Reention Dorado 48V 25Ah 29Ah&36V 30Ah (505L) Replacement Battery for eBikes Surface 604,NCM,Rize,Magnum,Aventon
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Jenny,
For a Electric bike company Model R the SYR-002 Mustang-A looks like the identical battery other than the 4 pins are stacked in groups of 2 with a slight offset vs lined up horizontally. Are you familiar with and do you have this configuration?
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@Jenny Mao do you know the max amp discharge rate for this type of discharge port?
This is in a Samsung 35E 13S4P 18650 pack in a Reention Rhino IR-5 case.
I’m asking because I can’t find this info anywhere else. I’ve seen other IR-7 and IR-21700 packs with the same PLA0359 port and have 30-35a BMS. I was able to find one seller selling just the case and the case was rated at 20a max, but that doesn’t make sense when you have a 35a BMS. Or is the difference negligible?
This is in a Samsung 35E 13S4P 18650 pack in a Reention Rhino IR-5 case.
I’m asking because I can’t find this info anywhere else. I’ve seen other IR-7 and IR-21700 packs with the same PLA0359 port and have 30-35a BMS. I was able to find one seller selling just the case and the case was rated at 20a max, but that doesn’t make sense when you have a 35a BMS. Or is the difference negligible?
It looks like this port has 6 connectors. So if you build a custom battery inside a case with such port you can use all 6 connectors so you can spread the power along 3 connectors for each power lead (pump the power through 3 connectors). Visually It looks like each connector may be able to handle 30 A. So 3 connectors should be able to handle 90 A.
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Ahh. I see. That makes sense. Maybe I should test voltage at each pair to see what is actually connected. I’ll then test on the connection towards the controller to be sure.
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Thank you. So, if all six are used, then the rating would be 60A MAX.
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I think yes. And make sure cable is thick enough if you such high current.
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I just checked. All 6 pins are used both at the battery and the male port towards the controller. I have a controller with a 25A limit. I’m totally fine with that. Any larger and the controller won’t fit in the downtube. Also, I don’t think my BMS is rated for more than 30A. I believe the gauge wire is 16 (could be 14), from the male port to the controller. I’ll have to double check that this weekend. The bike was originally limited to 18A.
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A few advisories about that:
1) Innotrace X1 controllers for the m620, generally replace a UART controller, not a CANBus unit. The controller, display, & battery, all need to use the same communication protocol. (I believe also the brake indicators & throttle...) Confirm compatibility before buying!
2) No headlight / taillight integration, with the X1. This means no brake light, unless you power & activate it separately.
3) Like most other high-amperage controllers for the m620's g510 motor, the Innotrace X1 is scarcely more configurable than the CANBus m620 with BESST tool access. The pedal-torque sensitivity cannot be adjusted in scale with speed:
Contrast with the good old Bafang Config Tool, which lets us set the decay rates & minimum outputs, and adjust the response to pedal torque at 6 different speed ranges; allowing for smoothly graduated pedal assist levels, & accounting for the fact that our legs exert far less torque when pedaling at a very fast cadence. Especially at very high power levels, detailed configuration is crucial to smooth & proportional motor response!
Also... if you already have a battery, it's most likely a 48V with a 20 or 30 amp cutoff, lacking the massive Amp-hour capacity or obscenely high discharge rate rating, necessary for the X1.
Even 1440 Watts (48V × 30a) discharges a 13s6p battery fast enough to induce significant Voltage sag & reduced output: A "1008Wh" battery won't put out its full 1008Wh of energy, at maximum discharge rate. Drawing more than 30A from a 5p or 6p battery, just doesn't seem like a great idea, to me...
For the m620 moreso than most, increasing amperage output is less efficient than increasing the Voltage.
Running at 60 amps is more likely to damage an m620, than running at 60 Volts. I'd strongly recommend that speed freaks select a battery & controller that run at 60V @ 30A, rather than 48V @ 60A. Running the m620's motor at 60 amps is not within its original design spec; but running it at 60 Volts is.
What parts you'll want may depend a lot on the type of riding you'll do:
If you need a motorcycle (sustained speeds >35 MPH), you could use a 3000 Watt X1 controller and a whopping big 52 Volt battery (much bigger than any Dorado case; start another thread or message Jenny about triangle packs).
If you want something with highly configurable pedal response, have your battery's CANBus type BMS module replaced to permit use with a UART type m620 controller.
If you just want a basic m620 powered ebike & are not qualified to do conceptually complex fine tuning anyway, a CANBus m620 motor+controller could be fine for you; just be aware you won't get the fine tuning a UART build would allow, & top speed will be around 28-to-32 MPH, at 48V × 30a.
I don't think any Dorado style battery, is suitable for use with the X1?
Anyway, I fear I'm straying off the topic of Dorado style battery cases...
Unless there's a Dorado case I don't know about, suitable for a 52V@60A battery?!?
Thank you for the response.
I received the frame and the seller attached the battery interface for the frame specifically for the battery I purchased from the seller. I have not received the battery yet, but here are the pictures of the Reention battery connector on the frame side. Can you tell if this will work with UART motor or with Innotrace X1 controlled motor?
The front side of the connector
The back side of the connector
I received the frame and the seller attached the battery interface for the frame specifically for the battery I purchased from the seller. I have not received the battery yet, but here are the pictures of the Reention battery connector on the frame side. Can you tell if this will work with UART motor or with Innotrace X1 controlled motor?
The front side of the connector
The back side of the connector
Triangle plug looks like coms Display? I have the same plug but mine is green for the canbus on my Frey Beast... Anyone know if these batteries can work with that bike?
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The listing is for connectors not batteries?
Yes but comes with colored pictures.. with different ends ..
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I've got the same connector for my headlight.
My controller can only provide ~0.5 Amps to the headlight.
I think you've got a headlight connector that is switched by the button to provide a direct battery connection to the headlight.
It is a 3 pin connector, but only 2 pins are used. (or two are the same.)
Is that a momentary button, or will it stay pushed in?
Could be for a horn if it's momentary?
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I checked that button, it is actually button to turn the battery power output ON and OFF. That button will stay pushed in.
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