Stefan Mikes
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You must be an alone person.
Moving Away From Heavy E-Bikes
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linklemming
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I find total wh (per ride) used super useful. This of course only works if you have fully charged the battery and reset the wh used.
Use whatever works for you, voltage is the simplest and most reliable. I hated it initially but understand it now.
linklemming
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How on earth did you come up with that conclusion?
Im not the one validating myself with strava? or with 14k+ posts on EBR (including posting pics of myself everywhere). Stop projecting and get a life man!
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I really enjoy solitary rides ,and pay very little attention to distance travelled or time taken . In fact the perfect ride has me giggling within the first few corners and so long as I make it back without injury I'm happy. It's a bonus if the last pedal stroke still has motor support, but the levo sl rides well without the motor so that's not a deal breaker for me.
Is this a character flaw?
Stefan Mikes
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Your choice.
My feeling is MTBers are indeed solitary people (but I could be wrong).
Any answer on the voltage interpretation?
Have you tried BLEvo yet?
Your choice.
My feeling is MTBers are indeed solitary people (but I could be wrong).
Any answer on the voltage interpretation?
Have you tried BLEvo yet?
I have a basic understanding of v interpretation, but zero interest in using it myself - it's not relevant to me because mt body runs out of range before the bike.
No, I haven't bothered with blevo, again not relevant. I haven't even connected / updated my mission control this year....possibly baggage because the giant crapp was so dysfunction back in 2018 and I learnt to ride without paying attention to numbers ? Or perhaps I'm enjoying the fuss free levo with just few few bars to remind be the bike could still manage a longer ride?
btw, most mtb riders do group rides - it's partly for safety but also for the whole shared experience thing. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy riding with mates and my kids. But I LOVE the freedom of hitting the trails at my own pace with no commitments or expectations.
Stefan Mikes
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You do not need to fully charge the battery to find out the total Wh consumption per a ride. You do not need voltage either.
This is disregarding how much the batteries were charged at the start of the ride, how much degraded they were, and how many were used in any order.
Are you sure you need any voltage information? The blue graph starts at 150% (main battery + extender). You can see at what distance the Range Extenders were replaced. (Ride distance is in km).
The data are from a club ride of 112 km (70 mi) on the Vado SL (I completed the ride last because of a calf cramp). I rode for 128 km (79.6 mi) on that day.
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Stefan, why the stava obsession?
I tried signing up once in the hope it'd be a usefull tracking ( safety) tool, but I quickly realised it was useless where I ride - limitted mobile reception.
How does it help you to know the stats? Are you aiming at personal growth? If so, surely any ride where you went out is a bonus? Does the electronic device really give more information re effort than, eg, the muscle fatigue or butt pain?
There are days I struggle to start a ride - after a hard night on call where the caffeine doesn't cut it, or I'm recovering from yet another challenge to my immune system. On those days, an hour of drifting through the trees does far more good than 2 grinding away at the cranks. But I'm not going to beat myself up if I decide to unwind on the motorbike or go for a sail instead. Then there are days I'll manage all 3 and still need professional psychological support.....or just a good hug from she who tolerates my quirks.
Am I missing some part of the human experience? Perhaps my religious ( fanatical?) needs are not being met without the daily strava ritual? Or perhaps my job provides enough cognitive challenge so I don't desire extra ride data?
I tried signing up once in the hope it'd be a usefull tracking ( safety) tool, but I quickly realised it was useless where I ride - limitted mobile reception.
How does it help you to know the stats? Are you aiming at personal growth? If so, surely any ride where you went out is a bonus? Does the electronic device really give more information re effort than, eg, the muscle fatigue or butt pain?
There are days I struggle to start a ride - after a hard night on call where the caffeine doesn't cut it, or I'm recovering from yet another challenge to my immune system. On those days, an hour of drifting through the trees does far more good than 2 grinding away at the cranks. But I'm not going to beat myself up if I decide to unwind on the motorbike or go for a sail instead. Then there are days I'll manage all 3 and still need professional psychological support.....or just a good hug from she who tolerates my quirks.
Am I missing some part of the human experience? Perhaps my religious ( fanatical?) needs are not being met without the daily strava ritual? Or perhaps my job provides enough cognitive challenge so I don't desire extra ride data?
