What's your dream ebike?

[Mr. Coffee]

An e-bike with theft protection
How about some login to battery and/or motor?
Go ahead and criticize the idea

Actually it is simpler than that.

If you had to pair batteries with the bike and with the charger (probably with software that a dealer would have) all you'd have to do is keep a registry of the serial numbers of stolen bikes. Presumably someone with a stolen bike would have to purchase a charger to use the bike, so they'd go to a bike shop and have to give the bike's serial number, at which point the bike would be identified as stolen and could then be recovered.

 

[Feliz]

Actually it is simpler than that.

If you had to pair batteries with the bike and with the charger (probably with software that a dealer would have) all you'd have to do is keep a registry of the serial numbers of stolen bikes. Presumably someone with a stolen bike would have to purchase a charger to use the bike, so they'd go to a bike shop and have to give the bike's serial number, at which point the bike would be identified as stolen and could then be recovered.

Ahh, you were/are a cop?

 

[Mr. Coffee]

Ahh, you were/are a cop?

No.

 

[DDBB]

I've read a fair amount of complaints about Magura hydaulic disc brakes. Not sure if it's all models or only lower spec setups.. My shimano BR-M8000's have been wonderful and I'm pretty sure they are not anywhere near top of the line

 

[Feliz]

No.

Well your idea was a good one! Something should/could easily be done but of course the manufacturers have no interest in preventing bike theft.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

Well your idea was a good one! Something should/could easily be done but of course the manufacturers have no interest in preventing bike theft.

I had the charger fail on my Pedego last year and when ordering it this all occurred to me...

I know that some of the very high-end custom bicycle makers in the states do try to keep track of who has their bikes and since they are often unique and highly personalized they do assist in recovering the bikes.

One other thing that would be nice is that on custom, high-end bikes they should engrave (or probably even better mill) something like "Custom Made in Corvallis, OR for Mister Coffee" on the bottom bracket where they put the serial number and on some other part of the frame that is hard to get to (e.g. on the inside of the chain stay on the drive side). If it was milled into the frame it would be harder for a bike thief to remove or obscure.

 

[PaD]

A bike that handles like the Specialized Vado I had this summer (a 4.0, size M).
I would like my new Vado to have tubeless rims and tires, a little less wide and maybe a bit higher handlebar.
A rear rack with round tubing ( and maybe a little bit stronger supported than OEM).
Front light mounted low so I can have a handlebar bag. Display not sticking out to much so handlebar bag fits closer handlebar.
Blutooth connectivity for smartphone and app for power settings etc.
USB outlet for powering a gps or smartphone.
Weight should be max 45lb.
Battery/motor/charger should be ”paired” as suggested above by Mr.Coffee to prevent unauthorized use.
Theft alarm
My dreambike seems to always need a larger battery. Now that I have a new Vado within reach ( well it really costs to much...) with a 604Wh battery, suddenly my dreambike want the 700Wh from the Levo
edit
Almost forgot - I would like my bike motor to support up to 20mph.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

That is a really interesting bike, and ticks off a few of the features that I think need improving in the Charger (mainly the racking -- the racks look like Tubus racks but the narrative indicates otherwise). I also like that there are bottle cage mounts, although if it were my bike I'd use at least one to mount a frame pump.

Maybe not as stealthy as you requested but the Rennstahl 853 E-Reiserad Rohloff E-14 is pretty neat.
https://www.radfahren.de/test-technik/rennstahl-853-e-reiserad-rohloff/

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[linklemming]

So far, for me, anything I would want already exists. Im more into the MTB side of things and tend to favor mid-drives but see where a hub drive would work better for higher speed road stuff and commuting. About the only thing I would want is less $$. A turbo levo for $3k would be perfect for me.

What I would like to see is more DIY options. Prior to my ebike, I built my last 3 MTBs from the frame up. Not really the most cost effective but I get exactly what I want.

1.) Some sort of mid-drive frame standard so I could buy a ebike mid-drive frame and select my own mid drive motor(which MUST have torque sensor) and controller system.
2.) A better high quality mid-drive kit to fit current bikes. A bafang BBS02 would be ideal for me if it had a torque sensor. Im currently putting together a Tongsheng TSDZ2 system with opensource software on a bike. From what I can tell, its exactly what I want although it will definately be noisier than the brose motor on my current ebike. Quality and long term reliability is questionable.
3.) A quality geared hub-drive torque sensing system. Basically what is on juiced bikes in a kit. For the price though, a juiced bikes crosscurent is perfect IMHO although I have no use case to justify buying one.

 

[steve mercier]

I've read a fair amount of complaints about Magura hydaulic disc brakes. Not sure if it's all models or only lower spec setups.. My shimano BR-M8000's have been wonderful and I'm pretty sure they are not anywhere near top of the line

Ihave been told that some Magura brakes have a nasty polluting fluid ,as oppeosed to the more enviro friendly stuff that shimano uses ...anybody know about that?

 

[Alaskan]

They are both mineral oil. Magura dyes theirs blue and brands it "royal blood".

Mineral oil is a petroleum distillate, made from non-renewable substance and does not biodegrade well.

