pxpaulx
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Ding ding ding ding ding! We Have a Winner!!! 100% agreed, the OP is needessly re-iterating the same talking points, without really saying what it is exactly they are themselves looking for in a bike.
How come the 2015 Pedego Interceptor (48V/10Ah) costs $645.00 > the 2016 Aerial Rider (48V/11.6Ah)?
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Ding ding ding ding ding! We Have a Winner!!! 100% agreed, the OP is needessly re-iterating the same talking points, without really saying what it is exactly they are themselves looking for in a bike.
Christopher
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Hi @J.R.,
Thank you very much for a constructive and informative response to the topic discussion.
Please let me know if I understand correctly. The $645.00 extra that I would pay for the Pedego Interceptor versus other competitively similar cruisers in today's market, is because of the reputation to allow me to rest assured that my $3,000.00 e-bike purchase will be assembled using parts that were manufactured in recent months, rather then several year's ago?
Also, I am curious to know when you said how, "the two bikes you are attempting to compare, aren't comparable in any measurable way"? If I'm not mistaken, these two bikes are mostly similar with very few dissimilarities. And any of the dissimilarities I could find, seem to favor the Aerial Rider over the Pedego Interceptor.
Thanks again J.R., I look forward to hearing from you.
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pxpaulx
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@Christopher, what bike are you actually interested in and what kind of riding do you intend to do with it?
J.R.
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Your summation is incorrect, I let stand my explanation above.
I don't believe you are searching for information on these two bikes, I also don't believe you are connected to either brand. You've bashed Pedego for their price and have misspelled the company Ariel in every instance, unless there's an Aerial I'm not aware of. For whatever reason it appears you are looking for an argument and I have no desire to take part in that.Also, I am curious to know when you said how, "the two bikes you are attempting to compare, aren't comparable in any measurable way"? If I'm not mistaken, these two bikes are mostly similar with very few dissimilarities.
Christopher
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Thanks for sharing @J.R. ,
Believe it or not, I am not looking for any arguments at all. I just have a question, and am in search of support from the EBR community.
Actually, yes I am searching for information on these two e-bikes because you informed me that "the two bikes you are attempting to compare, aren't comparable in any measurable way"? I must have been misinformed because from what I understand they are very similar and I would like to know why they are not comparable in any measurable way?
Sure, it may seem I am "bashing" Pedego, but to be charged an added side fee of $700.00 for reputation alone seems quite a bit overpriced for a fee? Maybe its just me..
Ahaha, you're right!
My fault, the company name is spelled Ariel, not Aerial. Thanks for the correction, @J.R. !Cheers,
Christopher
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pxpaulx
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Pretty sure you've answered your question 20 times over...buy yourself the cheaper bike, whatever its called.
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Christopher,
I'm not sure why you keep ignoring what was stated early on. You keep talking about MSRP. Most people do not pay MSRP for bikes, sometimes people actually pay more and quite often people actually pay less. That means the rest of your argument comparing different MSRP's is pointless. If you want to have a debate or discussion as to how different manufactures determine their MSRP, then simply say that is what you want to discuss.
The answer to the original question is simple. It appears as though Pedego sets their MSRP high and Aerial (sp?) apparently sets their MSRP low. But none of that really matters until you determine how much money you can actually buy the bike for in your area (or have shipped to your area).
I'm not sure why you keep ignoring what was stated early on. You keep talking about MSRP. Most people do not pay MSRP for bikes, sometimes people actually pay more and quite often people actually pay less. That means the rest of your argument comparing different MSRP's is pointless. If you want to have a debate or discussion as to how different manufactures determine their MSRP, then simply say that is what you want to discuss.
The answer to the original question is simple. It appears as though Pedego sets their MSRP high and Aerial (sp?) apparently sets their MSRP low. But none of that really matters until you determine how much money you can actually buy the bike for in your area (or have shipped to your area).
