skullbilly
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Bob your killing us LOL! pls give us ordering details can't wait to add the forks to our bikes
Thanks, Bill and Marilou
Lectric XP
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Bob your killing us LOL! pls give us ordering details can't wait to add the forks to our bikes
Thanks, Bill and Marilou
bobn4burton
Member
Haha, sorry. Was crazy busy at work this week.
I'll get everything posted this weekend, including a how to video.
I just got my second shock this week and will be adding the suspension fork to my second XP this weekend as well!!
bobn4burton
Member
OK...here is info needed for the suspension fork upgrade. I'll give a quick shopping list followed by more details on everything below.
Quick list:
1. Pasak P35 20 inch suspension fork (Pasak P35 20 inch air suspension fork on AliExpress)
2. Neco H185 Headset (Neco H185 Headset on Ebay)
3. Spacer [OPTIONAL] (Steerer tube threadless spacers)
4. Adjustable folding steam (Adjustable folding bike stem)
More details:
1. Suspension fork: I used the Pasak P35 20 inch air suspension fork. This is an air shock and so far I think it's been working great. I'm not a bike guru...so I can't comment on the quality vs a high end name brand shock like RockShox, RST, etc...but I'm very pleased and works great for the purposes of this style of bike. You can buy these on ebay and aliexpress. I got mine from AliExpress.
I one one from here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000589965001.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.18.7b011236ehqcSY
I wasn't super impressed with JKlapin Biking. Their communication was usually pretty delayed and they didn't ship the second shock. After finally shipping it, the shock was returned to sender for some reason...all in all, I wouldn't say that they should be avoided...but there was definitely room for improvement.
I got my second shock from here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000138191431.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.527a4c4dujZwCD
Rubin bike doesn't have as much feedback...but my service was awesome from them! So maybe they are hungry being a newer merchant...but with my single purchase I was beyond happy.
It should be also noted, that the Pasak shock comes in an air and an oil variant. The oil variant is slightly cheaper...but should still work if you want a little less performance... For what it's worth, I'm almost certain the Rattan Fat Bear Plus ebike comes with the Pasak oil based suspension fork....downgrade from my air variant.
At the time, this appeared to be the only shock that worked which I could find reliably (20 inch, fat tire, etc). Now it appears there is one more shock, the RST Guide: https://www.biktrix.com/products/rst-guide-fork
I can't comment on the RST shock as I just barely saw it a couple days ago. It's the shock found on Aventon Sinch bike.
2. Neco H185 Headset. This was my happiest discovery. After a bunch of searching, I finally figured out the exact headset used on the production Lectric XP...it's a Neco H184 headset (this should be true for production XP's...it may not be true for early prototypes as pictures I saw of those looked different than my headset). The nice thing is that the H184 and H185 are almost identical to each other. The H184 is a threaded headset and the H185 is the threadless version. So this works out great because I didn't have to change the cups in the steerer tube! Basically I just bought the H185 headset...but really only needed the crown race (simply because I didn't wanna take the old one off the original XP rigid fork), and the couple of parts at the top of the headset that are specific to threadless variant. You can get it here: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=h185. I also found it on Amazon...but it comes and goes there.
3. Steerer tube threadless spacers. This part is COMPLETELY OPTIONAL and not needed at all. The only reason I got this was because I have commitment issues
Using a spacer allowed me the piece of mind that if I happened to cut my fork's steerer tube too short...I could remove the spacer and have a second/third chance, haha. This also could be a good option if anyone wants to raise their handlebars further...
4. Adjustable folding stem. The folding stem that comes on the Lectric XP is for a threaded fork and won't work with the threadless fork. So you need to swap that folding stem as well. There are potentially a bunch of different varieties that would work that can be found on ebay/amazon/aliexpress. I was trying to find one that folds to the right (same as original). I ultimately went with this one: https://www.amazon.com/SENQI-Handlebar-Adjustable-Accessories-28-6×25-4×410mm/dp/B07D5S3HJ3/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=senqi+adjustable+stem&qid=1585596154&sr=8-3
It was available in black from Amazon when I bought mine, but I'm only seeing silver on Amazon now... You can also find the same stem on AliExpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32909662921.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.2cf92e0e3cY1SK
There are other merchants on AliExpress that sale the same stem.
