The Tariff Questions?

[PedalUma]

I just thought of an interesting topic to add to the thread as someone mentioned exporting domestically produced guns as aid. Baseball in the US has a kind of government subsidy in the form of a monopoly. That subsidy is very valuable. Protecting US arms manufacturers from all lawsuits when they are producing a domestically costly product to society is also a subsidy. They do not pay for funerals, ER visits, surgeries, rehab, and other expenses caused by their deadly products. We all do. It is like when we subsidized tobacco production. Sidebar: Amendments are amendable, such as the 19th. When we send a fighter plane to Ukraine as aid, our contractors and workers get paid, and achieve economies of scale, and the Ukrainians then do all the dirty work of fighting Putin for us.

 

[gorse]

Tariff inflation is inevitable. China has four times as many toolmakers as the US, so home manufacturing will be a long way off...

 

[m@Robertson]

I suppose that is good in the eyes of an Economist. Not so much using logic like an Engineer would.

Or maybe its the difference between being a talker and a do'er. I suspect other people can use logic too, and then do something with the result when the time comes. Its easy to just bitch on the internet.

 

[kevinmccune]

I just thought of an interesting topic to add to the thread as someone mentioned exporting domestically produced guns as aid. Baseball in the US has a kind of government subsidy in the form of a monopoly. That subsidy is very valuable. Protecting US arms manufacturers from all lawsuits when they are producing a domestically costly product to society is also a subsidy. They do not pay for funerals, ER visits, surgeries, rehab, and other expenses caused by their deadly products. We all do. It is like when we subsidized tobacco production. Sidebar: Amendments are amendable, such as the 19th. When we send a fighter plane to Ukraine as aid, our contractors and workers get paid, and achieve economies of scale, and the Ukrainians then do all the dirty work of fighting Putin for us.

have you read"beating guns" by Claiborne and Martin? an interesting take on the "gun" problem,it is obvious that less guns equal less death by gun and the good ol' US leads the world in death by gun per capita.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

The Federal Government should not be involved in (pay into) things that favor or disfavor any person, group, community, state, etc.

So basically we should undo the last 150+ years? Although arguably one way or the other governments do exactly that all the time.

 

[Roamers]

So basically we should undo the last 150+ years? Although arguably one way or the other governments do exactly that all the time.

Yes. There is a very small list of things the Federal Government should be doing. As you can see, by getting involved where they shouldn't, the Federal Government has bloated. "Sticking to the knitting" would be a great idea.

I haven't had a chance to do it yet, but look at the timeline for "Government Departments" starting. Started out following the Constitution; slowly bloated to where it shouldn't have. The list will be my gift to the DOGE.

 

[jabberwocky]

Yes. There is a very small list of things the Federal Government should be doing. As you can see, by getting involved where they shouldn't, the Federal Government has bloated. "Sticking to the knitting" would be a great idea.

I haven't had a chance to do it yet, but look at the timeline for "Government Departments" starting. Started out following the Constitution; slowly bloated to where it shouldn't have. The list will be my gift to the DOGE.

This is so silly that its hard to believe its an actual argument in good faith. Though it would be completely hilarious if they, like, dismantled social security and stopped infrastructure spending entirely in rural areas (which will never return the money spent in economic activity) and actually followed this to its logical conclusion.

 

[Roamers]

This is so silly that its hard to believe its an actual argument in good faith. Though it would be completely hilarious if they, like, dismantled social security and stopped infrastructure spending entirely in rural areas (which will never return the money spent in economic activity) and actually followed this to its logical conclusion.

Although SS is one of the bigger federal gov't follies, the Federal gov't would need to finish repaying the trust fund, than let payments decrease. Since SS (and Medicare) are self funded, it is different than income tax funded programs.

Obviously states would need to pick up programs that they were responsible for before the federal gov't stuck their nose in. Fed income tax goes down, state taxes increase as needed by each state.

Not really rocket science when one applies logic rather than emotion.

 

[m@Robertson]

Once again, the world's problems turn out to have easy solutions that for some reason have been totally overlooked. All you have to do is go to a forum on the internet... and learn the secrets of the universe.

 

[Roamers]

Once again, the world's problems turn out to have easy solutions that for some reason have been totally overlooked. All you have to do is go to a forum on the internet... and learn the secrets of the universe.

