The Future of eBikes: How Fast is Too Fast?

Most bikes sold retail in California can be unlocked just by pushing a sequence of buttons on the display. Not the new Aventon Abound Short Rack (SR) cargo bike that has a bunch of smart features and comes in (purple) Haze metallic. I am part way through building one and just purchased electro-plate rainbow/oil slick pedals and a matching chain for it that arrive tomorrow. I will have those on before my boss comes in on Tuesday and won't say a thing. I am now glad that I did not finish the build as planned, so can now do these details. I did five guided demo rides yesterday and sold five bikes which took away from my build and service time. The quality of this bike is so very much better than bikes of just two years ago. For example, there are no weld marks, touch a button with a code and the dual kickstand locks down, disabling the bike.

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I hit 43km/h max on my cargo bike. That's me pushing it pedaling as hard as I can. I wish it had more gear. would love to be able to get to the local speed limit of 50. But it's overall fine. Most times I am just on power level 3 of 7 on my bike adding some effort to get some exercise while going to and from work or the store. Most times while leaving work it's on 7 though as I want to get home fast. ha ha.

I would love a suron to go out and hit the back country like I would use my old MX gas burner.
 
Heart-warming sight on yesterday's ride: A 13-something kid on a Surron getting a ticket. The kid's dejected look made me wonder if his decidedly illegal motorcycle was getting confiscated — a distinct possibilty in Carlsbad these days. Finally!

Maybe his parents will get him a legal ebike next time.
I agree on all counts, but that is used as ammunition against ebikes of all powers in the eyes of the haters.
 
It's not fair to single out the yahoos.. The googles and the bings piss me off too

I had to Google that.

I always where goggles but the only bing I've had is a shot of B12 in my ass. 😂
 

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I’ve been ebiking since before there were e-bikes. I’ve cut up and scrapped several e-bikes because they were getting dangerous. I know my limits and my bikes limits. Regretfully, many e-bikes/bikers don’t. So I can see the value of the speed limits but there has to be improvements. Puttering along on a paved roadway at 20mph is just to slow when traffic is alongside you are is doing 40.

The problem I have is with the general public going after just e-bikes. To my knowledge the speed limit on Illinois bike/walking paths is 15mph. While most of my bikes can easily double that I respect the limit as do most in my area. But no one ever calls out the “spandex boys”. You know the guys, they ride 3 or 4 across the roadway at 6mph blocking traffic on a Saturday afternoon. Or zoom past you on a trail while you’re already passing someone else. And their doing way over the 15mph limit. And they don’t even have the courtesy to offer a warning. I’m sure we have all encountered them.
 
The future of e-bikes in the US is the European blueprint: class 1 e-bikes, registered speed pedelecs, mopeds, motorcycles, etc.

The public actively despises "e-bikes" (the overpowered, unregistered moped and motorcycles made with bicycle parts). A crackdown is inevitable.
 
Finally saw the future of ebikes here in Illinois. Three youngsters, probably 14-15, legal age here is 16. Dressed in black. Nice helmets. Super73/Ariel style bikes. On sidewalk, safer than the street at this intersection. as the cars would have mowed them down. Gone in seconds. Fast, when you're only 90 pounds. Hope they stay safe.
 
One of the things a lot of people miss about the non-street-legal electric bikes is the liability issue.

On one side, if somebody hits you with a motor vehicle and injures you, chances are you are SOL on getting any compensation from them or their insurance because you were operating an illegal vehicle. To some extent that depends on the state though.

If you, god forbid, cause an accident with your illegal bike than you are in for a universe of pain and suffering. Chances are whatever insurance you have won't help you, and chances are when you get sued you will lose and lose badly. Given what even modest personal injury payouts can be chances are that you will lose your home and your retirement savings and be squeezed dry by lawyers. Oh, did I mention the legal fees you'll have to pay to defend yourself? Nobody will help you with those either.

So even if something isn't "enforceable" by a cop on the bike path you could still find yourself in a world of hurt when things go wrong. That also means if you bought an illegal bike for your precious little offspring to ride to school you could also be sued into the dirt.

For myself I'd rather pay fines and have my bike confiscated than be on the losing side of a personal injury lawsuit.

I had a conversation with my insurance agent about this yesterday. My homeowner's policy as well as my motor vehicle and umbrella liability policy are coming due, and I wanted to understand how I would be covered on my e-bike.

The issue is complicated, and results from the lack of uniform regulation and licensing. Since my e-bike is not a registered as a vehicle, it is not covered for liability under my vehicle insurance. Since it is operated outside of my home, it is not covered for liability outside of my home. Finally, the umbrella policy is supplemental to other policies, so if the e-bike isn't covered under another policy, it cannot be covered under the umbrella liability policy. The bottom line is, I'm not covered.

I could get a standalone policy from a company like Velosurance, but they have coverages I don't want or need, like theft, supplemental medical and for competitive events.

