TREK ALLANT+ ALL THE MODELS (7, 8, 9), ALL THE *Original* SPECS and my 9-15-19 RIde/Review

[Over50]

Several brief reviews have been posted in the last few days. A couple I didn't care for so much. This one was a little better than the other 2 I saw although it doesn't come close to an EBR review:

Trek’s new lineup of electric city bikes is gorgeous, speedy, and expensive

A price range of $3,600 to $6,000, thanks to top-of-the-line Bosch motors

www.theverge.com

The bikes must be hitting stores soon if they are now available to the media.

@Court, I hope you have plans to review the bike soon!

 

[FlatSix911]

Several brief reviews have been posted in the last few days. A couple I didn't care for so much. This one was a little better than the other 2 I saw although it doesn't come close to an EBR review:

Trek’s new lineup of electric city bikes is gorgeous, speedy, and expensive

A price range of $3,600 to $6,000, thanks to top-of-the-line Bosch motors

www.theverge.com

The bikes must be hitting stores soon if they are now available to the media. @Court, I hope you have plans to review the bike soon!

Nice bike, but there are better options available for $6,000.

 

[GuruUno]

PLEASE, give me those, broken down, specifically, and compared. I'd be interested to see what compares, and the reasoning.

 

[GuruUno]

So, now that there is more info, I'm a bit confused. Initially the specs for the weight of the bike was around 39 lbs. NOW the specs show it to be 51 lbs.!!!
(the 9.9 carbon Allant)

 

[GuruUno]

$4,200 vs $6,000 for an Allant 8 vs an Allant 9.9 (aluminum vs carbon) and the aluminum v8 is only 4 lbs. more that the v9.9 carbon, and the 9.9 has some different hardware, etc., is it really worth the extra $1,800? PLEASE, educate me before I blow my dough.

 

[FlatSix911]

So, now that there is more info, I'm a bit confused. Initially, the specs for the weight of the bike was around 39 lbs. NOW the specs show it to be 51 lbs.!!!
(the 9.9 carbon Allant)

The initial specs appear to be incorrect...

 

[Johnny]

I thought this picture was interesting.
Trek Speed bike with Bosch Gen4 motor,
1125whr battery,
Enviolo drive
and Gates carbon belt system:

View attachment 37890

This was the picture that got my attention. I believe Trek doesn't have a model like this , a model with front suspension, carbon belt and igh or do they?

 

[GuruUno]

This was the picture that got my attention. I believe Trek doesn't have a model like this , a model with front suspension, carbon belt and igh or do they?

I too would be interested int that, as $6k vs $2.kk is huge if the motor and battery are the same

 

[Ravi Kempaiah]

$4,200 vs $6,000 for an Allant 8 vs an Allant 9.9 (aluminum vs carbon) and the aluminum v8 is only 4 lbs. more that the v9.9 carbon, and the 9.9 has some different hardware, etc., is it really worth the extra $1,800? PLEASE, educate me before I blow my dough.

If I were you, I would go with the Allant 8S+ as it has the new Gen4 motor, 625whr battery and then install ....
a Kinect post,
a suspension upront,
and get some nice panniers and I would still be under $5K.
The extra $1K could be used for 4 years of service.

The ride quality on the 9.9 would certainly be better but the most important components on an E-bike are the motor and the battery and the Allant8+S has got the latest motor and battery + Kiox at $4.2K and that is a really good value.

 

[GuruUno]

Well, last week (Friday 9/13), Andrew Hawkins (The Verge) wrote an article specific to his experience after his test ride of the Allant 9.9 (link: https://www.theverge.com/2019/9/13/20864546/trek-bikes-allant-ebike-test-ride-speed-weight-price )
Well today (Sunday 9/15/19) I took a trek (eh!) to NYC to the very same store to test ride it. They opened at 11 AM, I chatted with 'Mike' who gave me the overview of the bike, I setup my Cobi app on my iPhone, and off I went for about 3 miles up 10th Avenue from West 72nd to West 103rd and back down Columbus Avenue to the Trek Store.
I'll in another post describe my opinions but to truly compare I need to ride the Allant 8S+ before I can say if it is a game changer or just a bunch of hype for the Smartphone Hub/application.

 

[GuruUno]

FYI, the bike was there for a Media Event and will be gone this week so I felt I needed to go try it out before waiting and getting overly anxious awaiting delivery on the ETA of November 25th by most dealers. Like I said, I still need to compare to the Allant 8S+ before I commit to either one but out the gate, it was very, very similar to my existing Super Commuter 8S +, and only being 1 pound lighter to me is not a "gotta have it" necessity. I can say that for what the Nyon vs the Cobi is, sure the Cobi has a ton of bells and whistles, but the gearset is what I need to compare before pulling the ripcord. And it's unknown to me if the Cobi is an optional upgrade from the initial and current advertising saying it's the Kiox (the current ad is misleading, as it shows both, and it's unknown which is stock and which is optional or what is supplied) "We reserve the right to make changes to the product information contained on this site at any time without notice, including with respect to equipment, specifications, models, colors, and materials." That's what they say.