Ah....much is explained by your nov data.
" Biker" ?
This might be getting lost in translation, but does strava group rides make you into a 1% er?
Disturbing thought derailment for the day.....KOM takes on a whole new meaning if you think rebel motorbike culture. I'm visualizing a lycra clad stavist pumping pedals to meat loaf " get out on the highway" whilst secretly identifying with eddie mercury riding his bicycle
" Biker" ?
This might be getting lost in translation, but does strava group rides make you into a 1% er?
Disturbing thought derailment for the day.....KOM takes on a whole new meaning if you think rebel motorbike culture. I'm visualizing a lycra clad stavist pumping pedals to meat loaf " get out on the highway" whilst secretly identifying with eddie mercury riding his bicycle
Stefan Mikes
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- It is a part of my life history, Memories good & bad. (As you can see, now I recollected the November ride with the calf cramp, completing the ride plan while my faster buddies actually shortened their ride!)
- It is a great bike maintenance tool. If you care about it, you know how many km you have ridden on a given chain, cassette, chainring, brake pads. For any bike you own.
- It is a social medium. Not for the lone wolves for sure.
- It is a great motivational tool.
- It gives you access to the routes already ridden by other members: saving on route planning, warning about weak points of the given route.
- The pictures are placed on the map where they were taken. Identifying Points Of Interest.
If Strava helps me recollecting the calf cramp of 12th of November 2022 then I am sure I would remember the weekend of 25-26th March 2023 very well. Sore butt in the first place!
(Taking pictures and posting them helps, too).I use a Wahoo ELEMNT Roam v2 connected to a Specialized e-bike as an e-bike display, navigation, and ride recorder. You do not need any mobile reception for that. The ride data are uploaded to Strava post-ride, at any convenient moment.
Certainly, my morning and evening reading about my Strava friends adventures is more enjoyable than watching yet another Netflix series
Besides, there are EBR Forum members who left the Forum but remain my friends on Strava. And yes, they are riding. Or, skiing
The cyclist's effort. Your friend Paolo Dozzio from the EMTB Forum is not proficient with English
I cannot understand?
@PDoz, I will revert with another question:
Why your EMTB forum fascination?
Gionnirocket
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Surprising thing is, I’ve found my knees to get stronger and bother me less, after switching to SS
linklemming
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Of course you dont stefanie, total wh per ride is not a function of the battery charge but of the amount of energy used during the ride. Thanks for clarifying the obvious
You do need to recharge the battery fully if you want to use the wh used to figure out how much battery you have left for your current ride. Most likey also needed for the battery% you tout as 'essential' (assuming % is based off wh used/wh of battery)
Using % is great if you only have 1 or 2 ebikes with same or similar capacities. Otherwise there is math going on in your head which might as well be voltage
If voltage doesnt work for you, so be it. You are not the authority for everyone on EBR
Personally, for me, wh used is the best metric with volts as a backup.
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linklemming
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I am an alone person, its the only thing worth living for
Gionnirocket
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I often ride alone which I prefer. Great to be without distraction and noise. Usually when I ride it's to completely forget about my responsibilities for a while and enjoy nature while I get the heart pumping.I am an alone person, its the only thing worth living for
I have zero desire to, nor does riding in a group of spandex sausages motivate me. On occasion I do compete, but with myself. I do so by trying to return home with more battery capacity then on previous rides. But there's no reason to document it or publish it as part of some online circle_jerk.
An occasional ride with others is ok as well, especially if we make some stops on a nice day... but it's nothing I prefer to do often.
I've noticed that about 50% of riders do so alone in my area.
- It is a great bike maintenance tool. If you care about it, you know how many km you have ridden on a given chain, cassette, chainring, brake pads. For any bike you own.
You do not need any mobile reception for that. The ride data are uploaded to Strava post-ride, at any convenient moment.
Why your EMTB forum fascination?
You almost had me with the maintenance point, then I realized not all km are the same! I've had single day rides that destroyed a set of disc pads vs the months I usually get. I guess by the nature of mtb riding , km become less relevant than conditions.
