Great! That is good to know. Thank you.We are very similar! I am same height/inseam, just a bit heavier (190). 56 fits me VERY well!
Great! That is good to know. Thank you.We are very similar! I am same height/inseam, just a bit heavier (190). 56 fits me VERY well!
Congratulations! My wife and I acquired our Creo 2 Experts (our first ebikes ever!) in October and fled rainy Oregon for sunny Tucson, AZ this winter. So far we've put about 700 miles on the bikes (mostly dirt roads) and I assure you that you both will have a most excellent experience riding them.My wife and I just ordered Creo 2 comps, will pick them up in April. These bikes, although Gravel oriented, tick almost all of the boxes:
- Upright fit. We weren't looking for road geometry or position. The LBS will install the 3, 5mm spacers under the stem to raise the bars. For me flipping the stem over for a 6deg rise provides the perfect fit. My wife also will have the 3 spacers installed, along with a 10mm shorter stem flipped over for a 6deg rise. The riding position is perfect for both of us with the bars maybe 1/2" above seat level.
- Mounting points for fenders and racks, fore and aft. We'll be doing a lot of credit card touring with these, so the ability to add racks was a must.
- A motor controller that allows fine tuning of the assist level. Without using the app I can change the assist level in 10% increments, from 0 to 100%. With the app I can define how much battery I want left following my ride over a know route.
- Unobtrusive motor engagement and disengagement.
- Easy to peddle with no assist
- The ability to use on gravel roads and hardpack. The 47mm tires that come with the bike will be fine for now, maybe swap them out for 38's or 42's after some experience.
So we found a comfortable, fairly light ebike (mine weighed in at 33lbs with peddles) with a smooth, quiet motor that is easy to fine tune.
I think the only downside for us is that the battery can only supply about 320Wh; a range extender battery (and cable) adds 160Wh for $660.
Spring can't come soon enough!!
Thanks, Charleyt.Congratulations! My wife and I acquired our Creo 2 Experts (our first ebikes ever!) in October and fled rainy Oregon for sunny Tucson, AZ this winter. So far we've put about 700 miles on the bikes (mostly dirt roads) and I assure you that you both will have a most excellent experience riding them.
Although there is no resistance when pedaling with no assist, it will not feel easy. Going from assist to no assist feels like you have two flat tires riding through deep sand.
We're planning some light credit card touring too but we have a lot of backpacking bags from past excursions negating the need for racks. I'm not so keen on carrying the battery charger and hoping we can get away with just carrying one and be super diligent about charging both bikes and REs by the next morning. We've pushed the limits of range on these bikes with the RE to the point assist shuts down. I would advise experimenting with how far you can go with a full touring load especially if there's climbing on the route. Once the battery gets down below 20%, assist drops dramatically so plan on only having about 130% of the 150% battery available with the RE.
April must feel like waiting for Santa Claus in December to deliver presents.
How’d you order for April since they’re sold out? I did hear that’s when the next shipment becomes available. My LBS said to order online and ship to them.Thanks, Charleyt.
We've been bike touring for years with our Surly Disc Truckers, so we're all set up. Our first rides will be over some uplands in Eastern Ontario, then through the high hills of the Eastern Townships of Quebec - maybe that's where we'll ride first. We won't be touring at first, just day rides to get a feel for the bikes range, but we'll quickly start touring. I'm hoping to get 80-90km with light touring bags. We shall see. The road surfaces here in Quebec can really suck, so the wider tires and lower pressure should help with that. Right now there's too much salt and ice and muck on the roads to bring home our new bikes. It'll be a tough wait.
80-90km should be doable if you keep the load light and the climbing under 750 meters. Of course that all depends on the level of assist you use. We did a remote backcountry day ride carrying all our own water and snacks, 80% rough gravel road, 72km with 1000m of climbing and ended with less than 15% battery. The last mile or so with minimal assist was tough at the end of a long day. We've also done a 85km paved ride with 640m of climbing and had battery to spare.Thanks, Charleyt.
