My first e-bike (Turbo Creo SL Comp Evo)

[Stefan Mikes]

I have informed Paolo (the creator)

Paolo is a golden man...

I have no idea. I sent that screenshot to the developer for clarification.

Perhaps one km value is determined by the GPS and the other by the bike (the wheel circumference defined in the Creo might be wrong).

Also, BLEvo allows manipulating the wheel circumference to somewhat de-restrict the bike, right? Real km are real, "unreal" ones are reported by the bike, I guess.

 

[arnoldc]

I have an Italian-made Gipiemme Tecno 1.55 Ultralight fitted with Clement LAS 33mm and is currently mounted on my Niner RLT9 Steel. I designed an adaptor, 110x12 for the 100x15 front hub. I 3D printed the adaptor and the prototype is in the photo.

Next, I'll make an adaptor for the 142x12 rear and this will be easier. I may have to re-dish the rear wheel but I'll check out the prototype first.

 

[Alaskan]

If there's one thing I hate about my Creo SL Comp Evo is the Sunrace cassette. I already questioned its inclusion in a $6,500 bike and my problematic shifting experience on the first ride supports my apprehension.

There are two cogs (I think 5 and 7) that has one teeth each with a bad tolerance that makes the tuning somewhat frustrating. In the end, I was successful. I also found the cable to be slack by about 3 mm, which was easy to adjust.

The photo shows how battered unevenly, the cogs are. This Sunrace cassette has to go, I will replace it with Deore XT 11-42 cassette.

I just replaced the 11-46 shimano xt cassette on My Riese & Muller Delight Mountain with the Sunrace 11-46. Unlike your experience, I found the sunrace to be a much smoother more accurate shifting set of sprocket. The Sunrace has been a huge improvement. Additionally the spread between the gears is more evenly distributed.

 

[Mulezen]

 

[arnoldc]

Wow, that is impressive. I wish I had the skills to do that, but I have no idea how to design an adaptor. I've never 3D printed anything, ever.

What material is the adaptor made of?

The one in the photo being a prototype is PLA. The final version is carbon fiber filled PLA.

Here is the Gipiemme mounted on the Evo, but I still have to buy a 160mm rotor, or adjust (temporarily) the brake caliper.

 

[arnoldc]

I just replaced the 11-46 shimano xt cassette on My Riese & Muller Delight Mountain with the Sunrace 11-46.

May I know which one? They have a few 11-46...

 

[arnoldc]

So, MAHLE that makes the ebikemotion system is the manufacturer of the SL 1.1. Quite a revelation.

 

[Alaskan]

May I know which one? They have a few 11-46...

I purchased the black, 11-46 version

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[arnoldc]

I am so glad that I bought this bike, I can now go with my stronger ride buddies to places such as this and they don't have to wait for me spoiling the ride.

We had a 100+ km ride yesterday and the battery was down to 6% at the end of the ride. I had to babysit the bike in ECO mode for like 7 kilometers for fear of having to pedal climbs without motor assist.

On flats and slight inclines, my ride buddy's pace is 35-45 km/h so I'm left behind (not much, he doesn't have to wait long) at 32 km/h. Our Creo SL here have the lower motor assist cut-off (European) so at that pace I'm lugging a 14 kg bike. The battery charge went down fast when we hit the 24 km long climb (61 meters to 650 meters) and I was in Sport mode to tail my buddy. When I noticed my charge was down to 7% I cut back on assist and switched to ECO for the last 7 km.

 

[Blackvipergts]

I rode with my friend of mine which proved to be the most challenging for the bike

The route took 84+ km and over 1,600 meters elevation gain (highest elevation is about 647 meters). When my ride is done, I still have 27% battery left. I was always tailing my friend who is doing ~35 km/h so I had to pedal hard with a 13.85 kg bike at 32+ km/h. That saved the battery a lot! I spent most of time in Eco and Sport when climbing.

I am pleased with the performance of the motor and battery. In the last photo, we are about 1/4 up and those white buildings are our destination.

Good afternoon and thank for Your comments and report.I’m following from Italy ( close to Como’s lake) not the best place to ride during these Virus’s day and infact we are all closed and blocked at home.
I’m a so called Young-Seniorwith an p.a average in excess for 12000km and 90000 mt elevation [ 2019 data] ridden with a Specialized Diverge S-Works.On Jan I had a hurt attack and two stents have been implanted ,so far now I’m approaching the e-bike world not really considered till few months ago.Being a Specialized‘s fan I was considering the Creo as possible option BUT the main question for me is about the power erogation in the sense to understand how is the < support> provided.
Clearly my cycling style shall be different from before as well as power and RPM, so far I wondering if a more powerful engine could better help me avoiding to reach critical HR zone.Hope my question is clear enough, please excuse my basic English and thank in advance for any feedback.
Enjoy and smile
regards
blackvipergts

 

[arnoldc]

<snip>
Clearly my cycling style shall be different from before as well as power and RPM, so far I wondering if a more powerful engine could better help me avoiding to reach critical HR zone.Hope my question is clear enough, please excuse my basic English and thank in advance for any feedback.
Enjoy and smile
regards
blackvipergts

Hi, since you're in Italy we have the same speed limit (25 kph) and I find that riding with friends on a heavy bike (~14kg) I can only do 32-40 kph on flats or slight ascents (no more assist at that speed) but enough to keep in touch with my ride buddies. I have climbed a couple of steep ascents as much as 28.8% grade with the motor assist in Sport mode.

I think you have to borrow the bike before purchase like I did to get a feel of the assistance and find out if it's going to be enough.

