To the "Karens", and the "Carls" out there😂 Those riding dirty too.

I've never understood why it's "leur"
De ( the?)
Rail ( ok, that's sort of an alignment thing)
But why the personal pronoun ?

Particularly when you consider a derailer is indirectly moving the chain off it's cog from the impersonal / indirect side?

Is this a Carl or Karen thing?
 
We adopt words from other languages. The Germans do it perhaps more than others and this was well-illustrated a few years ago.

Around here it is Spanglish. 200 yeas-go it was mostly Spanish among the elite Californios such as Pico and Vallejo. Now Spanish is common among the common with a hint of English. This area was historically part of New Spain and Mexico. The indigenous, First Nations Americans mostly speak Spanish, for after all this is their home territory. The true 'Americans'. The temporary English only overlay is quickly fading. I can rarely order food without using Spanglish. The roots are showing and growing.
 
I've never understood why it's "leur"
Like in "conducteur"? :)
It is "-eur" that is important here, the English "-er", not "leur" :)
Now please tell me why double consonants are used in English? (You could just "tel me") :D
 
One might think the French word "derailleur" would be simplified to "derailer" for sheer simplicity. It has not happened, perhaps out of some snobism? :)
French dictionaries are full of borrowings from English, probably because it's practical or it comes from the usage, when it's a french word it's by snobbism ! Perception ? ;)
 
Gadzooks. How off-track can you get? But this is the internet, so the answer is "utterly".

You misunderstood my comment. That derailleur vs. fixie bit was an almost throwaway illustration to dryly note the ineffectiveness of a small minority to complain about something in wide use by the majority. Fixie riders were once the vast majority, very influential in cycling and they dictated terms on public opinion and competition (it took 38 years for the TdF to legalize the use of a derailleur. The guy below in the picture was instrumental in that). In the present day fixies are a tiny niche (fixies are never considered to be single-speed ebikes, even counting the Babymaker or the Luna Fixed which both took a fixie as their inspiration). As unimaginable as that shift away from fixed gears was then, so too is the inexorable shift to ebike ubiquity unimaginable now... to the haters at least. And they are growing fewer in number.

Fixie vs. derailleur refers back to a specific famous issue of cycling history that translates directly to today's hater/cheater scenario ... and we are slowly seeing the tide turn, just as it once did for fixies and derailleurs.
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Doesn't that sound familiar if you change the equipment around just a little to be ebike and bike?
Nice pic! Do you mean the Tour de France should be for ebikes?

Desgrange said that in 1902, when he was 37. He and Paul de Vivie, 49, published bike magazines. French races were staged to sell newspapers, magazines and bicycles.

De Vivie had founded a bicycle club in 1882. Often crossing the channel on business, he found English bikes so much better that he joined an English bicycle club. In 1887 he sold his textile business and became an importer. In 1889 he began manufacturing his own English bike, La Gauloise.

That year he was riding a La Gauloise when a reader, smoking a pipe, overtook him, recognized him, and challenged him to a race. He knew he’d need an edge. Copying an English Whippet, he mounted two chain rings in front and two in back.

Back then, the Whippet also had pneumatic tires, which had to be unglued to fix a puncture. It was the first bike with rim brakes. The French say the La Polyceler was the first derailleur, but that’s murky because it never went into production. The 1896 English Gradient was the first production bike with a derailleur, and it was a commercial success. The 1899 New Whippet had freewheel and a 4-speed derailleur, called the New Protean gear. De Vivie imported New Proteans to mount on his La Gauloises.

In 1901, Desgrange’s magazine joined the sponsorship of the 750-mile Paris-Brest race, established in 1891 and limited to French entrants (including a gas-powered Peugeot) to sell newspapers to the patriotic French. The first race was the debut of Michelin pneumatic tires, not yet in production. Their little workshop joined with the little English workshop that made the Humber in sponsoring over-the-hill Charles Terront. Dunlop got wind of it and sponsored Jiel-Laval, who owned a bike shop and had recently won more races than Terront.

Jiel-Laval raced on Michelins because Dunlops were essentially wheelchair tires. The automobile did well on the first day, averaging half the speed of the pneumatic fixies; then it faded. At first, Terront paced Jiel-Laval, but Jiel-Laval had a big advantage. Seeing the enormous profits at stake, Dunlop had hired a support team of eight, meaning one could always be riding alongside in case of a puncture. Terront had only a manager, waiting at each railway station. These tires were so new that Terront had not considered carrying repair tools. In the event of a puncture, he had to walk his bike to the next station, which could be miles ahead.

Jiel-Laval would eat and drink in cafes. Terront didn’t take these breaks because he’d once been poisoned; that’s how much was often at stake for sponsors. Still, after 64 hours, Jiel-Laval was so far ahead that he stopped to get some sleep. Terront passed hours sooner than expected. Jiel-Laval had the advantage of sleep, but instead of overtaking him, he fell farther and farther behind. Terront must have been going twice as fast. He finished in 72 hours. Jiel-Laval needed 80.