 

[GuruUno]

It is very difficult to give a 100% evaluation of the experience without actually having the opportunity to use the bike for a few hours, as I would normally have liked to have done, but due to many factors, I was unable to. Given that, I'd still have to say that the experience was similar to a Super Commuter 8S+ and maybe there was some difference in the way the motor responded and was quieter the current vintage than but to be fair, I'd like to at some point in the near future have the opportunity to have that opportunity as well as to try the Allant 8S+. I did notice that the trigger shifter was super, super hard to push to change gears and I know if the clutch is locked on the derailleur it is usually harder, but on my Super Commuter 8S+ I don't have the same level of hardness that the trigger shifter was on the Allante 9.9 in either position. Also there was a loud banging when going over bumps, etc., which MIke showed me after telling him about it was the rear fender mounting being loose at the bottom where it attaches near the middle of the frame behind the motor which is an easy fix. Some considerations or concerns are regarding my desire to use a Redshift ShockStop Suspension Stem if I were to buy the Allante (either model) and their new center cable routing design behind the stem with cover underneath. I don't see a way to use one without major hassles. Bummer. Also, the rear fender rack provisions identical to the Super Commuter 8S+ for only a pannier type bag is a downer. One might think provisions would be there to have those eyelets, but maybe not on carbon fiber, who knows. All in all it was a fun experience and before I plunk down $6k I'll surely arrange for an extended use prior to consideration of purchase. Again, I'll also really really like to try the Allant 8S+ just to compare one to one. I know the display is not the Smartphone Hub, but that should not be a deciding factor, for me anyway. Oh, and 51.5 lbs...why? the battery or: "Bike and frame weights are based off Trek pre-production painted frames at time of publication. Weights may vary in final production."?????

Weight - 18kgs (39.68 lbs.) <---I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GOT THIS WEIGHT BUT IT IS 51.5 LBS!!!! AND ON BIKERUMOR.COM IT SAYS 22.1Kg which is 48.72 Lbs???????

 

[erutio]

What's the difference between the Allant+ 8 and 8S?

 

[GuruUno]

The specifications are at the first page of this post. One of the obvious thing is a different battery and motor

 

[GuruUno]

Allant+8 one color only and these specifications ($3,999.99)
Frameset

Frame	High-performance hydroformed e-bike frame w/integrated battery and Motor Armor, internal cable routing, post-mount disc, 5mm QR dropouts
Fork	Allant+ rigid alloy fork, 1-1/8'' steel steerer, 100x15mm thru-axle, post-mount disc brake

Wheels

Front Hub	Bontrager sealed bearing, 32-hole 15mm alloy thru-axle
Rear Hub	Bontrager sealed cartridge bearing rear hub, 32-hole, 6-bolt disc, 5mm QR
Rim	Alex MD35, Tubeless Ready, 32-hole, 35mm width, presta valve
Spokes	J-Bend, 14g, Steel, Black
Tire	Bontrager E6 Hard-Case Lite, reflective, wire bead, 60tpi, 27.5x2.4''

Drivetrain

Shifter	Shimano Deore Rapid-Fire Plus, 10 speed
Rear Derailleur	Shimano Deore M6000, mid cage, 42T max cog
*Crank	Size: M ProWheel alloy, 170mm
Size: L, XL ProWheel alloy, 175mm
Cassette	Shimano HG500, 11-42, 10 speed
Chain	KMC E10
Pedal	Bontrager Satellite City pedal

Components

Saddle	Bontrager Commuter Comp, 165mm width
Seatpost	Bontrager Approved, 31.6mm, 8mm offset, 330mm length
*Handlebar	Size: M Bontrager alloy, 31.8mm, 15mm rise, 600mm width
Size: L, XL Bontrager alloy, 31.8mm, 15mm rise, 660mm width
Grips	Bontrager Satellite Elite, alloy lock-on
*Stem	Size: M Bontrager alloy, 31.8mm, Blendr compatible, 7 degree, 70mm length
Size: L Bontrager alloy, 31.8mm, Blendr compatible, 7 degree, 90mm length
Size: XL Bontrager alloy, 31.8mm, Blendr compatible, 7 degree, 100mm length
Headset	FSA Integrated, sealed cartridge bearing, 1-1/8'' top, 1.5'' bottom
Brake	Shimano MT200 hydraulic disc

