Groundbreaking *4 wheel* simplicity???

[DashRiprock]

If you change out the seat you'll open a rabbit hole of options. Some mopeds (like the gas powered ones that got popular in the 70's) use regular seat post style seats. PUCH had some comfy ones! Go to Treatland.tv and hop into the seat section!

puch maxi racer seat

the new and improved puch maxi long racer seat! this one is ready to mount with no cutting or hacking required. it sits low like you want it.

www.treatland.tv

Now how cool are all of these and exactly what I've been looking for!!!
Thank you my friend!!!
Maybe it's just nostalgia driven by my banana seat bicycle days yet I love my Soletri's seat and really hate the little triangles. My favorite seat ever was on the old Polaris Sportsman 500 series atvs. If we ever use these things for mobility devices these seats will have to look more like Sixtythreezero's recently released semi-recumbent trike.

 

[DashRiprock]

Here's the 3-wheel (reverse trike) in action:

I think that I'll stick with my plan to lower the seat...a lot.

 

[sc00ter]

I've seen the trike versions many times already. SixThreeZero is not the exclusive seller of reverse trikes. With most of all these ebikes it seems that they all originate from the same factory in China, and you as a vendor has a few things "changed" to make it your own. Fat tires, dual batteries, faster controller and other things to make said cookie-cutter ebike "your" model. Even Lectric has a clone brand called Mooncool. Above is a reverse trike, a tilting one. I've never ridden a tilting reverse trike but SixThreeZero sells one with normal size tires. My wife had many trike motorcycles and scooters, and even a reverse trike with a Can-Am.

I take it you've ridden a trike before? I'm only asking because I HATED them at first but once I got used to their quirks and strange behavior I actually find them kinda fun. I've always wanted a Piaggio MP3 scooter but the price and the lack of local support stopped that really fast. I've also seen people crash them. I bet the above video the person was going to fast or let go of a grip., causing a tumble. That's the one reason everyone says to try as hard as possible to get as many test rides in as possible before settling on any one style (reverse tilting, normal trike, upright, semi-recumbent, quad wheel).

I bought a used BUZZ trike for my wife. She hated it. I traded it for a mountain bike to a friend who can ride a normal 2-wheel bike just fine. He LOVES that BUZZ trike and has put silly miles on it! I did find it fun to ride as well. It was a mid-drive and it was very quick off the line.

 

[kevinmccune]

its kinda strange,that thing was only 350 watts and it pulled like champ( the one i had recieved before it looked like it had been dropped from about 10',destroyed fork,etc. It felt so alien when I first rode it it scared me to death,glad your friend got good use out of it( want a brand new filldo 700 city bike for $400-500 watts and its beauty even has hydraulic brakes) anyway anytime I sit my sights on a trike somebody will give a bad review and make me gun shy, balance issues plague me now and after couple of face plants I am sort of scared to get back on a 2 wheeler-kevin

 

[DashRiprock]

Interesting to see this in 1st gear(?) at maximum pedal assist (5?) and how much pedal effort is (seemingly) being exerted to make it up that hill.
I have yet to witness a camera view yet which gives any hill the justice that it deserves.
What it might be showing though are the obvious upper limits of a 750W motor driving (4) 4" tires.
For some, this thing will need to be modded motor/battery-wise like an old Model A to meet their specific needs
That it is obviously doing the job for what it is when tasked to is OK with me (for now).

 

[kevinmccune]

Interesting to see this in 1st gear(?) at maximum pedal assist (5?) and how much pedal effort is (seemingly) being exerted to make it up that hill.
I have yet to witness a camera view yet which gives any hill the justice that it deserves.
What it might be showing though are the obvious upper limits of a 750W motor driving (4) 4" tires.
For some, this thing will need to be modded motor/battery-wise like an old Model A to meet their specific needs
That it is obviously doing the job for what it is when tasked to is OK with me (for now).

bigger battery and controller,just make sure the hall effect sensors are operable( of course when you smoke it you can upgrade the motor)

 

[kevinmccune]

Interesting to see this in 1st gear(?) at maximum pedal assist (5?) and how much pedal effort is (seemingly) being exerted to make it up that hill.
I have yet to witness a camera view yet which gives any hill the justice that it deserves.
What it might be showing though are the obvious upper limits of a 750W motor driving (4) 4" tires.
For some, this thing will need to be modded motor/battery-wise like an old Model A to meet their specific needs
That it is obviously doing the job for what it is when tasked to is OK with me (for now).

well the 630 ads said %50 off all bikes, I emailed them and asked why there was no%50 off the trikes,whoops! my bad even though this an ebikes site I guess more than 2 wheels disqualifies the discount. In no mood for bs this fine morning been bent over like an old man for 4 days now with crippling back pain and the clinic cannot see me till they run through the paperwork,they finally received the misdirected referral on Monday will not even do anything until the system gets me included( been seeing the same PA for probably 3 yrs what's the problem?)