My concern is not theft or collision coverage. I can eat those costs. My concern is the little kid who jumps out in front of me on the MUP and I can't stop in time. I ride responsibly on them, slowing down while approaching other users, but an ambulance chaser will subpoena the data from my bike and make a case.

She offered to explore other carriers that might have e-bike specific coverage, but this would mean giving up my homeowner's insurance carrier. I live in a coastal area, and use a coastal-specific carrier because the main carriers are twice the cost and more. I'm not switching.

So, for now, I'm taking the risk. She said that she feels that this will be sorted out with regulation. I agree. She said that she is seeing the same thing with golf carts near the beach. Many are not street legal, so they cannot be registered and insured.

Time will tell. I absolutely hate unnecessary regulation, but I think uniform clarity is needed in our space.
 
My early Himiway cruiser I bought in 2019 didn't have much limitation on speed and I was able to reach 35mph pretty easy while pedaling. I've since gone to a mid-drive and its limit is 20 which is fine for me. I'm not one to want to go very fast unless I'm in traffic, which isn't very often. I get frustrated with those that exceed the 15mph trail speed limits, especially on crowded trails. I've had guys in their 50's zip by me doing 25mph on the trail on ebikes, not just kids. All that will do is bring restrictions or banning of ebikes from trails in the future, which is not what I want to see. Then again I've also had road bikes fly by me as I'm riding 16-17mph and they are doing about 25, so its not only the ebikes, but the inconsiderate road bikes that think the trail rules don't adhere to them . If road bikers want to push their limits, do it on the road, not walking/biking paths. Excessive speeds on ebikes will only hurt the rest of us with needless new rules/restrictions.
 
The confusing patchwork of laws here in the US doesn't help, either. Some states allow class 1, some 2 or 3. What's legal in one state may not be legal just across the border... or may or may not be legal depending on what menu settings you choose. Then individual towns have their own rules...

Enforcing truth-in-advertising laws might help, too... force the dealers to call a Surron an "electric motorcycle", not an "electric bicycle".

It's not just kids and not just ebikes... I've got a neighbor, around 40 years old, moved back in with his parents after bottoming out (drugs and drinking). Lost his license, so now he zips around on a (gas powered) moped, which requires no license... but he's modified the thing so it can do well in excess of 50 mph. Yet I don't want to hassle him, because in his own muddled way he really is trying to get straight, and using the bike to get to work is a big part of that.
 
One of the things a lot of people miss about the non-street-legal electric bikes is the liability issue.

On one side, if somebody hits you with a motor vehicle and injures you, chances are you are SOL on getting any compensation from them or their insurance because you were operating an illegal vehicle. To some extent that depends on the state though.

If you, god forbid, cause an accident with your illegal bike than you are in for a universe of pain and suffering. Chances are whatever insurance you have won't help you, and chances are when you get sued you will lose and lose badly. Given what even modest personal injury payouts can be chances are that you will lose your home and your retirement savings and be squeezed dry by lawyers. Oh, did I mention the legal fees you'll have to pay to defend yourself? Nobody will help you with those either.

So even if something isn't "enforceable" by a cop on the bike path you could still find yourself in a world of hurt when things go wrong. That also means if you bought an illegal bike for your precious little offspring to ride to school you could also be sued into the dirt.

For myself I'd rather pay fines and have my bike confiscated than be on the losing side of a personal injury lawsuit.
For now my home and contents insurance covers public liability and property damage for my family when riding our e-bikes. Next time the policy is up for renewal they (and e-rideables) will no longer be covered……. regardless of speed.
 
Massachusetts doesn't even recognize Class 3 bikes. They mandate bike class, motor wattage, and maximum assist speed stickers, but my bike didn't come with them as it is European. It's just a mess.
 
For now my home and contents insurance covers public liability and property damage for my family when riding our e-bikes. Next time the policy is up for renewal they (and e-rideables) will no longer be covered……. regardless of speed.
You verified this with them?
 
The question
E-Bikes are getting faster, more powerful, and pushing the limits of what’s street-legal. With models hitting 40+ mph and custom builds going even beyond that, it raises the question ,how fast is too fast for an eBike?

Should high-speed eBikes be regulated like motorcycles? Or should riders have the freedom to push the limits? Some say anything over 28 mph belongs in a different category, while others argue that technology is evolving, and laws need to keep up.

What do you think? Should eBikes have a speed cap, or should we embrace the thrill of high-performance rides? Also, drop your fastest eBike setups lets see who’s really pushing the boundaries
The speed limits, licensing procedures and regulations for motor vehicles are already set, but 99% of people speeding anyway regardless of all those regulations and licensing. So the answer is no, high speed capable e-bikes should not be regulated any more than it is right now.

The only thing you can do if you are not happy with something somewhere is to ban something somewhere (like motor vehicles are banned on sidewalks for instance, etc.), and good luck enforcing your ban.
 
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