Douglas Ruby
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Here is a simple answer to why a 2015 bike costs more than a 2016 bike. In 2015, the base Specialized Turbo cost $3800. In 2016, the identically SAME bike costs $3000. Market conditions changed and Specialized had to lower the price. It makes sense that a roughly equivalent 2016 bike will be less expensive than the equivalent 2015 bike. Of course, in the case of Specialized, they upgraded the Turbo X using the previous generation Turbo S motor and battery and increased its price from $4000 to $4500. They also upgraded the Turbo S a lot (691Wh battery, 500W motor, 11 speed) and increased its price from $6000 to $7000. So there you are.
Cameron Newland
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One good reason to buy the Pedego: they have dealers all over the US, and you can get service/maintenance/repair for Pedegos just about anywhere. According to Ariel Rider's website, the closest dealer to me in San Francisco is Schmidt Pedelec in Nuremberg, Germany. If I were choosing between the two bikes, I'd probably pick the Pedego, since I don't find myself in Nuremberg very often.
Christopher
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Hi @Douglas Ruby ,
Thanks so much for offering a constructive response and for offering validity to the question being asked.
When you said "In 2015, the base Specialized Turbo cost $3800. In 2016, the identically SAME bike costs $3000. Market conditions changed and Specialized had to lower the price."
This is exactly what I am trying to understand. In 2016, Specialized lowered there MSRP price for the identically SAME 2015 bike due to the change in market condition/competition. Competition has caused the market conditions to change for the Pedego cruisers, yet they charge nearly $700.00 of the total $3,000 for an inferior e-bike in today's cruiser market? The response I keep receiving is that, oh, it is just a small $695.00 fee on a $3,000 e-bike due to brand recognition with dealers all over the US for service.
Speaking of which, I might as well combined threads with @Cameron Newland , who I also appreciate very much for offering a constructive response to the question being asked.
Actually, according to the EBR video review, a cool thing about the Rider bicycle is how conveniently self-serviceable it is with quick release cables and self-adjustable/tuning mechanisms. In your case @Cameron Newland , if you didn't want to DIY service the Arial Rider, you could always have service/maintenance/repairs all done at the Electric Bicycle Outlet in San Francisco, not in Nuremberg, Germany.
Cheers friends,
Christopher
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Christopher
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Based on both Electric Bike Reviews and answers gathered in this forum, here is where consumers could decide what to do with the $700.00 price difference between purchasing a brand new base-level 2015 Pedego Interceptor or a brand new 2016 base-level Ariel Rider:
A.) Pay the extra $700.00 for the $3,000 2015 Pedego Interceptor, which includes US brand recognition, dealers all over the US for maintenance on a self-serviceable e-bike, and the following (in comparison to the 2016 Ariel Rider):
B.) Or you could keep the $700.00 in your pocket for the $2,300.00 2016 base-model Ariel Rider, which has a very good reputation in 16 countries with recent openings and growing markets in the US. Including the following upgraded features (in comparison to the 2015 Pedego Interceptor):
Cheers,
Christopher
A.) Pay the extra $700.00 for the $3,000 2015 Pedego Interceptor, which includes US brand recognition, dealers all over the US for maintenance on a self-serviceable e-bike, and the following (in comparison to the 2016 Ariel Rider):
- Bottle Cage (versus N/A for the Ariel)
- Rear Rack (versus N/A for the Ariel)
- USB Port (versus N/A for the Ariel)
B.) Or you could keep the $700.00 in your pocket for the $2,300.00 2016 base-model Ariel Rider, which has a very good reputation in 16 countries with recent openings and growing markets in the US. Including the following upgraded features (in comparison to the 2015 Pedego Interceptor):
- 556.8 Watt Hours (versus 480wh for the Pedego)
- 4hrs Battery Charge Time (versus 4.5hrs for the Pedego)
- 25mi Minimum Range (versus 15mi for the Pedego)
- 8lb Battery Weight (versus 8.8lb for the Pedego)
- 6 Levels of Pedal Assist (versus 5 for the Pedego)
- Quick Release Front Wheel (versus N/A for the Pedego)
