Electric Car thread

Why do you think it is "scary" for people that don't care for the EV "travelstyle" (not lifestyle).
Travelstyle was a computer assisted typo. Didn't catch it. Sometimes I think my autocorrect just like to screw around for amusement's sake.

I used the word scary because that's the word repeated to me (in a few conversations) from people who were interested in EVs, but lacking an understanding of them. That's all. Their verbiage, not mine.
 
Per this article, 83% of people in the US live in urban areas. For many of them, maybe EVs are the vehicle of choice given the short distances to work, play, and shopping. However, for those of us who live in what the elites call "fly-over" country, EVs are impractical given the current state of range and the re-chargeability of them. I hope the elites pause to remember that most of the food and raw materials for the US is produced in fly-over country. Those of us who work and live here often need to travel long distances to do the above.

Maybe someday EVs will become practical, but not now.
 
Your use of ‘elites’ and a few other limp expressions make your opinion ideological and just more of the ‘grievance’ BS decaying the country.
 
It is not ideological (nor BS) that California passed a ban on the sale of new gasoline powered vehicles then weeks later they tell people not to charge their EVs due to a shortage of electricity.
It is not ideological (nor BS) that the average electric car has a range less than 300 miles and a level 2 charging time of about 8 hours. This makes them impractical for the long drives that many in rural parts of the country need to routinely make.
It is not ideological (nor BS) that there are not enough charging stations in rural areas to support the wide-spread use of EVs in large portions of the country.

I truly believe that EVs are here to stay (unlike CNG vehicles from about 15 years ago), and they offer many advantages to the consumer. I am a believer in Moore's law and feel that the technological shortcomings will eventually be overcome.

For now, I'll stick with my previous comment: Maybe someday EVs will become practical, but they are not now for large portions of the country. If EVs work for you - Great! But they don't work for me at this time.
 
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Your use of ‘elites’ and a few other limp expressions make your opinion ideological and just more of the ‘grievance’ BS decaying the country.
And your infantile F Trump face mask and consistently "limp expressions" in many of your posts expose you as an ideologue.
 
It is not ideological (nor BS) that California passed a ban on the sale of new gasoline powered vehicles then weeks later they tell people not to charge their EVs due to a shortage of electricity.
It is not ideological (nor BS) that the average electric car has a range less than 300 miles and a level 2 charging time of about 8 hours. This makes them impractical for the long drives that many in rural parts of the country need to routinely make.
It is not ideological (nor BS) that there are not enough charging stations in rural areas to support the wide-spread use of EVs in large portions of the country.

I truly believe that EVs are here to stay (unlike CNG vehicles from about 15 years ago), and they offer many advantages to the consumer. I am a believer in Moore's law and feel that the technological shortcomings will eventually be overcome.

For now, I'll stick with my previous comment: Maybe someday EVs will become practical, but they are not now for large portions of the country. If EVs work for you - Great! But they don't work for me at this time.
I'll be on board when long promised aluminum ion batteries are being used in EVs and plug in hybrids, if they live up to claims (rather than proposals for new lithium ion battery factories). At some point I'd probably consider a plug in hybrid but my current ICE SUV and (diesel) truck are super reliable with combined mileage of over 360,000 miles and do everything I ask of them including a 500+ mile single tank range for the truck. Last time I filled up the truck it took <5 minutes to fill while I cleaned the windows. I had driven over 450 miles and still had 1/4 tank of fuel left in the tank. I'm not interested in having to "chill" at a charge station waiting for an EV to charge as in a previous post.
When the geopolitical climate calms down fuel prices will drop as they always have in the past despite dire claims to the contrary. The ban on sales of new ICE vehicles are based on ideological wishful thinking, largely hoping for technology that isn't currently available.
People living in high density population centers need to abandon their addiction to cars and embrace mass transit - that isn't likely to happen because they want the same old cars and trucks but in a guilt free package.

Que the new/proposed Delorean EV. Something that even the elite can love. All of the bling and none of the guilt (at least in their minds). Something that DeCaprio can drive to the airport to board his private jet taking him to accept his next environmental advocacy award.
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And your infantile F Trump face mask and consistently "limp expressions" in many of your posts expose you as an ideologue.
No…I’m not an ideologue…just an old service-connected vet farmer, well educated despite my dirty hands, living amongst creationists, seditionists, Hardcore Trumpists…well YOU get the picture. Unfortunately the country I love is being destroyed by weaponized ignorance wielded by a traitorous grifter. This quote made half a century ago is more true than ever.

Isaac Asimov: "there is a cult of ignorance in the US, and there always has been.....nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
 
I’m not an ideologue
living amongst creationists, seditionists, Hardcore Trumpists…well YOU get the picture. Unfortunately the country I love is being destroyed by weaponized ignorance wielded by a traitorous grifter

Your words betray you. :)

You be you.
 
The F...Trump and FJB people are simply isomers of each other, too blinded by malice to recognize their own hypocrisy.
Sorry M, your protest doesn't change what you have shown yourself to be.
 
I have over 200k miles on my 2008 SUV. My wife drives a 2000 SUV, similar miles. They both run great. It's far cheaper to buy gasoline (and maintenance) compared to the price of a new EV. It's fun to own new toys and I'd certainly not refuse an EV if someone offered it to me, but I don't see myself buying one in my lifetime.