 

[DashRiprock]

 

[PCeBiker]

I watched both videos and was wondering if the front axle pivots at all ?

I know the wheels "bend over" into a turn, but if you were to roll over say, a 3 inch bump with one of your wheels would the quad be standing on three wheels?

The first video showed the quad entering the dirt path where it went through a bit of a gully on an angle, and it seemed to rock to the side and make a clunking noise?

It would of course be Way Too Cool if it had 4-wheel independent suspension, but maybe it's just the big fat squishy tires that help to keep all four wheels touching the ground when one wheel hits a bump or gully?


EDIT: IT TILTS !!!

I watched the first video again and took a picture of my TV while he was leaning the quad over to one side and got a rear wheel off the ground,..

That's Pretty Damn Cool !!!

 

[DashRiprock]

Here's the latest on that crash above involving the quadricycle's cousin; the reverse etrike:

 

[DashRiprock]

I watched both videos and was wondering if the front axle pivots at all ?

I know the wheels "bend over" into a turn, but if you were to roll over say, a 3 inch bump with one of your wheels would the quad be standing on three wheels?

The first video showed the quad entering the dirt path where it went through a bit of a gully on an angle, and it seemed to rock to the side and make a clunking noise?

It would of course be Way Too Cool if it had 4-wheel independent suspension, but maybe it's just the big fat squishy tires that help to keep all four wheels touching the ground when one wheel hits a bump or gully?


EDIT: IT TILTS !!!

I watched the first video again and took a picture of my TV while he was leaning the quad over to one side and got a rear wheel off the ground,..

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That's Pretty Damn Cool !!!

I might have been seeing things...yet in one of those first parking lot videos; he's going in and out of some shadows moving towards the camera person not making any really drastic moves just swerving a bit. It was pretty clear to me that when he broke the shadow one of those times; one of the rear wheels was slightly off the ground similar to what you see above.
As you offered above, it's the give in these fat tires (imo) which keeps this thing planted in the turns absent any suspension whatsoever.
I think that anyone who counts too much on this not being so when turning at (?) speeds and on (?) incline will find themselves exactly where the reverse etrike guy did above or at least pretty uncomfortable.
This is why I would like to try my hand at fabbing the seat down to more of a recumbent level which I'm fairly certain that 630 will do if they ever have the opportunity to do so in later models.

 

[PCeBiker]

I might have been seeing things...yet in one of those first parking lot videos; he's going in and out of some shadows moving towards the camera person not making any really drastic moves just swerving a bit. It was pretty clear to me that when he broke the shadow one of those times; one of the rear wheels was slightly off the ground similar to what you see above.
As you offered above, it's the give in these fat tires (imo) which keeps this thing planted in the turns absent any suspension whatsoever.

I missed that part, but if the front axle doesn't pivot, then when the rear wheel lifted off the ground it would have lifted the front wheel on the same side off the ground as well.
But it didn't, and three wheels stayed on the ground.
That's a good thing.

If both front and rear wheels lift off the ground together then it flips over easier.
Having the rear wheel come off the ground first, then have to lift Way Up before it starts to pull the front up gives to time to react and prevent toppling over.

I think that anyone who counts too much on this not being so when turning at (?) speeds and on (?) incline will find themselves exactly where the reverse etrike guy did above or at least pretty uncomfortable.

I'm sure you could still tip the thing over, but I bet that you could get really good at cornering on three wheels if you practice?

The design looks very forgiving to me with room to play in fudge area.

I remember seeing a car at a car show go up a ramp on the right side of the car. He got off the ramp then continued driving around the track on the two left wheels of his car.

This is why I would like to try my hand at fabbing the seat down to more of a recumbent level which I'm fairly certain that 630 will do if they ever have the opportunity to do so in later models.

Yeah that makes sense on any vehicle, but maybe not so much on a quad meant for older people?

I remember my mother trying to get into my car that was kind of a sports car and really low to the ground.

She struggled and groaned and held on to the handles with all her might to get herself seated.

 

[DashRiprock]

I need some help here in terms of this alternative design motor ever fitting on this quadricycle.
At the 2:37 mark he mentions applications beyond the standard fork style fit.
What do you think of the motor (period) and would it be a good fit for this quadricycle burdened by the California regulatory crap limiting its ability to haul passengers and cargo effectively?
I'll get back to you sometime, PC/Kevin; just found this and wanted to share.