I don't like this stem quite as much as the original. The original utilized more welds and feels a bit more sturdy. This stem is not bad...I'd give it an 8/10 whereas the original would have been a 10/10. I did find what I think is our original stem but in a threadless version...but still digging into that. I'll update if I find more info on it.
And that's basically it. You really only need the 3 parts (4 if you want the spacer).
I'm finishing up a how-to video that I'll post on youtube to give step by step instructions. But it was all rather easy. You basically remove the old folding stem, take off brake/fender/light, remove the old fork, put on the new fork, put on brake/light, and put on the new folding stem.
Let me know what questions you have...
Quick list:
1. Pasak P35 20 inch suspension fork (Pasak P35 20 inch air suspension fork on AliExpress)
2. Neco H185 Headset (Neco H185 Headset on Ebay)
3. Spacer [OPTIONAL] (Steerer tube threadless spacers)
4. Adjustable folding steam (Adjustable folding bike stem)
More details:
1. Suspension fork: I used the Pasak P35 20 inch air suspension fork. This is an air shock and so far I think it's been working great. I'm not a bike guru...so I can't comment on the quality vs a high end name brand shock like RockShox, RST, etc...but I'm very pleased and works great for the purposes of this style of bike. You can buy these on ebay and aliexpress. I got mine from AliExpress.
I one one from here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000589965001.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.18.7b011236ehqcSY
I wasn't super impressed with JKlapin Biking. Their communication was usually pretty delayed and they didn't ship the second shock. After finally shipping it, the shock was returned to sender for some reason...all in all, I wouldn't say that they should be avoided...but there was definitely room for improvement.
I got my second shock from here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000138191431.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.527a4c4dujZwCD
Rubin bike doesn't have as much feedback...but my service was awesome from them! So maybe they are hungry being a newer merchant...but with my single purchase I was beyond happy.
It should be also noted, that the Pasak shock comes in an air and an oil variant. The oil variant is slightly cheaper...but should still work if you want a little less performance... For what it's worth, I'm almost certain the Rattan Fat Bear Plus ebike comes with the Pasak oil based suspension fork....downgrade from my air variant.
At the time, this appeared to be the only shock that worked which I could find reliably (20 inch, fat tire, etc). Now it appears there is one more shock, the RST Guide: https://www.biktrix.com/products/rst-guide-fork
I can't comment on the RST shock as I just barely saw it a couple days ago. It's the shock found on Aventon Sinch bike.
2. Neco H185 Headset. This was my happiest discovery. After a bunch of searching, I finally figured out the exact headset used on the production Lectric XP...it's a Neco H184 headset (this should be true for production XP's...it may not be true for early prototypes as pictures I saw of those looked different than my headset). The nice thing is that the H184 and H185 are almost identical to each other. The H184 is a threaded headset and the H185 is the threadless version. So this works out great because I didn't have to change the cups in the steerer tube! Basically I just bought the H185 headset...but really only needed the crown race (simply because I didn't wanna take the old one off the original XP rigid fork), and the couple of parts at the top of the headset that are specific to threadless variant. You can get it here: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=h185. I also found it on Amazon...but it comes and goes there.
3. Steerer tube threadless spacers. This part is COMPLETELY OPTIONAL and not needed at all. The only reason I got this was because I have commitment issues
Using a spacer allowed me the piece of mind that if I happened to cut my fork's steerer tube too short...I could remove the spacer and have a second/third chance, haha. This also could be a good option if anyone wants to raise their handlebars further...4. Adjustable folding stem. The folding stem that comes on the Lectric XP is for a threaded fork and won't work with the threadless fork. So you need to swap that folding stem as well. There are potentially a bunch of different varieties that would work that can be found on ebay/amazon/aliexpress. I was trying to find one that folds to the right (same as original). I ultimately went with this one: https://www.amazon.com/SENQI-Handlebar-Adjustable-Accessories-28-6×25-4×410mm/dp/B07D5S3HJ3/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=senqi+adjustable+stem&qid=1585596154&sr=8-3
It was available in black from Amazon when I bought mine, but I'm only seeing silver on Amazon now... You can also find the same stem on AliExpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32909662921.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.2cf92e0e3cY1SK
There are other merchants on AliExpress that sale the same stem.
