ava1ar
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Makes sense. Do to avoid constant frustration I just expect not to relay on the built-in navigation in Bosch displays (and this is the reason I see Nyon 21 not worth the price asked).
Nyon MY21 - Initial Thoughts
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I have the smartphone hub, same routing issues, so I don't use it for routing, just navi. I do my routes separately. I like ridewithgps's routing system best, so I plan routes there. To get them to my device, I need to go through Komoot, another eurocentric app, then to cobi.bike. If I ever needed to re-route while on the road, I'd do it on my phone, then hotspot to get it to my bike.
Stefan Mikes
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My feeling is it is German-centric 
ava1ar
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Yes, similar stuff. I prepared some routes in Komoot and so far it worked pretty well. SmartphoneHub doesn't have integration with RideWithGPS which is sad
I am currently trying Garmin Edge 520+ for navigation purposes - it can import routes directly from RideWithGPS and also provides better navigation UI than SmartphoneHub. The concept of Cobi with ability to integrate custom solutions is great, however due to the limited exposure of the hardware it supports (SmartphoneHub) there are no useful modules for the US users there.
Stefan Mikes
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Did you mean 530+? Greatly recommended.
Stefan Mikes
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Ah, my bad. For one, do you ever ride in gloves? If yes, the button version is more practical (that's why I mentioned the 530).
ava1ar
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520 and 530 are almost identical from the buttons/UI prospective. Main differences are faster CPU in 530 and some more fancy sensors/health-related stuff which I don't need. So both are great to control in gloves and small enough to be mounted on the limited space.
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fooferdoggie
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I have to have a touch screen using the buttons is so cumbersome after using the touch screen. got the 1013+ easy to see and its loud so I can hear the radar and the altimeter is pretty good too.
Stefan Mikes
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Did you mean 1030+? Darn expensive.
The only reason I use cobi.bike is because it uses motor information, like my power output. cobi.bike seems to have a published api and a free development kit "The COBI.Bike Devkit is available to all app users and it is free to use for personal projects." but the developer forum hasn't had a post since November, 2020, so we can presume further work is dead. It's too bad it has been abandoned by Bosch, because it has (had?) a lot of potential.Yes, similar stuff. I prepared some routes in Komoot and so far it worked pretty well. SmartphoneHub doesn't have integration with RideWithGPS which is sad
And yes, if my ship comes in, so to speak, I'm thinking about a Kiox upgrade. I worry though, about what might NOT work with a Performance Speed DU, since CX seems to be getting all the attention.
fooferdoggie
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ya but it works well and its practical 450 on sale. butthe 830 is only a little cheaper and harder to see. have the explore my wife uses and its full of bugs. like if I put it on power saver mode it pops up with a screen saying how to save power and the screen stays up the whole ride because she cant see it. locking the screen does not actually lock it.
Stefan Mikes
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I doubt you can operate the 1030+ in gloves?
fooferdoggie
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can and do. not everything but on a daily bases yes. if I needed to use maps I would take off a glove.
ava1ar
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Bosch now has 3 different software/hardware integration platforms and 3 apps: The COBI.Bike, Bosch eBike Connect and The eBike Flow. This is way too much and I believe COBI.Bike is dead now
(even I agree it had a potential). Bosch eBike Connect is now legacy app for old platform and The eBike Flow is a future.Any reason you think Kiox won't work with Performance Speed? According to own Bosch compatibility matrix, Kiox is compatible with all the current motors. You have different information regarding the compatibility?
I suspect it's compatible, but I don't know if all features will work, such as the ability to customize motor assist levels. Given what I've seen from Bosch since I bought my bike (hint: nothing for either cobi.bike or Performance Speed) I'm slightly wary, especially at the price.Bosch now has 3 different software/hardware integration platforms and 3 apps: The COBI.Bike, Bosch eBike Connect and The eBike Flow. This is way too much and I believe COBI.Bike is dead now
Any reason you think Kiox won't work with Performance Speed? According to own Bosch compatibility matrix, Kiox is compatible with all the current motors. You have different information regarding the compatibility?
I don't know if I should be more disappointed in Trek or in Bosch for sticking me with a dead end, low performance, obsolete system like the smartphone hub. I suspect Trek got a great deal on the smartphone hub, and Bosch got to unload a lot of obsolete inventory.
ava1ar
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OK, got it. I don't really care that much - build-in 4 modes are sufficient for my usage. However overall I see Kiox as a most balanced display Bosch currently has (Nyon is way to expensive and not really worth the price).
Thank you, thank you. With the Bosch connect app opened on my phone to the My e-bike page and the phone close enough for blue tooth, it worked perfectly! Now I can see the weather without having to look up at the sky! Don't know how we ever survived without it!
Same (only 400' of elevation gain home usually)
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