I think we have a different use for tracking - for me, a tracking device is for safety, it records and transmits my position during a ride. The main purpose is so my wife / emergency services know where to start looking if I don't return as planned. Similar to being able to use " find my phone". I have limited mobile reception where I ride , so strava isn't any use ( my garmin inreach mini uses iridium sat phone signals )
Emtb fascination? Nah, not me. I very much prefer this place for the entertainment / people here. But unfortunately when I need advice re mountain bikes I need to visit a more mtb specific forum.
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I personally have no need for Strava and manage fine without it. That being said, if it works for others then all the power.
As for MTBers being loners, that all depends. My winter rides are mainly solitary for the exact reasons @PDoz mentioned (no commitments or expectations) or with a couple of buddies on the local singles during the summer months. As a trio, we’re pretty much all at the same skill level which bodes well for our expectations of each other. I’m also a member of a group based out of Calgary, AB called the Shred Collective that organizes group rides (many at night) in the mountains of Bragg Creek, Canmore, and Banff, AB. I have yet to join in on one of their wintry get togethers as most up to now have been focused on fat biking in some pretty rad locations plus it also involves sometimes up to a three hour one-way drive to the trailheads for me.
With longer days from here on in I look forward to connecting with the group not only for the comradery but it’s also helpful to ride with others who are familiar with the trails. Safety in numbers as they say particularly when it comes to back wood rides.
Edit: I realize this thread is about moving away from heavy ebikes but I merely wanted to make a point.
Stefan Mikes
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Fair enough! Strava is more a place for roadies, gravel cyclists, adventure riders, runners, hikers and skiers but also (surprise!) windsurfers. People riding bicycles for distances certainly appreciate the maintenance log. Of course, one of the primary functions of Strava is tracking performance & fitness data, which is meaningless for e-bikers. As all the functionality of Strava I need is free, I actually cancelled my subscription there. (I started a subscription of RideWithGPS for its perfect Route Planner and its advanced options).
Just for a mention: many people spend their winters e-cycling, that is, virtual group rides on their own bikes set onto a modern trainer and running software such as Zwift. Strava records their effort but separates it from outdoor riding, (The thing is not for me).
Still, it is so nice to see one of the EBR Forum member bravely pedalling his Vado SL almost unpowered (with all the BLEvo data); another member riding distances and heights on his ultralightweight road bike daily. Canadian members on their eMTB rides. A forum complainer actually riding his Vado at high speed. Another complainer who gave up bicycles but is pedalling on a trainer. The active Forum member who is constantly riding, alone or with his wife. A former Forum member who noticed the return of ospreys to his city just yesterday. And so on.
Forum members come and go; some die. If you see a person on Strava, you know they are alive and active. I learned about the bad accident of the most funny former member of EBR from Strava. I could see how he was recovering, how he regained his strength by growingly long lightweight traditional bike trips; how he bought a DTC e-bike; how he recovered the premium e-MTB damaged in the accident, had it repaired and started riding it again. He will not return to the Forum. We talk everyday on Strava.
You live in an unusual country. Where the mobile coverage is good... My brother made a sharp turn on his e-MTB on wet pavement by the Warsaw Mermaid and crashed. His Garmin worked: The son called my brother: "Dad, are you alright?"
The reason I'm these Fora is a big group of nice people riding e-bikes. The thugs are all on Ignore
I learned a lot from EBR Forums, taking advice also from you. You might be interested to know my brother is passively reading the EMTB Forums, using an online translator. He's learning there, too!
Stefan Mikes
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It is always the same trolls who derail my threads
Not you or PDoz of course.
Stefan Mikes
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I have proved my different e-bikes of the same brand provide accurate information about the battery consumption per a ride disregarding the battery number and charge.
How would you interpret the voltage information for the 100% charged battery I showed before? Perhaps I can learn something from you.
And you might wonder why so many people switched to e-bikes because of knee issuesSurprising thing is, I’ve found my knees to get stronger and bother me less, after switching to SS
A friend of mine who is just 41 and cycling said she had big issues with knees and had to stop her cycling for a month. I offered one of my e-bikes to her to resolve the issue. Her answer was:
- I'm not riding e-bikes; it's the ideology thing for me
- It is not about pedalling but the road vibration on my legs.
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