- Parental Control Adjustable Speed Limit (versus N/A for the Pedego)
- Real-Time Rear Brake Light (versus N/A for the Pedego)
- Memory Foam Saddle (versus N/A for the Pedego)
- Larger Disc Brakes (versus smaller disc brakes for the Pedego)
- Full Length Fenders w/ Mud Flaps (versus no fenders for the Pedego)
- Cables Wired Inside The Frame (versus outside the frame wiring for the Pedego)
- Even Weight Distribution (versus rear heavy weight distribution for the Pedego)
Cheers,
Christopher
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Christopher
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Hi @Joe Remi ,
If it was a necessity, I'm pretty sure I would have sided with the new features/upgraded Ariel Rider and still somehow manage to keep $700.00 in my pocket. Which still doesn't make any sense at all to me? Especially, considering these cruisers are essentially self-serviceable and Ariel will also be serviceable nationwide much sooner than later. Although Ariel is new to the US market, they have a very good reputation in 16 other nations, so the idea of Pedego being reputable in the US does not justify a $700.00 spike in the Pedego Interceptor price versus the Ariel Rider, in my opinion..
Cheers,
Christopher
If it was a necessity, I'm pretty sure I would have sided with the new features/upgraded Ariel Rider and still somehow manage to keep $700.00 in my pocket. Which still doesn't make any sense at all to me?
Especially, considering these cruisers are essentially self-serviceable and Ariel will also be serviceable nationwide much sooner than later. Although Ariel is new to the US market, they have a very good reputation in 16 other nations, so the idea of Pedego being reputable in the US does not justify a $700.00 spike in the Pedego Interceptor price versus the Ariel Rider, in my opinion..Cheers,
Christopher
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Cameron Newland
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Hi @Joe Remi ,
If it was a necessity, I'm pretty sure I would have sided with the new features/upgraded Ariel Rider and still somehow manage to keep $700.00 in my pocket. Which still doesn't make any sense at all to me?
Cheers,
Christopher
So you didn't buy either bike, then? It seems like you have carefully avoided answering @Joe Remi 's question.
George S.
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Christopher's first post showed up on the same day the Ariel (or was it Aerial) showed up for review on EBR. Since then, all Christopher wants to do is compare the Ariel to a bike with a great reputation. He doesn't want to hear about anything else about ebikes. Surely Christopher has crossed the line. He isn't buying a bike, he's promoting a bike and dissing a competitor. You've hurt the brand, with me, Chris, if that's your name.
Christopher
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Hi @Cameron Newland ,
Is the "Q&A" forum only for "purchasing an e-bike" questions or is it ok for the EBR community to ask any e-bike questions in the "Q&A" forum when searching for answers?
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Nora Anderson
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Dear all,
I'm getting into the conversation as Christopher kindly let us know about this thread.
As I'm the customer service manager at Ariel Rider Ebikes, I feel like I need to address some of the questions raised here.
Dear @George S. Mr. Christopher has no relation to our company or whatsoever. I can easily send you a copy of our email conversation of the last few days to you. He's trying to buy a new ebike and simply just comparing some of his options.
Dear @RooHoo thank you for bringing this up as it's something we're also having hard time dealing with. These fake accounts started ever since we got into the US market, and they have no relation to us or whatsoever. I'm personally searching for these accounts and reporting them one by one to Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. I've managed to find some of the actual owners of those photos and sent them personal apology mails and copies of our reports. Which I can easily send to you as well. Online sales is often times a dirty business, we have tons of spam links to our website which if we don't take care of, google would eventually delete us from their search results, our website has been attached a few times just this year. What I'm trying to say is, it's very easy to get a company black listed online by these methods, which we have to fight against on a daily basis.