Common uses are brake fluid, power steering fluid, baby lotion and taken internally as a laxative.

The only significant, post production harm to the environment comes from leakage and improper disposal.

 

[steve mercier]

They are both mineral oil. Magura dyes theirs blue and brands it "royal blood".

Mineral oil is a petroleum distillate, made from non-renewable substance and does not biodegrade well.

Common uses are brake fluid, power steering fluid, baby lotion and taken internally as a laxative.

The only significant, post production harm to the environment comes from leakage and improper disposal.

very good sir! I was told some brands use Dot which is worse than mineral oil ...my son says dot will remove paint if spilled on a frame?

 

[Alaskan]

very good sir! I was told some brands use Dot which is worse than mineral oil ...my son says dot will remove paint if spilled on a frame?

Dot will only harm finish (or skin) if left on. If it is cleaned up promptly, no problem. It is more caustic.

 

[Dmitri]

Both mineral oil and dot fluid are nasty and terrible for the environment. Also I don't know how to dispose of it properly other than flushing is slowly down the toilet. Dot fluid is less likely to freeze in winter, but in my experience at −20°C mineral oil works just fine... I get failures in other components (e.g., Rohloff hub) but not in the brakes. Also dot fluid is easier to get because it's used in cars and motorcycles so you can just get 1L of it anywhere and it will last you a lifetime. Also: you can rebleed brakes made for mineral fluid with dot fluid. It's rarely necessary but possible if you need brakes for extreme cold. (Or you could just install mechanical brakes.)

 

[tompat]

Full-suspension aesthetically appearing
I like the classic bike look and all full-suspension bikes with rear racks just look plain ugly or super-weird. If there was a magical way to achieve full-suspension with the classical look, I'd buy it.

Seems the magic exists. I stumbled upon the Moustasche Samedi 27 Xroad FS-series bikes.
They are full suspension and still have a very likeable design.

 

[Dmitri]

Seems the magic exists. I stumbled upon the Moustasche Samedi 27 Xroad FS-series bikes.
They are full suspension and still have a very likeable design.

For me, Riese & Muller solved the dual sus+rack problem, their Delite model being perhaps the best example.
What people don't realize is how much better the R&M rear swingarm is at absorbing bumps compared to the bridge-based suspension like the Moustache below.
The bridge suspension is slow to react and not as responsive. In short, it's simply not as smooth, and this is by design. The R&M bikes simply fold in half, there is no pivot, so the experience when hitting bumps on the rear is leagues better.

 

[Over50]

The Ampler Stout is pretty close to a dream urban commuter for me. Looks a lot like my Spot. But its not quite there because I'd prefer a belt drive coupled with an IGH which I suppose means it would have some sort of mid-drive motor rather than a hub - or a mid drive IGH coupled with a rear hub motor (doubling the price to the Desiknio Pinion below). Add suspension seatpost and vibration dampening bars or stem to this Ampler for me:

This Desiknio Pinion needs rear rack, fenders, lighting, suspension seat post and I'll take more of a rise in the stem:

 

[Dmitri]

My ideal ebike, since I am the one who started this thread:

• Dual-suspension with rack (like R&M Delite)
• Fatbike tires — either 26/4 or 24/5 (!) on wide rims
• Yamaha mid-drive motor
• 2kWh of battery power (this is like 4 ordinary Bosch/Yamaha packs)
• Front and rear integrated lights; rear light brake-sensitive, but...
• Non-Magura brakes. Cannot live with their insane modulation. Shimano Saint probably
• Rohloff E-14-like hub (yeah I know they're Bosch-only right now)
• Fox Factory fatbike-specific fork, possibly dual-crown (this doesn't exist, sadly)

My crazy "everything is possible" ideal bike:

• Same as above, but quad suspension (yes, quad)
• Four wheels (2 front 2 rear) close distance from one another
• Each fat wheel on its own Lefty hub
• Rear wheels have two separate swingarms, each with its own shock
• Extended rear (a la Salsa Blackborow) in order to use a mid-drive to split into two cogs/chains for each wheel
• Front fork with articulation (see Yamaha Niken)
• 24/4 tires
• Electronic stabilizer control; this is required in order for bike to operate correctly when just one wheel hits an obstacle, goes on ice, etc.
• Ludicrous amount of lithium and all the good stuff it brings (integrated lights, USB chargers, etc.)

 

[drewberz]

my ideal:
-carbon fiber frame
-endurance bike geometry
-carbon fiber fork
-eyelets throughout
-drop-bar
-dropper post
-hydraulic brakes (180mm front, 160 rear)
-1X12 gears
-Brose motor (I rode this once and liked the power delivery the best) w/torque sensor
-real life 100+mile range
-<30lbs.
-thru-axles front/rear
-carbon hoops built tough
-di2
-droid/iphone compatible (most people have a really powerful phone, so those should be leveraged)
-racks/fenders front/rear (optional)
-lights front/rear (optional and high powered)
-35mm+ tires

 

[Over50]

Titanium trekking anyone? This is a pretty bike. Weird though the website doesn't say anything in the specs about the motor and battery. Perhaps a brand new offering:

https://www.pilotcycles.com/bikes/e-bike/