Besides, I hope to tow a travel trailer in retirement and my favorite place to camp is out in the sticks, far from people (and charging stations). EV wouldn't be practical for me anyway.
 
I truly believe that EVs are here to stay (unlike CNG vehicles from about 15 years ago), and they offer many advantages to the consumer. I am a believer in Moore's law and feel that the technological shortcomings will eventually be overcome.

For now, I'll stick with my previous comment: Maybe someday EVs will become practical, but they are not now for large portions of the country. If EVs work for you - Great! But they don't work for me at this time.
That's about the sum of it for the majority of people I talk to here in Australia. Cheaper cars, better range and faster and more plentiful charging will address a lot of the anxiety around EV's. V2G is also a non-negotiable for our household to consider an EV if and when the time comes to replace our car. There's always going to be holdouts, as there are with those that insist on owning, say, manual transmissions, big capacity muscle cars, etc. And, as maligned as they are in some political circles, it's also policy decisions like in California, much of the EU and locally in several Australian states that move the needle forward in terms of cost and infrastructure. I'm optimistic about the shift.
 
Maybe we will see some of Micah Tolls awesome Chinese EVs around, theres a few of those things that make sense. Every time I pickup my rechargeable tools it makes me happy, no cord, no ICE to spool up, with the brushless ones no ozone to contend with. People will have to get over it ,the age of the rechargeable Electric is here, I have never had a fire from any battery-powered device ever, some of the old timers didn't like rechargeable tools because they heard of battery fires burning a house down,Hockey!
One day I will probably own an EV car or truck, not to save the environment, no, because its better.
Dude electric vehicles require Gas /oil/coal to be made . How we going to fly anywhere . Or talk online ? Electric as a total way of life won't happen because we don't have the infrastructure to support it . The govt's worldwide are putting the cart before the horse.
 
Dude electric vehicles require Gas /oil/coal to be made . How we going to fly anywhere . Or talk online ?
The elephant in the room is the fact that petrochemical industry rides on the back of the petrofuel industry. Only 15% percent of a barrel of crude oil is used for petrochemicals, which in turn are used to make anything from plastic to make-up to medicine. As the need for petrofuel declines, more and more of the burden for production, distribution, and refinement of crude oil will fall on the petrochemical industry. Basic economics will dictate that the costs of petrochemicals will increase.

https://petroleumservicecompany.com/blog/oil-barrel-42-gallon-breakdown/

As my dad would say, "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."
 
Dude! it takes heat to create electricity it doesn't have to come from fossil fuels-the future is increasingly EV! One day perhaps the ZP energy will be a thing if allowed as was with Tesla as was with the gift after the "Trinity Nuclear test" we were shown the way out, (but it is too hard to meter.) Tesla(Nikola was on the cusp of all this He was even in limited communication with these "beings" the "Airship ' fiasco fell on its ear as well.
Mankind reminds me of the three chances that were given to a Man to be rescued from the Floodwaters( Man of great faith) Our salvation may come from a direction we didn't expect.
Can you name me a Green energy part . That goes into electric or solar anything that doesn't require traditional power sources to produce the parts ? I have no problem with battery operated vehicles . What I have a Problem with is cutting off the old before the New is anywhere near solvent . All based on a lie that Human's are destroying the planet with fossil fuels . One volcano spewing ash creates more carbon emissions then all humans have throughout all time . Not to mention that what happened with Nordstream released 1000 times more environmental green house gases . Then we could do with Fossil fuel for a million lifetimes . This is my problem . The technology is great and Impressive . Butttt the politics and narrative forcing us in that direction seemingly overnight is all based on lies ,
Absolutely destroying the supply chain worldwide and the economy with it .
Lastly the only salvation coming for Humanity is Christ Returning . Which sadly will not be salvation for most .
 
https://principia-scientific.com/new-discovery-nasa-study-proves-carbon-dioxide-cools-atmosphere/

https://everythingclimate.wpcomstaging.com/tipping-point-1-5-degrees-celsius-warming/

There are a wide variety of differing ideas and views in the scientific community on the issue of man-made climate change. Any claim of consensus is illusory.
Be wary of your sources. One is a publication with a reputation for pushing fringe views, the other a partisan blog. Which is fine. But not evidence of rife disagreement on the topic among the scientific community.

I dunno, the scientists in my world seem to have a reasonable consensus on the science and the need for urgent action. It's a little chilling talking to some of them, actually. Given I'm never going to publish a peer reviewed study on the science I'll take my odds deferring to the majority.
 
IMO, there is not much disagreement on climate change. Where the problem comes is in attributing cause. It gets magnified when scientists (see above) act like politicians, and politicians act like scientists.
 
Be wary of your sources. One is a publication with a reputation for pushing fringe views
It links to the NASA report. I'm always cautious about what Principia says. Not for your reason, but because I am aware of some of their errors and overstatements.
I dunno, the scientists in my world seem to have a reasonable consensus on the science
Which is actually a problem and one sign of that scientific field's almost 100% political corruption, which is not a blessing.
 
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