Accessories

Battery	Bosch PowerTube 500
Controller	Bosch SmartphoneHub
Motor	NEW Bosch Performance Speed, 75 Nm, 28 mph / 45 kph
*Light	Size: M, L, XL Trek Lync taillight, 50 lumens
Size: M, L, XL Trek Lync headlight, 500 lumens
Kickstand	Rear mount, alloy

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  Weight
  
  WeightM - 25.85 kg / 57 lbs

Allant+ 8S is 2 colors and these specifications ($4,299)

Frameset

Frame	High-performance hydroformed e-bike frame w/integrated battery and Motor Armor, internal cable routing, post-mount disc, 5mm QR dropouts
Fork	Allant+ rigid alloy fork, 1-1/8'' steel steerer, 100x15mm thru-axle, post-mount disc brake

Wheels

Front Hub	Bontrager sealed bearing, 32-hole 15mm alloy thru-axle
Rear Hub	Bontrager sealed cartridge bearing rear hub, 32-hole, 6-bolt disc, 5mm QR
Rim	Alex MD35, Tubeless Ready, 32-hole, 35mm width, presta valve
Spokes	J-Bend, 14g, Steel, Black
Tire	Bontrager E6 Hard-Case Lite, reflective, wire bead, 60tpi, 27.5x2.4''

Drivetrain

Shifter	Shimano Deore Rapid-Fire Plus, 10 speed
Rear Derailleur	Shimano Deore M6000, mid cage, 42T max cog
*Crank	Size: M ProWheel alloy, 170mm
Size: L, XL ProWheel alloy, 175mm
Cassette	Shimano HG500, 11-42, 10 speed
*Chain	Size: M, L, XL KMC E10
Size: M, L, XL KMC X10e
Pedal	Bontrager Satellite City pedal

Components

Saddle	Bontrager Commuter Comp, 165mm width
Seatpost	Bontrager Approved, 31.6mm, 8mm offset, 330mm length
*Handlebar	Size: M Bontrager alloy, 31.8mm, 15mm rise, 600mm width
Size: L, XL Bontrager alloy, 31.8mm, 15mm rise, 660mm width
Grips	Bontrager Satellite Elite, alloy lock-on
*Stem	Size: M Bontrager alloy, 31.8mm, Blendr compatible, 7 degree, 70mm length
Size: L Bontrager alloy, 31.8mm, Blendr compatible, 7 degree, 90mm length
Size: XL Bontrager alloy, 31.8mm, Blendr compatible, 7 degree, 100mm length
Headset	FSA Integrated, sealed cartridge bearing, 1-1/8'' top, 1.5'' bottom
Brake	Shimano MT520 4-piston hydraulic disc, post-mount 180mm rotor
Brake Rotor	Shimano RT56, 6-bolt, 180mm

Accessories

Battery	Bosch PowerTube 625
Controller	Bosch SmartphoneHub
Motor	NEW Bosch Performance Speed, 75 Nm, 28 mph / 45 kph
*Light	Size: M, L, XL Trek Lync taillight, 50 lumens
Size: M, L, XL Trek Lync headlight, 500 lumens
Kickstand	Rear mount, alloy

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  Weight
  
  WeightM - 25.63 kg / 56.5 lbs
  
  Weight limitThis bike has a maximum total weight limit (combined weight of bicycle, rider, and cargo) of 300 pounds (136 kg).

 

[FlatSix911]

Thanks for posting the specs... 56-57 lbs is pretty hefty

 

[Over50]

FYI, the bike was there for a Media Event and will be gone this week so I felt I needed to go try it out before waiting and getting overly anxious awaiting delivery on the ETA of November 25th by most dealers. Like I said, I still need to compare to the Allant 8S+ before I commit to either one but out the gate, it was very, very similar to my existing Super Commuter 8S ...

You've posted some really good info and I'm appreciative that you made the effort to catch that bike whilst it was on site for the media - and then posted about it. How about dual-battery as an additional advantage over your SC - would you add the additional battery if you purchased the Allant+?

At Trek's website, they say you can use panniers or a trunk bag with the minimalist pannier rack. I wondered if that meant they might offer a new bag made for the rack. My dealer wasn't aware of one.