 

[rob_s]

Blackvipergts,

I'm in about the same situation as you but my heart attack was 2 years ago now. I used to ride a Roubaix about 5,000 k/year

I got the Vado initially and it has great power/support if you can't deliver much yourself.
I have been getting better so my power is up a bit now. The Creo will be my next bike when/if I can get one here.

I would say if you can deliver 90w of power or more for your required heart rate max then the Creo is perfect.
I measure on my Tacx trainer that has a power monitor function. Probably not the most accurate but at least it's an indication.

Immediately after my heart/stents, I could only do about 50w for a max of 10 min. At that point, I used the new Vado at high/full support to at least get out.
After a few months, I was able to do about 75w and could do hour long rides with low to medium support.
At the end of last season (2 years post heart attack), I was able to sustain 90w with peaks of about 125w as measured on the Vado power meter.
I test rode the Creo and found that my current abilities made it that riding the Creo at max support was faster/easier than my Roubaix before my issues started.
So I think the Creo is perfect for me now.

If you can test your power then this might give you some guidance about the support the Creo can give.

 

[Blackvipergts]

Blackvipergts,

I'm in about the same situation as you but my heart attack was 2 years ago now. I used to ride a Roubaix about 5,000 k/year

I got the Vado initially and it has great power/support if you can't deliver much yourself.
I have been getting better so my power is up a bit now. The Creo will be my next bike when/if I can get one here.

I would say if you can deliver 90w of power or more for your required heart rate max then the Creo is perfect.
I measure on my Tacx trainer that has a power monitor function. Probably not the most accurate but at least it's an indication.

Immediately after my heart/stents, I could only do about 50w for a max of 10 min. At that point, I used the new Vado at high/full support to at least get out.
After a few months, I was able to do about 75w and could do hour long rides with low to medium support.
At the end of last season (2 years post heart attack), I was able to sustain 90w with peaks of about 125w as measured on the Vado power meter.
I test rode the Creo and found that my current abilities made it that riding the Creo at max support was faster/easier than my Roubaix before my issues started.
So I think the Creo is perfect for me now.

If you can test your power then this might give you some guidance about the support the Creo can give.

Thank very much for Your interesting comments .Being my problem dated only since two and half months ago I did not yet submit to a Cardio-Test/ Power .
My recovery after the event have been evaluated at 90% after a month ( blood test/ECC/ overall condition) and at present I'm following a fitness cardio
training.I'm 65year old , 1,78 mt hight for 75 kgs in excellent health condition till the event ( all check made just 6 months before were scoring at top.
Never smoked , no alcool, vegetarian .... )... I'm wondering if once back riding I could still express the same power,
probably yes after a recovering training, but not sure at which HR ...I suppose my approach should become different as my priority ( not longer KOM or
elevation gain) and even the riding style adapted. To find a Creo for a test is rather impossible ( e-road bike
are not very much popular and appreciated yet in Italy) and while I like the line very close to my Diverge I'm not so sure about the engine support .
Please consider in the area where I leave ( Como lake) it's rather impossible to ride on flat and in a normal tour of 60-80 km elevation gain never below
1000 mt with an average gradient at 7% ( the classic Ghisallo is averaging 8% and 14% top).
I would also take this opportunity to ask if the performance gap in between the Carbon and E5 Al is so wide : on a normal bike any gram has relevance
but for an assisted one it's the relevance the same .The price gap is over 2000$, thank to everybody
My best regards
blackvipergts
PS: This summer at Gavia

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Perhaps you can consider Specialized Turbo Vado @Blackvipergts as @rob_s suggests. The bike provides a lot of support and could be good for your first phase of recovery. Of course, the Vado is not a road bike but it provides significant support and would be good for the hilly area of Como (my old Italian aunt lived in Como but I lost the contact with that family long time ago).

Did you consider an e-MTB?

 

[Deacon Blues]

I'm going to say something that is heresy.....given the choice between an aluminum Creo and a Vado 5.0 I'd probably pick the Vado. Up here in the Great White North the price of the Vado 5.0 and the aluminum Creo THE SAME. Hard to believe, but both are $5999 Canadian.
I'd pick the Vado 5.0 because the Creo sucks on the hills and this is from a guy with two carbon road bikes.
Now, if Specialized were to include another level, with something like a 100 watt increase in motor output, I'd switch my choice to the Creo.

 

[rob_s]

Interesting, I would have said the exact opposite. But then in my area of Ontario, canada - there are only very short hills and nothing more than a few minutes of climbing.

 

[rob_s]

I'm still not sure how much boost the Creo puts out?
Not having one myself yet I can't verify it.
Some docs say 180% boost. I take this as meaning if I put in 100w then the bike supplies an additional 180w.
Other sources say '2x you' which could mean the above or it could mean that you put in 100w to get an additional 100w.
It would be interesting for an owner to use the power measurements to see what the real story is.

 

[rob_s]

Thanks

finally a definitive answer

 

[StmbtDave]

Yesterday I did a slow (11 mph average) group ride of 38 miles with 1,000 ft elevation gain. I used a whopping 2% of my CREO battery. Can’t get much more efficient than that. Extend that out and I could go almost 2,000 miles per charge! That won’t happen... LOL. The entire ride was in 15% boost.

The day before I did a 50 mile ride with 4,500 ft elevation gain. It was 12 miles to the start of the climb and I used 1% getting there. At the top of the climb at 7,100 ft, I only had 24% remaining so I used 75% on the climb. Another 1% getting home and it was my greatest battery drain to date. I was in 15% boost going to and back but the climb was mostly 35% but portions at 60%.

 

[arnoldc]

To those interested in Biker power vs. Motor power.

Here's the output from one of my rides. I'm using a custom profile wherein Sport = 50/65. I spend most of my time in Eco = 25/25.