 

[PCeBiker]

I need some help here in terms of this alternative design motor ever fitting on this quadricycle.
At the 2:37 mark he mentions applications beyond the standard fork style fit.
What do you think of the motor (period) and would it be a good fit for this quadricycle burdened by the California regulatory crap limiting its ability to haul passengers and cargo effectively?
I'll get back to you sometime, PC/Kevin; just found this and wanted to share.

All I know is that Grin makes quality stuff that's well engineered and well built but costs more.
It's all open source information too.
Nothing proprietary.

And it ships from Canada so you may not have an import tariff?
I'm sure is got parts inside that are made in China though, just like everything else so maybe there will be an importing issue ?

I know that at least one of their motors is available in a slow speed or fast speed winding, so you can get more torque with less top end speed from the same motor.

Which is probably what you would want with a heavy quad that might be power limited by your local government.

 

[DashRiprock]

My wife had many trike motorcycles and scooters, and even a reverse trike with a Can-Am.
I bought a used BUZZ trike for my wife. She hated it.

I'll be happy if she rides this even two or three times and pretends to like it.
If she had owned/ridden many trike motorcycles, scooters and a CanAm...I would have already ordered the motor above and a Harley two-up seat with tassels..

 

[PCeBiker]

Here's the latest on that crash above involving the quadricycle's cousin; the reverse etrike:

I watched the video and I'm kinda thinking that the trike doesn't really serve any useful purpose?

It takes more balance and practice than a two wheeled bike.
It leans over, but not like a regular bicycle and becomes dangerous when you lean too far.


I still think that the quad is a great design though.
It's got four wheels on the ground and isn't supposed to be leaning over.
The leaning only happens on the front end when you go over uneven surfaces but the rear end is supposed to stay "grounded" all the time.

If the rear end starts to lift off, you can probably steer out of it and set it back down.

 

[PCeBiker]

I need some help here in terms of this alternative design motor ever fitting on this quadricycle.
At the 2:37 mark he mentions applications beyond the standard fork style fit.

That's the video I just watched a few days ago.
It looks like the Grin motor is adaptable to fit almost anything, including being bolted off the side of an axle, so it should fit and work on your quad?

I don't know how many motors you would want or need and if the regulations will limit what you are able to do though?


I noticed that the axle dropout spacing is either 170mm or 190mm with adaptors to make them 177mm or 197mm, but my e-bikes rear dropout appears to be 185mm with a BAFANG G062 motor, so I don't know what's going on?

I need to measure it again more carefully.
I've been thinking about a Grin regenerating motor for a while now.

You can get a throttle that gives more power as you twist it on, then gives progressive braking when you twist the throttle backwards.
I think that's pretty damn cool !!

 

[DashRiprock]

Design-wise, I have no problem with the thing save for what we are paying in today's market for seemingly much more/much better suspended and powerful; even when talking 2 wheels versus four which I'll still stand behind given what I've seen out there to date shipped free to my door (personal opinion). I don't begrudge anyone for that perceived difference as I would charge just as much as possible myself (capitalism) and plan to fix these two things myself if possible.
As for the mobility possibilities for older people and the ease of access, I think that their other office-style model (trike) proved this short of making the seat swivel. Nothing's perfect yet the stability is there, the power at speed (not much needed) and relative size for a cargo-carrying machine that'll still fit in to most tight spaces.
Right now, I believe the motor to be its biggest glaring weakness save for the center of gravity, seat and handlebar/pedal positioning whenever per the last two are solved.

 

[DashRiprock]

Didn't now that the twist throttle worked that way on the Grin and have never previously heard of the concept. I also wasn't sure about the alternative axle positioning use so thanks for confirming. Not sure what I'd be getting in to as I haven't studied the rear differential or even how the drive works yet I'm 'all in with the Grin' if it indeed will adapt somehow.
Probably should wait for someone to simply come out with what I want yet I believe that this market in particular might change for the worse very soon.

 

[PCeBiker]

Didn't now that the twist throttle worked that way on the Grin and have never previously heard of the concept.

There's a few different ways to activate the regeneration with a Grin hub motor, including a regular brake lever with graduated regeneration as you squeeze the lever, and a thumb dial that rotates forwards and backwards for acceleration and regeneration.

Probably should wait for someone to simply come out with what I want yet I believe that this market in particular might change for the worse very soon.

That's what I'm thinking.
Nobody wants to invest in R&D of new technology when the market has tanked.