We've been bike touring for years with our Surly Disc Truckers, so we're all set up. Our first rides will be over some uplands in Eastern Ontario, then through the high hills of the Eastern Townships of Quebec - maybe that's where we'll ride first. We won't be touring at first, just day rides to get a feel for the bikes range, but we'll quickly start touring. I'm hoping to get 80-90km with light touring bags. We shall see. The road surfaces here in Quebec can really suck, so the wider tires and lower pressure should help with that. Right now there's too much salt and ice and muck on the roads to bring home our new bikes. It'll be a tough wait.
Thanks Charleyt, that range is about right...in any case we'll find out for ourselves sometime in April. Depending on the tour length we do use fork mounted bags when touring with the Disc Trucker. Lynn's weighs in at under 31lbs with rear rack, seat and handlebar bags, and steel fenders.80-90km should be doable if you keep the load light and the climbing under 750 meters. Of course that all depends on the level of assist you use. We did a remote backcountry day ride carrying all our own water and snacks, 80% rough gravel road, 72km with 1000m of climbing and ended with less than 15% battery. The last mile or so with minimal assist was tough at the end of a long day. We've also done a 85km paved ride with 640m of climbing and had battery to spare.
Surly Disc Trucker is a pretty hefty bike so the Creo will only be about 5 pounds heavier. Do you run low rider front racks? I love that setup keeping the weight over front axle.
I assume you'll be running tubeless. We set up the stock tires tubeless and we've been happy. Not the most supple tire, but very durable. We both swapped out the handlebars for what we're most comfortable on.
Brake pads wear out quick with the extra weight of the bike and chains stretch fast under all the torque. I've also heard cassettes can get chewed through. I already replaced the rear brake pads. Bringing the bike in next week after 800+ miles so I'm interested to hear the bike shop assessment of my wear an tear which I'll start to track closely.
This is the only pic I have so far of our bikes together. When using the RE, you have to find other ways to carry water especially when no services are available on a remote ride. I've very happy Spesh was smart enough to put mounts on the fork.
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GREAT info and review!80-90km should be doable if you keep the load light and the climbing under 750 meters. Of course that all depends on the level of assist you use. We did a remote backcountry day ride carrying all our own water and snacks, 80% rough gravel road, 72km with 1000m of climbing and ended with less than 15% battery. The last mile or so with minimal assist was tough at the end of a long day. We've also done a 85km paved ride with 640m of climbing and had battery to spare.
Surly Disc Trucker is a pretty hefty bike so the Creo will only be about 5 pounds heavier. Do you run low rider front racks? I love that setup keeping the weight over front axle.
I assume you'll be running tubeless. We set up the stock tires tubeless and we've been happy. Not the most supple tire, but very durable. We both swapped out the handlebars for what we're most comfortable on.
Brake pads wear out quick with the extra weight of the bike and chains stretch fast under all the torque. I've also heard cassettes can get chewed through. I already replaced the rear brake pads. Bringing the bike in next week after 800+ miles so I'm interested to hear the bike shop assessment of my wear an tear which I'll start to track closely.
This is the only pic I have so far of our bikes together. When using the RE, you have to find other ways to carry water especially when no services are available on a remote ride. I've very happy Spesh was smart enough to put mounts on the fork.
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I absolutely do agree with you Paul! With the weaker SL 1.1 motor, riding light on the main battery (degraded to 302 Wh) in 30/30% assistance in a flat area indicates the range of 100 miles. However, ride heavy loaded, hills, higher assistance, headwind, etc, and the range drops off the cliff.As the post above mentions, range is SO dependent on your personal use of the motor/battery, meaning what level of assist you use and how you have your assist settings configured.
Leave it turbo and you will lucky to see 20 milesI absolutely do agree with you Paul! With the weaker SL 1.1 motor, riding light on the main battery (degraded to 302 Wh) in 30/30% assistance in a flat area indicates the range of 100 miles. However, ride heavy loaded, hills, higher assistance, headwind, etc, and the range drops off the cliff.
Specialized seems to measure stack height the vertical distance between the bottom bracket and the point on the future shock that the stem sits, without spacers, which would go below the future shock. This is the minimum stack height measurement, equivalent to the stack of a non-futureshock bike with the stem seated right on top of the head tube.Brand new to the forum here. If I might ask a question....I have a 2018 Diverge Expert and am looking at getting the same frame size now in the Turbo Creo 2 Comp. Near as I tell, with a site called "99 Spokes", the frame dimensions between the two are almost identical, except for the front forks laying out a bit more (longer wheelbase with Creo). I depend on getting my saddle level with the top of the stem, and I believe that Specialized has incorrectly drawn the stack height attached. Shouldn't it be from the center of the bottom bracket to top of head tube; not to middle of stem mount? Thank you.