I was pretty excited about the bike when I thought it was going to be 40 pounds. But I after giving it some thought, and after two different weights were posted, 41 seemed pretty unrealistic. But 51 seemed high. I guess I would have expected or been happy with something in the mid-40s. I had two main targets in mind for another bike: 1). a light, stealth (and lite assist) commuter - the Desiknio was at the top of my list or a 2). full suspension commuter (maybe the new R&M Super Delite). These were two areas I want/wanted to explore: 1). a commuter that relies mostly on my power - with some light assist or 2). full suspension - never experienced that before. I thought the new carbon Trek might be a middle ground on #1 (lighter, stealthier but also extremely long range). So now, as the weight comes in at 51 pounds, I'm kind of on the fence. They say carbon is more compliant (like full suspension, I've never ridden a carbon bike) - but I wonder if that holds or is noticeable at 50+ pounds?

 

[FlatSix911]

You've posted some really good info and I'm appreciative that you made the effort to catch that bike whilst it was on site for the media - and then posted about it. How about dual-battery as an additional advantage over your SC - would you add the additional battery if you purchased the Allant+? At Trek's website, they say you can use panniers or a trunk bag with the minimalist pannier rack. I wondered if that meant they might offer a new bag made for the rack. My dealer wasn't aware of one.

I was pretty excited about the bike when I thought it was going to be 40 pounds. But I after giving it some thought, and after two different weights were posted, 41 seemed pretty unrealistic. But 51 seemed high. I guess I would have expected or been happy with something in the mid-40s. I had two main targets in mind for another bike: 1). a light, stealth (and lite assist) commuter - the Desiknio was at the top of my list or a 2). full suspension commuter (maybe the new R&M Super Delite). These were two areas I want/wanted to explore: 1). a commuter that relies mostly on my power - with some light assist or 2). full suspension - never experienced that before. I thought the new carbon Trek might be a middle ground on #1 (lighter, stealthier but also extremely long range). So now, as the weight comes in at 51 pounds, I'm kind of on the fence. They say carbon is more compliant (like full suspension, I've never ridden a carbon bike) - but I wonder if that holds or is noticeable at 50+ pounds?

A carbon frame is nowhere like having a full-suspension. The carbon dampens the road vibrations a bit...that is all.

For my money, I would not spend extra dollars on a carbon frame electric bike... the relative benefit is low vs. the cost.

 

[GuruUno]

Well I agree with all of what your expectations and experiences as you state. I too was thrilled when they said 39 lbs. (but it's not) and with the new generation motor and battery, I would have possibly lived with the other negative stuff but now I'm not even sure it's worth selling my Super Commuter and if anything possibly consider the Allant 8+ S for a few pounds more than what I have with my current bike, does that make sense?

I always wanted an additional battery, but I could never justify the cost of $800 to $1,000 or maybe even more with the back rack to install the mounting capability on the Super Commuter 8, as my maximum rides have never been over 50 miles in one day yet (or even to just carry a spare battery) ........but I suffer badly from "range anxiety" being a previous owner of a Ford Focus EV for many years (early adopter). Fortunately, the Super Commuter can be ridden with no power assist with a little effort, unlike other e-bikes I have owned. I've actually rode 18 miles with no power with minimal difficulty (no major hills etc.). With that being said, to spend about $1,000 for the extra battery for the Allant 9.9 if needed might be acceptable if needed, but I don't think I need it nor do I think it keeps the streamlined appearance which is why the bike has an appealing look.

Also, I agree about the fork or some additional suspension, as I approach 70 years old my tired, old bones need as much cushioning as I can get.....

So, will I get a new Allant 9.9 or 8S? I'm uncertain at this point. With all the competition heating up just like in the automotive industry for electric there are surely to be a lot of choices and decisions to consider. However I must say that with the wide network of Trek dealers and their top notch support and customer service that is also a serious contributing factor to think about.

RE: Carbon and absorption negating additional needs for suspension components; I was told that and really couldn't say either way I felt any difference riding the Allant 9.9, albeit for only about 3 miles, hence my desire to try it out for an extended period of time before making any final decisions, especially when compared to the alloy model (Allant 8+S). In the automotive world, you make an EV lighter, it increase range, add a better battery and a better motor, you gain more distance, but in reality other than style, and increased minimal distance, what's it all about?

 

[Ebiker01]

With some DT swiss carbon rims, full carbon cockpit and cranks, a lighter saddle, is entirely possible to bring this ebike weight down a further 3-4 maybe 5lb.

And choosing size S can also assure a low starting weight. It can be a difference of 1-3lb between an S and L size.

Better and lighter pedals as well. Probably 45, maybe 44lbs is the maximum that can be achieved by buying lightweight and carbon components. Swapping the tires maybe another 250-350grams shaving.
Total cost - Maybe an additional 4-600$ expense.

That is amazing in itself as no other top commuter ebike is anywhere closer to 44-45lbs, option for xtra batttery.

A Stromer ebike can only dream to reach 45lbs as the frame is very beefy and heavy.