What sells and will sell or not sell in the US based on total threads for top ebike brands

[Ebiker01]

It will show what is popular maybe what are most popular ebikes bought but not necessary that.
Unfortunately there is no filter to have them listed in order so i’ll just list top 10 as of right now-april 9/2019.
W/o a question Stromer is nr. 1 and will be for awhile due to it’s allure, Big battery, and many other factors.
So,

STROMER- 751
RADPOWER-610
SPECIALIZED-490
JUICED-458
BH/EASY MOTION- 353(counted for Bh threads and E. M threads)

HAIBIKE-332
8FUN-198
IZIP-196
PEDEGO-133
RIESE&MULLER-114

Slowly making progress BIKTRIX -111, VOLTBIKE-107 then GIANT, TREK (close to 100).


Solid warranty from the top- I would say except Stromer, Specialized (too many issues but making progress and great bikes nevertheles !!) all other top 10 brands have very solid warranty +dealer presence. Not sure about Izip and 8fun though !

I may update this list monthly. Very interestingly Juiced and Rad power are 2nd and 4th place.

That means people want either what may look like very high quality ( i have my doubts regarding Stromer and Specialized due to their intermittent issues) ; but on the other hand Bulls /Haibike /BH Are indeed with much less issues
OR
affordable products (under 2.5k with BIG BATTERYand Powerfull motor ?) -JUICED/RADPOWER with good quality which those bikes do have. Not great quality but still very decent that serves the purpose.
Congrats to the owners of those 2 brands for no doubt disrupting the market and continuing to increase their sales for near and long term future !!
It is highly unlikely (I would say 99.95% accurate) that a big company say Bulls or Bh or anybody in the top ten, will come with a 1kw pack /750watts motor under 2.5k. At least for the next 2-3years.

Ps - It does look like Specialized or any of the top 5-6brands s in a position to do just that and overtake the market IF they fix the quality issues/lower prices/ UP the bat. ️And motor️️ .

 

[Tyler S]

Interesting stuff! Thanks for putting in the work to put this together!

 

[Ebiker01]

Interesting stuff! Thanks for putting in the work to put this together!

Thank you, indeed after i finished it, it got really interesting...

 

[Mr. Coffee]

Impressive, but probably not a good map of the territory.

There are something less than 15,000 forum members on this site.

2017 US E-bike sales were around 260,000 https://leva-eu.com/2018/01/09/usa-electric-bike-market-reaches-26000-in-2017/

Best estimate is that around 400,000 e-bikes were sold in the Netherlands in 2018 https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlto...s-for-the-netherlands-thats-now/#6d2394aa2e4a

So even with the most optimistic guesstimates it is pretty obvious that this site's membership only represents a tiny fraction of e-bike owners. Hard to know exactly what that fraction is but I would guess less than 1 percent.

And there is absolutely no reason to think that it is a representative 1 percent.

 

[Deleted member 4210]

Totally meaningless, other than a lot are typically about complaints. Pedego, Rad, and Magnum are top 3 sellers, and Stromer is not even close.

 

[Ebiker01]

Totally meaningless, other than a lot are typically about complaints. Pedego, Rad, and Magnum are top 3 sellers, and Stromer is not even close.

Besides the Rad and Stromer which i know also and you’re right, Care to provide the data to support that statement for Magnum/ Pedego ?
I’m not a e bike shop owner so i do not have the inside scoop on exact sales like youself. But i doubt that you have the data as well and just pulled those stats out of thin air ? Rad yea is def. a top seller as you see in my analysis also.
And you’re correct Stromer is not a top seller. Maybe a few thousands of units....My list , i said shows what’s selling not necessary that Spot 1 sells the most !
But is pretty obivious that online e bike sales are hot(Juiced/Rad) and that those brands have many customers.

 

[Ebiker01]

Impressive, but probably not a good map of the territory.

There are something less than 15,000 forum members on this site.

2017 US E-bike sales were around 260,000 https://leva-eu.com/2018/01/09/usa-electric-bike-market-reaches-26000-in-2017/

Best estimate is that around 400,000 e-bikes were sold in the Netherlands in 2018 https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlto...s-for-the-netherlands-thats-now/#6d2394aa2e4a

So even with the most optimistic guesstimates it is pretty obvious that this site's membership only represents a tiny fraction of e-bike owners. Hard to know exactly what that fraction is but I would guess less than 1 percent.

And there is absolutely no reason to think that it is a representative 1 percent.

As many other owners and myself included have 2 -4 or 5 e bikes, some even >5 (i have 2BH) , is pretty close to what is going in with the ebike market. so it would just extrapolate almost equally or maybe half at the lowest point if talking about total numbers.
Is just that the list does not show what sells the most. Say a brand like Magnum i know it does sell but no idea if it’s in the middle or further down of the top selling.
Also if you look at a top e bike shop online inventory like “Crazy Lenny “, they sell the most Bulls, Haibikes, Stromers and Bh’s...those not by coincidence also have the most threads.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

As many other owners and myself included have 2 -4 or 5 e bikes, some even >5 (i have 2BH) , is pretty close to what is going in with the ebike market. so it would just extrapolate almost equally or maybe half at the lowest point if talking about total numbers.
Is just that the list does not show what sells the most. Say a brand like Magnum i know it does sell but no idea if it’s in the middle or further down of the top selling.
Also if you look at a top e bike shop online inventory like “Crazy Lenny “, they sell the most Bulls, Haibikes, Stromers and Bh’s...those not by coincidence also have the most threads.

I'm trying very hard to understand your post.