About that Huntington beach shop information, I was the one who actually deleted the photo but not because of the reason you think. There was a really nasty comment under it by the owner of a competitor company. So we decided to delete the photo all in all. You can actually contact with that shop in Huntington Beach, they're very happy with our ebikes and actually waiting for their shipment right now.
@Cameron Newland Thank you for bringing this up. There's obviously a glitch on our website. We're actually available throughout west coast. I'll get in touch with our IT to get that glitch sorted out. Obviously a service point in Nuremberg wouldn't work for anyone in the US
And for the rest, please do not hesitate to contact me via here or by mail (info [at] arielrider [dot] com) if you have any further questions. I'd be more than happy to answer your questions.
We're fully aware that we're new in the US market, however, that doesn't necessarily mean that we're new in the industry. It's been over 6 years that we're in the industry and most of the shop owners in CA that we work with knows our founders personally for years. So we're here to stay
PS. As for the USB port option situation, we're actually the first company to use a USB port on their ebikes about 4 years ago (just like we're the first company to use light sensors to automatically turn on the lights or actual rear brake lights). The problem with USB ports is, when your phone battery is fully charged, it doesn't actually cut off the electricity, which may end up with frying your phone. So we decided to ditch USB ports for all. The technology clearly might have been advanced and solved that issue, however, most of our clients said they're not using the ports at all, just as our previous fancy screens with embedded light sensors were making the bikes a thief magnet.
Best,
Nora
I'm getting into the conversation as Christopher kindly let us know about this thread.
As I'm the customer service manager at Ariel Rider Ebikes, I feel like I need to address some of the questions raised here.
Dear @George S. Mr. Christopher has no relation to our company or whatsoever. I can easily send you a copy of our email conversation of the last few days to you. He's trying to buy a new ebike and simply just comparing some of his options.
Dear @RooHoo thank you for bringing this up as it's something we're also having hard time dealing with. These fake accounts started ever since we got into the US market, and they have no relation to us or whatsoever. I'm personally searching for these accounts and reporting them one by one to Facebook, Instagram and Twitter. I've managed to find some of the actual owners of those photos and sent them personal apology mails and copies of our reports. Which I can easily send to you as well. Online sales is often times a dirty business, we have tons of spam links to our website which if we don't take care of, google would eventually delete us from their search results, our website has been attached a few times just this year. What I'm trying to say is, it's very easy to get a company black listed online by these methods, which we have to fight against on a daily basis.
About that Huntington beach shop information, I was the one who actually deleted the photo but not because of the reason you think. There was a really nasty comment under it by the owner of a competitor company. So we decided to delete the photo all in all. You can actually contact with that shop in Huntington Beach, they're very happy with our ebikes and actually waiting for their shipment right now.
@Cameron Newland Thank you for bringing this up. There's obviously a glitch on our website. We're actually available throughout west coast. I'll get in touch with our IT to get that glitch sorted out. Obviously a service point in Nuremberg wouldn't work for anyone in the US
And for the rest, please do not hesitate to contact me via here or by mail (info [at] arielrider [dot] com) if you have any further questions. I'd be more than happy to answer your questions.
We're fully aware that we're new in the US market, however, that doesn't necessarily mean that we're new in the industry. It's been over 6 years that we're in the industry and most of the shop owners in CA that we work with knows our founders personally for years. So we're here to stay
PS. As for the USB port option situation, we're actually the first company to use a USB port on their ebikes about 4 years ago (just like we're the first company to use light sensors to automatically turn on the lights or actual rear brake lights). The problem with USB ports is, when your phone battery is fully charged, it doesn't actually cut off the electricity, which may end up with frying your phone. So we decided to ditch USB ports for all. The technology clearly might have been advanced and solved that issue, however, most of our clients said they're not using the ports at all, just as our previous fancy screens with embedded light sensors were making the bikes a thief magnet.
Best,
Nora
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