Both were world-class endurance racers. The vast difference in stamina was apparently due to the difference in seat position. Both had started out racing high wheelers, and Jiel-Laval’s seat had a similar position relative to the pedals. The English Humber's was farther back, meaning less knee bending at top dead center. A longer power stroke let Terront use an "overdrive" sprocket ratios and still climb hills. In the last 200 miles, he found that he still had the energy to finish the race faster, and his legs were still up to it.

Back to de Vivie. In 1902 the Touring Club de France sponsored a race which, like motorcycle trials, was not for speed but to negotiate a difficult course without putting a foot down. One of the four finishers was a woman, riding a La Gauloise fitted with a New Protean, which Vivie foppishly called a derailleur.

That’s when Desgrange, editor of a competing magazine, said, "I applaud this test, but I still feel that variable gears are only for people over 45. Isn't it better to triumph by the strength of your muscles than by the artifice of a derailleur? We are getting soft. Come on fellows. Let's say that the test was a fine demonstration - for our grandparents! As for me, give me a fixed gear!”

He was referring to de Vivie’s age,49. Even in a friendly one-on-one race at 36, he had used gear changes to compete in what his opponent thought was an athletic contest.

There had been no Dunlops in the 1891 race and their rider had come in 8 hours behind, but British and American consumers were led to believe Dunlops had won. Similarly, there was no French gearshift in the 1902 trials, but French consumers took pride in the derailleur as an earthshaking French invention. De Vivie came out with the Cheminot in 1906, which had his version of the New Protean. It flopped. Meanwhile, the British industry had turned its attention to hub transmissions (which I favor).

As a patriot, Desgrange was smarting over the defeat of Napoleon III's invasion of Germany when he was 6. Desgrange started the Tour de France in 1903 to persuade Frenchmen along the route that there was status in riding fast. Such status would make it hard to dodge the draft when Napoleon IV came along. The Tour would be a series of races along France’s borders. That way, patriotic fans could see how France looked on a map and imagine how much bigger the Tour could be if they could annex Germany and Austria in a great war.

As in other sports, mechanical aids were regulated, but a gearshift would have allowed them to pedal while bent forward farther than with a fixie. The eyes of manufacturers lit up with dollar signs. Reduced air drag would mean higher speeds, and the posture would mean less stability. Bicycle racing would become a highly entertaining blood sport, with potentially deadly pileups and cyclists flying off into ravines.

In 1928, Lucien Juy made a deal with Alcion to put his 2-speed derailleurs on the bikes of its team for a particular race. The team revolted. Manufacturers prevailed over Desgrange in 1937. Juy began raking in money with his 3-speed Simplex derailleur. Sales took off after the war when the French and the Italians began riding like racers. Helmet sales also took off, thanks to the delusion that they would keep racers safe. Dead men tell no tales, so who’s to say different? At the height of popularity on the continent, Juy switched to plastic in 1962.

By 1980, derailleurs were widespread in England and America. If 9 cogwheels is the minimum for a quality cassette, all these riders were fools. My brother was one. At 10 he’d easily ridden 40 miles across the Green Mountains on a 3-speed one day and back the next, but he wasn’t interested in bikes until he was a thousand miles away at college and his 1930s Citroen broke down beyond repair. He got around by bicycle and went to Colorado to train with the 1980 US Olympic team. When Jimmy Carter withdrew US participation, he was disappointed. I was relieved. I’m not saying I made phone calls, but if Carter had allowed him to compete, people would still be whispering that I’m the undistinguished brother of the illustrious Olympic cyclist.

He continued to train because he enjoyed it. One day he pedaled more than 300 miles from Greensboro to visit a sister in DC. He wouldn’t have mentioned if he hadn’t gotten torn up as he pedaled home the next day. He was speeding down a long hill in Virginia when an oncoming car veered over the line to force him onto the gravel shoulder. He wouldn’t have been going that fast on a good touring bike, and the seating geometry would have kept him in control.

He gave me one of his bikes to tour Greensboro with him. Now I understood why he spent so much time patching punctured tires, which he sewed and glued back on. Those tires had very little rolling resistance, and getting down over low bars really cut down air drag.

Most derailleur bikes look bad to me because the seats look too far forward to get a long power stroke. His seat was in a good position for that. With two unindexed downtube levers, I had no idea what gear I was in, but that was okay. With a good pedaling position, the wrong gear can be right. I hadn’t ridden a bicycle in 15 years, but I kept up with him as easily as he’d kept up with me when he was 10, going over the mountain range. We used multilane streets posted at 35 and seemed to be keeping up with traffic. It took incredibly little effort.

I was glad when it was over. The low position of the bars would make my stopping distance from 35 very long, however good the brakes were. In traffic, a driver might not see me with my head so low. In that position, I had poor situational awareness behind. In an emergency, the inertia of my upper body could steer the bike out from under me, as had happened to him on the gravel shoulder at maybe 50 mph or faster. On my old upright 3-speed, it would take twice as long to pedal 300 miles, but I’d be safe. If you’re not going to double over to average more than 15 mph, an old Sturmey Archer, with a 1.8 to 1 range, works fine.