I don't like this stem quite as much as the original. The original utilized more welds and feels a bit more sturdy. This stem is not bad...I'd give it an 8/10 whereas the original would have been a 10/10. I did find what I think is our original stem but in a threadless version...but still digging into that. I'll update if I find more info on it.
And that's basically it. You really only need the 3 parts (4 if you want the spacer).
I'm finishing up a how-to video that I'll post on youtube to give step by step instructions. But it was all rather easy. You basically remove the old folding stem, take off brake/fender/light, remove the old fork, put on the new fork, put on brake/light, and put on the new folding stem.
Let me know what questions you have...
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Edit : I should have searched first...found a code and got the panniers !
Hello everyone. I am pre-ordering an XP for April delivery and wondering if there are any coupon codes out there to get the free panniers? Or has that ship sailed...?
Can't wait to get out there !
peace
Hello everyone. I am pre-ordering an XP for April delivery and wondering if there are any coupon codes out there to get the free panniers? Or has that ship sailed...?
Can't wait to get out there !
peace
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Garland
Member
OK...here is info needed for the suspension fork upgrade. I'll give a quick shopping list followed by more details on everything below.
Quick list:
1. Pasak P35 20 inch suspension fork (Pasak P35 20 inch air suspension fork on AliExpress)
2. Neco H185 Headset (Neco H185 Headset on Ebay)
3. Spacer [OPTIONAL] (Steerer tube threadless spacers)
4. Adjustable folding steam (Adjustable folding bike stem)
More details:
1. Suspension fork: I used the Pasak P35 20 inch air suspension fork. This is an air shock and so far I think it's been working great. I'm not a bike guru...so I can't comment on the quality vs a high end name brand shock like RockShox, RST, etc...but I'm very pleased and works great for the purposes of this style of bike. You can buy these on ebay and aliexpress. I got mine from AliExpress.
I one one from here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000589965001.html?spm=2114.12010612.8148356.18.7b011236ehqcSY
I wasn't super impressed with JKlapin Biking. Their communication was usually pretty delayed and they didn't ship the second shock. After finally shipping it, the shock was returned to sender for some reason...all in all, I wouldn't say that they should be avoided...but there was definitely room for improvement.
I got my second shock from here: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000138191431.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.527a4c4dujZwCD
Rubin bike doesn't have as much feedback...but my service was awesome from them! So maybe they are hungry being a newer merchant...but with my single purchase I was beyond happy.
It should be also noted, that the Pasak shock comes in an air and an oil variant. The oil variant is slightly cheaper...but should still work if you want a little less performance... For what it's worth, I'm almost certain the Rattan Fat Bear Plus ebike comes with the Pasak oil based suspension fork....downgrade from my air variant.
At the time, this appeared to be the only shock that worked which I could find reliably (20 inch, fat tire, etc). Now it appears there is one more shock, the RST Guide: https://www.biktrix.com/products/rst-guide-fork
I can't comment on the RST shock as I just barely saw it a couple days ago. It's the shock found on Aventon Sinch bike.
2. Neco H185 Headset. This was my happiest discovery. After a bunch of searching, I finally figured out the exact headset used on the production Lectric XP...it's a Neco H184 headset (this should be true for production XP's...it may not be true for early prototypes as pictures I saw of those looked different than my headset). The nice thing is that the H184 and H185 are almost identical to each other. The H184 is a threaded headset and the H185 is the threadless version. So this works out great because I didn't have to change the cups in the steerer tube! Basically I just bought the H185 headset...but really only needed the crown race (simply because I didn't wanna take the old one off the original XP rigid fork), and the couple of parts at the top of the headset that are specific to threadless variant. You can get it here: https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fr...&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=h185. I also found it on Amazon...but it comes and goes there.
3. Steerer tube threadless spacers. This part is COMPLETELY OPTIONAL and not needed at all. The only reason I got this was because I have commitment issues
4. Adjustable folding stem. The folding stem that comes on the Lectric XP is for a threaded fork and won't work with the threadless fork. So you need to swap that folding stem as well. There are potentially a bunch of different varieties that would work that can be found on ebay/amazon/aliexpress. I was trying to find one that folds to the right (same as original). I ultimately went with this one: https://www.amazon.com/SENQI-Handlebar-Adjustable-Accessories-28-6×25-4×410mm/dp/B07D5S3HJ3/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=senqi+adjustable+stem&qid=1585596154&sr=8-3
It was available in black from Amazon when I bought mine, but I'm only seeing silver on Amazon now... You can also find the same stem on AliExpress: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32909662921.html?spm=a2g0s.8937460.0.0.2cf92e0e3cY1SK
There are other merchants on AliExpress that sale the same stem.
