Lugging a Motor, Why it's Bad

[Jeremy McCreary]

Getting better, but I still stop in too high a gear more often than I care to admit. Non-issue with my first ebike — a hub-drive with throttle. A second of throttle and I'm back in business.

The recovery on my mid-drive sans throttle is less convenient. I get off, lever the rear wheel off the ground on the kickstand, downshift to a proper gear, then get back on and go.

The bike's light enough to do this without a third hand to keep it leaned over. Nothing lost but a little time and pride.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Jeremy, please take an advice from an experienced rider that is, from me

Whenever you have stopped in high gear, push the downshift lever on a stationary bike. When you are getting on the saddle, push the pedal but not with a great force. Continue downshifting and slowly increase the crank rotation. The derailleur might produce some noise but it won't kill it.

It is perhaps easier for me since Shimano allows downshifting up to three gears per a single click.

I have been on the same derailleur since 2019 even if I make many shifting mistakes (big Vado).

 

[JGcycle]

Whenever you have stopped in high gear, push the downshift lever on a stationary bike. When you are getting on the saddle, push the pedal but not with a great force. Continue downshifting and slowly increase the crank rotation. The derailleur might produce some noise but it won't kill it.

I've used this method, it takes a little getting used to, but it does work well.

 

[PedalUma]

I like to downshift as I apply brakes. It is sort of like on a manual transmission car, using the clutch and brake with the same foot when setting up for a corner.

 

[Gionnirocket]

I like to downshift as I apply brakes. It is sort of like on a manual transmission car, using the clutch and brake with the same foot when setting up for a corner.

Exactly... You teach yourself not to do it.
It's like the "experienced tool" on EBR with hundreds of accidents and claims he knows how to fall correctly instead of learning how to avoid accidents in the first place.
That said.... another reason I'm lovin' the Rohloff.

 

[DDBB]

Rohloff-Schmoloff

 

[PedalUma]

he knows how to fall correctly

He knows how to roll-off his bike. That is exactly what I did in my most recent crash at the beginning of the pandemic. I was in a rush to get a part like pads, and be back for an appointment. Lots of people were getting dogs or taking long dog walks with dogs who have never been out on MUPs and have ever seen bikes. This yearling boxer was on a twelve-foot leash and jumped on me. I crashed and rolled. I had symmetrical bruises across my entire body of every color from green to yellow, orange to purple, blue to red. That's why my friends called me rainbow man!

 

[Stefan Mikes]

The word "accident" contradicts the word "avoid". No one is able to predict an accident; or there would be no accidents in this best of the worlds.

Rohloff is for lamers who cannot use a derailleur

 

[teskow]

The word "accident" contradicts the word "avoid". No one is able to predict an accident; or there would be no accidents in this best of the worlds.

Rohloff is for lamers who cannot use a derailleur

Lamers? Please give us your definition of what you consider a lamer. Is it like stupid, dumb, lazy or what? Please tell us.

 

[PedalUma]

I really like internally geared hubs for some applications. The down side for me is that they are heavy particularly given their limited spread. And they can be very expensive. I purchased a IGH bike for $150 used and sold it in two days for a bunch while I was still converting it. I am reminded because I gave it a tune last week. Lots of Dutch bikes have internal gears, they are reliable and do not get dirty and chains can be stronger. This old Breezer has some Dutch features such as an upright position and a dynamo hub, rack and fenders. It has a throttle because I was thinking it would be for someone older than the owner, Jennifer. She is crazy for her bike and loves to show it off. It has a bow because she has a November Birthday and so it was a combo of Birthday and Christmas present from her husband. I love the turning trees along Kentucky Street in November.

 

[Gionnirocket]

Rohloff-Schmoloff

It may be a Schmoloff.... but it really is a nice piece of hardware.
And having used a derailleur successfully for +50 years it's still easy for me to appreciate the many advantages and it's refinement.
But as you can see... It's not for the simpletons.
Take for example the ones who admit to being in hundreds of accidents and can't foresee the risk in a precarious situation. I avoid accidents all the time as I've learned from past experiences and easily avoid being in a similar situation. And I like to take chances and push when I ride.. but I recognize my limits as well as those of the bike.
Hey, but that's just me... I guess I'm not a no_one

 

[DDBB]

Put a bafang ultra on that bike!

 

[Tom@WashDC]

Rohloff is for lamers who cannot use a derailleur

Them's fightin' words my man!

 

[Gionnirocket]

I really like internally geared hubs for some applications. The down side for me is that they are heavy particularly given their limited spread. And they can be very expensive. I purchased a IGH bike for $150 used and sold it in two days for a bunch while I was still converting it. I am reminded because I gave it a tune last week. Lots of Dutch bikes have internal gears, they are reliable and do not get dirty and chains can be stronger. This old Breezer has some Dutch features such as an upright position and a dynamo hub, rack and fenders. It has a throttle because I was thinking it would be for someone older than the owner, Jennifer. She is crazy for her bike and loves to show it off. It has a bow because she has a November Birthday and so it was a combo of Birthday and Christmas present from her husband. I love the turning trees along Kentucky Street in November.

Rohloff has more than an adequate spred as well as being nicely spaced. One gear often takes care of headwinds and you can drop 5 for a hill in a blink. Not to mention that the first few gears will climb a tree. I rarely use my 14...but when I do I'm over 30 mph

 

[PedalUma]

It may be a Schmoloff.... but it really is a nice piece of hardware.
And having used a derailleur successfully for +50 years it's still easy for me to appreciate the many advantages and it's refinement.
But as you can see... It's not for the simpletons.
Take for example the ones who admit to being in hundreds of accidents and can't foresee the risk in a precarious situation. I avoid accidents all the time as I've learned from past experiences and easily avoid being in a similar situation. And I like to take chances and push when I ride.. but I recognize my limits as well as those of the bike.
Hey, but that's just me... I guess I'm not a no_one

Some people do not know how to listen to their intuition. It has evolved from many millions of years of accident avoidance and it works.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

I avoid accidents all the time

Until you don't and then we won't hear from you.

 

[Gionnirocket]

I've been praying the same....

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Lamers? Please give us your definition of what you consider a lamer. Is it like stupid, dumb, lazy or what? Please tell us.

Lamer is a person who doesn't understand what they are doing.
Like the person described by Uma who was always riding his e-bike in a single gear but only was changing the assistance.
If you want to stick to your definition, a lamer is a person too stupid or lazy to operate a derailleur, so they let Schmoloff think for them.
Which reminds me of one Johnny Bravo: 'Mexico... Mexico... Where is this darn Mexico?' while reading the map upside down

 

[PedalUma]

I thought it meant someone who is laminated.

 

[DDBB]

Curious if you Rholoff leaks oil and if the oil ever needs to be changed? Personally, I'd love to have one on my bike as constant chain maintenance is a PITA.. That said, I'm going on 2,000mi. on my 9 speed ultra powered bike on the original chain which has yet to stretch past .5