Let me go at this a different way. Let's make some ridiculous assumptions:

• The average EBR forum member owns 5 e-bikes
• All EBR forum members are from the Netherlands
• All EBR forum members purchased all 5 of their e-bikes in 2018

That would make EBR forum members around 17 percent of e-bike owners who purchased their e-bikes in 2018 in the Netherlands. Again that is a fairly tiny slice of the whole world population of e-bikers.

My own guess is that something north of 1 million e-bikes were sold in rich countries in 2018. So that makes EBR's total membership a tiny slice of that world. Probably many more than ten times as many e-bikes were sold in China that same year. My personal guess is that the average e-biker in the world is (1) Chinese, (2) owns just one e-bike, and (3) rides a hub-drive bike that you've never heard of.

 

[Marci jo]

Totally meaningless, other than a lot are typically about complaints. Pedego, Rad, and Magnum are top 3 sellers, and Stromer is not even close.

Total agreement. This site tends to focus on complaints, so how can that be a representative sample.

 

[ebikemom]

What we learn from this is what ebikes are most talked about here. That, in and of itself, is of interest, isn't it?

 

[ebikemom]

This site tends to focus on complaints

Many of us don't complain, also. I love my bike! <insert hearts and flowers emoji>.

 

[OrTrek]

e-bikes-already-at-1-5-billion-annual-revenue-being-fought-for-globally

Somewhat interesting is Radpower at $30 million. Basis some Seattle reporting I saw this is up from $7.5 million in 2016.

 

[Ebiker01]

I'm trying very hard to understand your post.

Let me go at this a different way. Let's make some ridiculous assumptions:

• The average EBR forum member owns 5 e-bikes
• All EBR forum members are from the Netherlands
• All EBR forum members purchased all 5 of their e-bikes in 2018

That would make EBR forum members around 17 percent of e-bike owners who purchased their e-bikes in 2018 in the Netherlands. Again that is a fairly tiny slice of the whole world population of e-bikers.

My own guess is that something north of 1 million e-bikes were sold in rich countries in 2018. So that makes EBR's total membership a tiny slice of that world. Probably many more than ten times as many e-bikes were sold in China that same year. My personal guess is that the average e-biker in the world is (1) Chinese, (2) owns just one e-bike, and (3) rides a hub-drive bike that you've never heard of.

My topic is for Us sales ! I will correct it now.
That brings the % to about 5% , 15k members and 260k ebikes sold. And some have 2-3 ebikes maybe the percentage can be 7-8% ? Maybe even 10%-15% for regular buyers . What if a commercial buyer bought hundreds or thousand of ebikes (some colleges and companies do just that) ?
And is very similar say with whatver random election- you don’t need the whole group to individually decide to give an idea about the next winner. If it represents a good slice of the whole it can clearly tell the details. That’s why they do those market research tests for only 1k , 5k people or much smaller number that the totals but a significant one.
I thought it would be obvious that the thread pertains to nationwide figures, since say China has 200million ebikes on the street and many other factors for the countries outside US that would make this a looong time job to research and get some info.
I also agree with your assumption that the avg. e biker is from China, they started this. But yea i made a incomplete title thread and before i realized , it got out of my reasoning that it was supposed to be meant for the Us and i should have indicated that. Wrong assumption....

Having said that, and with your better info , how can we get some realistic sales numbers then ? Nationwide at least. Since there aren’t many sites , even if this forum compromises 5-10% or maybe 20% in the highest scenario of Us buyers , it is still very relevant. It may have many readers who do not post but from the postings you or i can deduct what is being sold or bought. There also some who post many threads , many times for thOse brands . I, for example posted great things about my bike in the Stromer forum just to make some suggestions and people got easily upset. But anyway only the number of threads counts not how many messages one has ...

 

[Ebiker01]

What we learn from this is what ebikes are most talked about here. That, in and of itself, is of interest, isn't it?

Yes absolutely , that got me started with making the thread and common sense would dictate that those most talked about , also have high sales figure and most of them do !
Some brands like Riese &Muleer which h is probably the best high quality ebike out there, since the prices are high but directly relevant with the quality don’t sell that much but they are becoming a top choice for the people who appreciate flawless quality and great design( i’m considering myself a Haibike Flyon or a Riese M. as my next ebike)

 

[Alex M]

What we learn from this is what ebikes are most talked about here.

Yes. This is the only conclusion one could draw from the number of threads.

 

[Deleted member 803]

Nonsense, absolutely no correlation to real sales.................e.g. Stromer is struggling and not far from pulling out of North America. Pedego sales are X levels ahead of anyone elses.

While I love the site, EBR is a tiny blip in the ocean of the ebike industry.

 

[ebikemom]

We enjoy our life here in this tiny blip!

A question: How do we figure out what the sales are for different ebike companies?

 

[Deleted member 803]

We enjoy our life here in this tiny blip!

A question: How do we figure out what the sales are for different ebike companies?

That will be very difficult to do from the vendor side. Might get get an idea if you can survey 500 to 700 recent purchasers randomly picked. Unfortunately the ebr universe does not represent the industry at large.

Forums in general attract specific types of users. I worked for a company that had terrible public reviews when in fact the incidence in returns, product dissatisfaction, repurchase intent were the best in the industry along with a annual sales.

 

[Deleted member 803]

Other than online I'd gather that Giant, Trek, and Specialized dominate the industry due solely to their retail presence. Perego has a large number retailers as well. I'd bet most folks would be surprised by the paltry number of bikes most vendors sell.

 

[Deleted member 803]

Other than online I'd gather that Giant, Trek, and Specialized dominate the industry due solely to their retail presence. Perego has a large number retailers as well. I'd bet most folks would be surprised by the paltry number of bikes most vendors sell.

Pedego....