I don't like this stem quite as much as the original. The original utilized more welds and feels a bit more sturdy. This stem is not bad...I'd give it an 8/10 whereas the original would have been a 10/10. I did find what I think is our original stem but in a threadless version...but still digging into that. I'll update if I find more info on it.
And that's basically it. You really only need the 3 parts (4 if you want the spacer).
I'm finishing up a how-to video that I'll post on youtube to give step by step instructions. But it was all rather easy. You basically remove the old folding stem, take off brake/fender/light, remove the old fork, put on the new fork, put on brake/light, and put on the new folding stem.
Let me know what questions you have...
I am very interested in doing this mod!
Is there a dramatic difference in ride with the front suspension?
Did you have any problem getting the awful looking stickers off?
How long did it take to complete?
bobn4burton
Member
I think the ride difference is quite substantial. Of course if you are riding on smooth/flat pavement all the time then you won't notice much difference. But the second you go over any bumps (small or large) then there is a huge difference. You glide right over smaller bumps completely. And I can even go over curbs without too much of a bump. I rode on a dirt/bumpy rode over the weekend and it was quite a bit of difference there too.
No, stickers came of quite easily actually. Peeled right off...especially if you just go slower...they came off in mostly one piece.
It's fairly straight forward. Can be done in an hour. Maybe 2 if you go slower...
Garland
Member
I ordered the parts and am looking forward to your video. Thanks for doing all the legwork!
Wow, I am looking for suspension forks at the moment and I plan on adding a Tongsheng (if it will fit) mid drive along with the hub motor for more fun on the trails and riding anywhere.. I am glad I found this post! I think its cool you found the exact stem!! I am searching for the motor type and controllers someone told me its possible to actually find all the parts that make this bike. Since lectric wont sell all of them to their customer base... Thanks for the info!
You can open it up and look at the controller but its super generic, you search for it online and basically get nothing. The specs are there which is really what matters, what we need to know is exactly what cells are in the battery so we can calculate max discharge to see if we can pull more than 20amps. 20amp stock discharge is 2C, if these are indeed LG M26 then we could pull almost double that, I've heard people mention that but nothing confirmed. I would like to add another motor to the front w/ a second controller.
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I know you said you opened up the battery, so was it 100% the purple LG M26 with the proper LG model labels? The other guy just said they were purple and probably M26. Any pics? If they are indeed M26 then we can draw nearly twice the current or at least up to 30amp easily.
Sonder
Member
Hello, I'm from the Netherlands and following this topic.
I saw lectric XP on YouTube and I liked it. I never liked bikes but I wanted more exercise so...
Problem was they don't ship tot Europe, but I found somewhat of a replica.
Got it a couple of weeks now and U love it.
It is a Samebike XP
500 watt bafang
48v 10.4 ah battery
20 inch Chaoyang fat tires
I don't have your beautiful display, but I do have suspension front fork
After I adjust the speedometer to correct GPS speed, I reached a maximum speed of 38 km ph so that's 23,6 miles an hour.
I am in PAS 3 of 5 but I can't keep up with peddling if I turn it higher.
Normal riding with nice cadance is 28 km ph so 17 miles an hour.
I plan to visit a bike shop to change the gears.
The guy from Samebike (the dutch guy who imports them from China that is), said there is a 14t cassette in the rear wheel and I can't get smaller than 13.
So I probably need a bigger front blade and chain also.
The other issue I have is the battery.
I'm like 190 pounds and I ride in PAS 3 (higher is no sence cuz than I'm paddling through air) and I get 22 miles out of a charge wich is a bit dissapointing.
Ordered a second battery but due tot corona virus it is taking a while.
If I stay in level 2 the range is bigger.
Trying to find a bigger battery that still fits the bike, hoping for a 14ah.
But I love the bike and driving it almost every day 20 miles, lounge music in the headphones
Edit: just visited bike shop for advice on the gearing and hè thought a bigger front blade.
It is now 52t and they have ordered a 54t and will contact me when it's arrived.
Maybe a bigger chain is needed but replacing is done in 1 day.