I repaid the favor 43 years later, giving him an ebike to tour with me. I told him it was a 1-speed, so I used throttle to get up to speed, then rode it like a push bike. Instead of shifting down on a hill, I’d shift to a PAS level that would give me enough assistance to maintain cadence. Afterward, he said if he was used to riding a motorcycle, he’d like it, but he didn’t like it. So I’m a three-speed guy who would rather not have a derailleur, and he’s an accomplished derailleur guy who would rather not have an ebike.

You can still hope that the Tour de France will one day be a series of ebike races.
 
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French dictionaries are full of borrowings from English, probably because it's practical or it comes from the usage, when it's a french word it's by snobbism ! Perception ? ;)
How about the Academie Francaise, started in 1635 and still very active, dedicated to keeping anglo words out of French dictionaries? When they spot an anglo word, they get out their Scrabble tiles and concoct a word to replace it. In Scrabble, the L and the U are worth only 1 point each, but extending a word by 2 letters may get it to a Triple Word Score box.

In Vermont we had to take 3 years of French in preparation for annexation by Quebec when it seceded from Canada. The French teachers were good eggs who laughed as hard as everybody else each time they were required to make me speak French. They didn't hold it against me because they knew I wasn't trying to ridicule their ridiculous language.

The English teachers, on the other hand, belonged in federal pen. They were constantly telling us French was better, and they knew as little English as I knew French. The way to get an A on a book review was to choose one from their list that I hadn't read. If I reported on a work of literature that I'd read, they'd get confused, blame me, and give me a D. Either they had told us to read books they hadn't read, or they'd forgotten what was in the books, or they'd read without comprehension.

If I chose a book I hadn't read, I had nothing to express, so I was free to gratify an anglophobic English teacher by butchering the English language every way I could.
 
Any country does :)
Sure we all know that, but it gave me an entrée (!) to $hitstorm.
Around here it is Spanglish. 200 yeas-go ... This area was historically part of New Spain and Mexico.
Fun fact: Monterey was first the Spanish and then the Mexican capital of California (google tells me it was from 1776 to 1848). I ride by the capitol building every day as it is adjacent to the bike path, and will do so again on my way to my grocery pickup momentarily.

omigod an on-topic reference. wtf was I thinking.

Nice pic! Do you mean the Tour de France should be for ebikes?
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I've never understood why it's "leur"
De ( the?)
Rail ( ok, that's sort of an alignment thing)
But why the personal pronoun ?

I always thought that it was called a derailer until my spellchecker corrected me.

It still irritates me so I just picture Inspector Clouseau saying it, then it's just funny.


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Clouseau saying it,
Derailleur. De-rail-lure. It is like the lurer that derails. Can anyone stay right with their dog on the right? They wonder all over, looking at zombie phones while letting dogs drift by smells. Walk right people, heads up. Using the correct lure helps.
 

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I wonder if they actually wonder about anything while they're wandering around staring at their phone?

Do they even have a moment to think for themselves?

Does the device dictate the wander and the wonder?
I wonder if the dog wonders about anything while it wanders about?

Dogs probably need phones too.

I wonder how big that fish really is?
If you hold a fish way out in front of you and get the camera up close, the fish looks as big as the person holding it.

PS,.. Tube jigs work AWESOME for catching big bass, but you need good tweeters for lots of treble.
Dogs are woofers too.
 
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I remember going into a stereo shop in the early 80's to buy a receiver with a spatial expander to increase the stereo effect between the left and right channels.

I asked for the receiver with the "Spat-e-ul" expander.

The guy smirked and pointed me to the receiver with the "spatial" expander.

Why not "spacial" expander?
Then I could read it and say it properly. 😂

Increase the "space" between the speakers,... "spacial",..


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I don't care about the derailleur, but I'm going to fight for the Spacial revolution, because I've got skin in the game.

I embarrassed myself in the 80's. 😂
 
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What were we talking about????
Abstract:
A sick man creates an abusive thread.
A guy who thinks a $1,600 e-bike is any better than a $500 e-bike.
We've put some humour into it :)

(Apologise for my British English! I still think it is a "mudguard" not a "fender" and a "flyover" not an "overpass") :D
Your turn to deraille the thread. 😂
It's "derail", my friend :D
Or, "hijack"!
 
Still going strong. Timeless designs. They got it right, but I’ll keep my Martins.
It was a joke, of course! I owned a Japanese copy of a Fender Precision Bass by name Greco Electric Bass 1978, and there was no better bass guitar I ever had!
I owned a Fender Telecaster 50th Anniversary. The guitar was not good for my style; replaced with a Pearl Custom Export 1979.

Both guitars perished in a fire...

You can shortly see my Greco in this video.
 
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