[DDBB]

I posted this in another thread but I've had good success with a very uncommon method of chain maintenance. After cleaning the chain with kerosene, I use a wet lube on each link. After a few minutes I then hit the chain with maxima chain wax. My thought is that the chain wax sort of seals in the wet lube. I was laughed at for posting this but I'm enjoying over 2,000mi. on a 9 speed chain with an ultra motor that isn't babied. I'm right at .5 on several different chain checkers and will replace the chain soon, not sure I want to wait until .75 but we'll see, I could get another 1,000mi. out of this chain

 

[PedalUma]

I was still getting bubbles out of the chain after two hours. That means the wax is going in. I was dumb and didn't attach something like a homemade spoke hanger hook in the middle of the chain. It is hot as hell and slippery as an eel to take out and if it whips you will get burned and ruin your clothing. Did you know that Freud was obsessed by eels as a child? Is that an eel in your pocket young man? What is weird is that it smells likes Halloween. This must be what they use as a mold release on rubber masks.

After it cooled for a couple of hours I dipped my fingernails in it as a medium to clean under them. That worked great, I rubbed it around and now my hands are super soft and moisturized, but smell like a Halloween mask. I read that it can take up to 10% fragrance. Maybe I will do something other than MucOff banana. I have used pre-treatment of hands before a dirty job. It works. Artificial dirt. When your nails and crevasse's are packed with other stuff like wax, no grime can enter. If I had to shake a thousand hands a day, I would do this. It is like an invisible protective glove. Great for working on dirty bikes as well. If you wax your right thumb will it not show on a notary pad.

 

[Gionnirocket]

I posted this in another thread but I've had good success with a very uncommon method of chain maintenance. After cleaning the chain with kerosene, I use a wet lube on each link. After a few minutes I then hit the chain with maxima chain wax. My thought is that the chain wax sort of seals in the wet lube. I was laughed at for posting this but I'm enjoying over 2,000mi. on a 9 speed chain with an ultra motor that isn't babied. I'm right at .5 on several different chain checkers and will replace the chain soon, not sure I want to wait until .75 but we'll see, I could get another 1,000mi. out of this chain

Not that some of what you say doesn't hold true but the Maxima wax is in a carrier solvent that flushes out the old lube and dirt and allows it to flow into the chain and then solidify. So I'm not sure how much if any of the previously applied wet lube remains.
Also your Ultra results if not ridden overly abusive are common.
And lastly in my experience chain wear isn't straight line... It can hold as new for say 2000mi... and then slowly reach 0.5 by 2500mi. But from that point it's a quick slide to 0.75 and 1.0, probably before 3000mi.
ymmv

 

[DDBB]

Well, when I spray the chainwax on, nothing comes off the chain onto the floor. If it's flushing it out, it's not going anywhere or it's sitting just below the wax? I don't know, I'm guessing but the method seems to give me good results. I got 1,700 mi. on my 10 speed 250 watt yamaha /haibike before the chain went past .5. I wasn't using chain wax on that chain. Could be just because it's a 10 speed though. I know thorough cleaning probably is more important than what which wet lube one uses.

 

[Catalyzt]

Funny this thread popped up again-- I just lugged Nightmare's motor for the first time 15 minutes ago. Total bonehead move, was thinking about something else or looking at the display...

I was in ninth gear or something, way too high a gear, in Tour, the second level of power assist, on a steep grade, and figured I put all my weight on the pedal just to give it a little surge so that I could get enough momentum to ghost pedal and shift without putting too much stress on the drive train...

And she snarled at me. The motor just made a soft little growling noise.

I banged a U-turn, downshifted, did another U-turn, and resumed the climb without incident.

I'm glad this was not my first ebike! It is definitely requires more finesse than the eMTB with the E5000.

 

[Gionnirocket]

Well, when I spray the chainwax on, nothing comes off the chain onto the floor. If it's flushing it out, it's not going anywhere or it's sitting just below the wax? I don't know, I'm guessing but the method seems to give me good results. I got 1,700 mi. on my 10 speed 250 watt yamaha /haibike before the chain went past .5. I wasn't using chain wax on that chain. Could be just because it's a 10 speed though. I know thorough cleaning probably is more important than what which wet lube one uses.

Maxima Chain Wax is a superior power spray lubricant designed for all chain care needs. It's special Para-Film formula creates a waxy film similar to Cosmoline, offering long term protection especially in water and high humidity environments. Maxima Chain Wax is formulated with heavy duty, anti-wear, and extreme pressure additives that provide superior lubrication for all chains, cables, and sprockets. Maxima Chain Wax penetrates deeply, lubricating non accessible areas, reducing chain stretch and wear. Chain Wax is simply the best choice for all chain and cable care needs. CAUTION: Flammable, Do not spray near open flame. Avoid prolonged exposure to solvent vapor. See warning on container. FEATURES: Eliminates fling off and seals lubricant to chain; Special paraffin base creates waxy film; Excellent rust protection; For O-ring and conventional chains; Does not attract dirt; Light amber color.

Most chain waxes have a similar description... take from that what you will.

 

[DDBB]

I use maxima chain wax on my motorcycle chain too. I get 30,000mi. from a chain but they are o-ring chains. I'd suffer the weight penalty for an o-ring ebike chain

 

[Gionnirocket]

Maxima products in general are high quality.

 

[stompandgo]

I used Maxima on my motorcycles. I did not like it on my racing bicycles. Too hard to remove. They got a full cleaning every other weekend.

 

[DDBB]

Kerosene takes it right off I've found

 

[stompandgo]

I'm not a fan of using high VOC cleaners.

 

[DDBB]

doesn't seem to affect metal? Not good for the environment though

 

[Gionnirocket]

 

[DDBB]

Problem with kerosene is what to do with the dirty kero when you're done. That stuff doesn't evaporate

 

[stompandgo]

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[stompandgo]

doesn't seem to affect metal? Not good for the environment though

The environment is important, but I'm much more concerned about my health. These days, any good low to medium strength citrus cleaner will do just as good a job, and the water won't cause rusting as long as you lube the chain after drying.

 

[Gionnirocket]

The environment is important, but I'm much more concerned about my health. These days, any good low to medium strength citrus cleaner will do just as good a job, and the water won't cause rusting as long as you lube the chain after drying.

I concur.
WD40 is also an excellent cleaner and eliminates any rust concern though it's still a man made chemical and not as environmental friendly as citrus or simple green

 

[PedalUma]

I have used bio-diesel to do things such as clean chainsaw parts. Now with bikes I can buy gallon jugs of the stuff restaurants use to clean fryers. An orange peal contains VOCs. Try squeezing one into a flame.

 

[DDBB]

Something else is going to kill me long before some kero on my hands will