I saw lectric XP on YouTube and I liked it. I never liked bikes but I wanted more exercise so...
Problem was they don't ship tot Europe, but I found somewhat of a replica.
Got it a couple of weeks now and U love it.
It is a Samebike XP
500 watt bafang
48v 10.4 ah battery
20 inch Chaoyang fat tires
I don't have your beautiful display, but I do have suspension front fork
After I adjust the speedometer to correct GPS speed, I reached a maximum speed of 38 km ph so that's 23,6 miles an hour.
I am in PAS 3 of 5 but I can't keep up with peddling if I turn it higher.
Normal riding with nice cadance is 28 km ph so 17 miles an hour.
I plan to visit a bike shop to change the gears.
The guy from Samebike (the dutch guy who imports them from China that is), said there is a 14t cassette in the rear wheel and I can't get smaller than 13.
So I probably need a bigger front blade and chain also.
The other issue I have is the battery.
I'm like 190 pounds and I ride in PAS 3 (higher is no sence cuz than I'm paddling through air) and I get 22 miles out of a charge wich is a bit dissapointing.
Ordered a second battery but due tot corona virus it is taking a while.
If I stay in level 2 the range is bigger.
Trying to find a bigger battery that still fits the bike, hoping for a 14ah.
But I love the bike and driving it almost every day 20 miles, lounge music in the headphones
Edit: just visited bike shop for advice on the gearing and hè thought a bigger front blade.
It is now 52t and they have ordered a 54t and will contact me when it's arrived.
Maybe a bigger chain is needed but replacing is done in 1 day.
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DWATSON
New Member
I Ordered 2 an am waiting till 3wk of this month April to get them shipped to me. Free panniers with you tuber code.
Yea, Its true I cant find it anywhere I almost but a generic one that looked Identical but was afraid i would ruin it..! I am looking at luna Cycles to add a mid drive! I hope to get it this week.
My controller says 18amps on it but the bike pulls 20 from the factory, which is 800-1000w over the voltage range of the battery. It seems it has a much more powerful motor than they lead on, even reviewers say it feels much more like a 750 than other 500's. I'd like to know what motor it is and what the torque rating is, was thinking of upgrading or adding a 2nd motor.
I’ll let you know because I’m about to do it I’m looking at a BSSHD from either the fan USA direct or Luna cycles per fan USA direct is about $300 cheaper but lunar cycles is the bomb Diggity but they are also $300 more expensive for all the parts I’m looking at spending about $1100 For a two motor system
Reformvette
Active Member
Does anyone know if Bob has posted a video of the disassembly / installation of the air suspension fork? Thanks.
Reformvette
Active Member
Does anyone happen to know what the model name is for this SameBike ebike?Hello, I'm from the Netherlands and following this topic.
I saw lectric XP on YouTube and I liked it. I never liked bikes but I wanted more exercise so...
Problem was they don't ship tot Europe, but I found somewhat of a replica.
Got it a couple of weeks now and U love it.
It is a Samebike XP
500 watt bafang
48v 10.4 ah battery
20 inch Chaoyang fat tires
I don't have your beautiful display, but I do have suspension front fork
After I adjust the speedometer to correct GPS speed, I reached a maximum speed of 38 km ph so that's 23,6 miles an hour.
I am in PAS 3 of 5 but I can't keep up with peddling if I turn it higher.
Normal riding with nice cadance is 28 km ph so 17 miles an hour.
I plan to visit a bike shop to change the gears.
The guy from Samebike (the dutch guy who imports them from China that is), said there is a 14t cassette in the rear wheel and I can't get smaller than 13.
So I probably need a bigger front blade and chain also.
The other issue I have is the battery.
I'm like 190 pounds and I ride in PAS 3 (higher is no sence cuz than I'm paddling through air) and I get 22 miles out of a charge wich is a bit dissapointing.
Ordered a second battery but due tot corona virus it is taking a while.
If I stay in level 2 the range is bigger.
Trying to find a bigger battery that still fits the bike, hoping for a 14ah.
But I love the bike and driving it almost every day 20 miles, lounge music in the headphones
Edit: just visited bike shop for advice on the gearing and hè thought a bigger front blade.
It is now 52t and they have ordered a 54t and will contact me when it's arrived.
Maybe a bigger chain is needed but replacing is done in 1 day.
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