All you have to do is not be a politician trying to figure out how to be reelected! Just think how much better US could be if politicians cared about the country as much as they cared about themselves.

 

[Roamers]

Back on topic.

MSN

"Oxford Economics estimated a 60% China tariff could boost U.S. inflation by 0.7 percentage points, and across-the-board tariffs would boost inflation by 0.3 points. Oxford believes any tariffs would be gradually introduced, but some analysts are worried about a shock effect."

Boo hoo 1% inflation increase with proposed tariffs.

 

[m@Robertson]

All you have to do is not be a politician trying to figure out how to be reelected! Just think how much better US could be if politicians cared about the country as much as they cared about themselves.

We're screwed on that front.

 

[PedalUma]

We're screwed on that front.

We are so screwed on that front with a guy who will say anything to get elected and only cares about himself. Gov has always favored minority groups to lift them up with things such a rural electrification and rural mail delivery. Things that no hedge fund would touch but never-the-less are good for the people of the nation. Economics is a social science just like Geography. Who thinks a policy of pulling the rug out from under the rural agg and construction labor force will favor those living there? Who is going to tear off your old roof, milk the cows, or pick the vegies?

 

[Roamers]

Who thinks a policy of pulling the rug out from under the rural agg and construction labor force will favor those living there? Who is going to tear off your old roof, milk the cows, or pick the vegies?

If they are hiring illegals, the business owners should be penalized. There are more H-2A and B visas available than are used.

There are means to legally bring workers in.

 

[mschwett]

Yes. There is a very small list of things the Federal Government should be doing. As you can see, by getting involved where they shouldn't, the Federal Government has bloated. "Sticking to the knitting" would be a great idea.

I haven't had a chance to do it yet, but look at the timeline for "Government Departments" starting. Started out following the Constitution; slowly bloated to where it shouldn't have. The list will be my gift to the DOGE.

yep, super bloated. significantly less than 40 years ago. 4% of the population. try again, use some facts this time!

 

[kevinmccune]

This is so silly that its hard to believe its an actual argument in good faith. Though it would be completely hilarious if they, like, dismantled social security and stopped infrastructure spending entirely in rural areas (which will never return the money spent in economic activity) and actually followed this to its logical conclusion.

again we need "benign" socialism with the overtures of representative republic( we will never have a true democracy too many special interest groups- elect me as president-first year I will abolish triple a and special battery sizes,make universal USB sizes, bring back glass headlight covers( fun fact when volvo was producing the infamous yellowing opaque head light covers there was a glass replacement available) abolish lobbying,do away with pharma commercials,institute UBI,speed up immigration legality,annex Mexico and BC get a hold on runaway gov't reward for failure programs,abolish the do nothing depts.etc.Of course I realize I would be assassinated within 6wks,ah yes stop starting so many wars,

 

[Joe Yeti]

have you read"beating guns" by Claiborne and Martin? an interesting take on the "gun" problem,it is obvious that less guns equal less death by gun and the good ol' US leads the world in death by gun per capita.

Not even close; https://www.healthdata.org/news-events/insights-blog/acting-data/gun-violence-united-states-outlier

 

[kevinmccune]

excuse me 4 is greater then one ,uh.virgin islands and puerto rico dont count? what are you saying? your statement doesn't make sense most civilized countries have far less gun deaths per capita,you can cherry pick the the "narco states if you want to.
I believe in the 2nd amendment but it doesn't include mowing down school children with an AR. One gun nut I know of has a "street sweeper" does he really need it?,simply hell no, a good bolt action rifle with a magazine capacity of 3 rds is sufficient needs for most, people around here deer hunt with 338 winchester magnums, tell me why,those cannons are used by special ops,that's beside the point it just shows the craziness of gun love.

 

[Roamers]

yep, super bloated. significantly less than 40 years ago. 4% of the population. try again, use some facts this time!


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Nice new direction, # of people. Pretty sure we've been talking $. Is it possible for fewer people to spend more money? Swing, miss.

Fact: there is federal gov't spending that is not aligned with what the Constitution indicates they are assigned. Regardless of the number of people involved.

 

[Roamers]

elect me as president-first year I will abolish triple a and special battery sizes,make universal USB sizes, bring back glass headlight covers( fun fact when volvo was producing the infamous yellowing opaque head light covers there was a glass

The President of who cares or irrelevant in the big picture.