Just to clarify, does this mean that the true stack height should be from the center of BB to the top of the top tube at the junction of top tube and the black plastic headset cover piece? This is where I measured my old Diverge to agree with stack spec on that one. In addition, for 58cm frame on the Creo, they show a top tube length of 590mm measured from top of head tube level to center of seat post.. If you consider the "higher" stack height of 638mm, and the forward reach of 401mm, and calculate the rearward reach to center of seat post (638/tan(16.5deg)) = 189mm), and add 401 and 189 together, you get exactly 590 which is the "lower" top tube length shown to be about 3" lower. I know this is getting really detailed, but for my adjusted saddle height of 30", this is a difference of 3" of handlebar height. Since the angle of the seat tube is more vertical and the head tube is more "laid out", the distance between the two decreases as height goes up, so if their drawing were correct, the combined reach forward and back should add up to 4mm shorter...Specialized seems to measure stack height the vertical distance between the bottom bracket and the point on the future shock that the stem sits, without spacers, which would go below the future shock. This is the minimum stack height measurement, equivalent to the stack of a non-futureshock bike with the stem seated right on top of the head tube.
Just to clarify, does this mean that the true stack height should be from the center of BB to the top of the top tube at the junction of top tube and the black plastic headset cover piece? This is where I measured my old Diverge to agree with stack spec on that one. In addition, for 58cm frame on the Creo, they show a top tube length of 590mm measured from top of head tube level to center of seat post.. If you consider the "higher" stack height of 638mm, and the forward reach of 401mm, and calculate the rearward reach to center of seat post (638/tan(16.5deg)) = 189mm), and add 401 and 189 together, you get exactly 590 which is the "lower" top tube length shown to be about 3" lower. I know this is getting really detailed, but for my adjusted saddle height of 30", this is a difference of 3" of handlebar height. Since the angle of the seat tube is more vertical and the head tube is more "laid out", the distance between the two decreases as height goes up, so if their drawing were correct, the combined reach forward and back should add up to 4mm shorter...
Here’s what I did to estimate the way specialized measures their stack height:Just to clarify, does this mean that the true stack height should be from the center of BB to the top of the top tube at the junction of top tube and the black plastic headset cover piece? This is where I measured my old Diverge to agree with stack spec on that one. In addition, for 58cm frame on the Creo, they show a top tube length of 590mm measured from top of head tube level to center of seat post.. If you consider the "higher" stack height of 638mm, and the forward reach of 401mm, and calculate the rearward reach to center of seat post (638/tan(16.5deg)) = 189mm), and add 401 and 189 together, you get exactly 590 which is the "lower" top tube length shown to be about 3" lower. I know this is getting really detailed, but for my adjusted saddle height of 30", this is a difference of 3" of handlebar height. Since the angle of the seat tube is more vertical and the head tube is more "laid out", the distance between the two decreases as height goes up, so if their drawing were correct, the combined reach forward and back should add up to 4mm shorter...
Are you performing this size assessment because you don't have access to a store where you can test ride the actual bike? Are you almost always in-between sizes?Just to clarify, does this mean that the true stack height should be from the center of BB to the top of the top tube at the junction of top tube and the black plastic headset cover piece? This is where I measured my old Diverge to agree with stack spec on that one. In addition, for 58cm frame on the Creo, they show a top tube length of 590mm measured from top of head tube level to center of seat post.. If you consider the "higher" stack height of 638mm, and the forward reach of 401mm, and calculate the rearward reach to center of seat post (638/tan(16.5deg)) = 189mm), and add 401 and 189 together, you get exactly 590 which is the "lower" top tube length shown to be about 3" lower. I know this is getting really detailed, but for my adjusted saddle height of 30", this is a difference of 3" of handlebar height. Since the angle of the seat tube is more vertical and the head tube is more "laid out", the distance between the two decreases as height goes up, so if their drawing were correct, the combined reach forward and back should add up to 4mm shorter...