Happy wife, Happy Life!

I went on to specialized site and clicked order and paid and sent to LBS.
How do you know how does an e-bike sent from the factory actually look like? The people from my LBS always say to their customers: "Allow us a day for two for assembling your e-bike". As Colin said, reversing the cranks is rather little probable in a modern production facility. It is not a manufacture in the literary sense of the word. The LBS is the manufacture. If you trust your LBS but distrust Specialized then how comes Spec is doing a good business being one of the biggest e-bike producers in the world but you are getting junk from them? Again, I trust Colin in what he said: His LBS does care, same as mine does.
This LBS has never seen this problem, or this specific bike model. You are asking an LBS to be competent at model they have never even touched before and a problem they have never seen.
Because they could not spend money to travel to Morgan Hill and learn? Specialized support diagnosing issues online is rather like a remote medical advice without seeing and touching the patient.

But you guys are the Karens of tech support customers.
Not actually sure what than means but I am a highly qualified tech support person in my profession myself. We cannot help any customers who don't send their process simulation files for our diagnosis. We need to "see the patient", "touch the e-bike".
 
We need to "see the patient", "touch the e-bike".

Specialized is free to send a tech to this LBS and correct the supposed poor behavior. The poor behavior that no one can point to and say "Had the builder done X we wouldn't be here." You know, since no one actually knows *how to fix it*. If this statement is a real statement, and it can be identified, then you can assess blame. Until then, the discussion is pointless.

If you trust your LBS but distrust Specialized then how comes Spec is doing a good business being one of the biggest e-bike producers in the world but you are getting junk from them?

Every product on the planet has lemons. QC misses stuff. Someone has a bad day. The new guy on the assembly line messes up. The fact that you think that is impossible given the evidence is.... delusional? I honestly don't even see how you can get there.

Again, it's not just me. There is a weirdly high rate of complaints (on just this forum let alone others) on 5.0 IGH models vs other Specialized products. Why would you assume Specialized is doing everything right when that is the case?

I can tell you without a doubt that the LBS is not hiding something. They are not swapping bikes. They didn't tear the thing apart and not tell me about it. I watched part of the build of my wife's como (no, I wasn't paying attention to see if they had the cranks off). I watched part of the harness replacement when I was in there. Your continual assumption that they are the problem simply has no basis in the evidence *at this time*. None.

Part of Occam's Razor is fitting the explanation to the known evidence. You people keep making stuff up in defense of specialized. "They swapped bikes". "They sold me a used one" Really? It's off the deep end. The simplest explanation continues to be "this bike was a lemon and came broken from the manufacturer".

The LBS is the manufacture.

Is this a full on, deliberate misunderstanding of how the world works? or a language barrier of some kind? According to what you just said, if specialized sent a 70nm motor on the bike that was supposed to be the 90nm motor, that would *still* be the LBS fault/problem? You do know that there is a manufacturing process that happens before the LBS ever sees the bike? And that process is not infallible?

In any case, if this is a "simple" problem of LBS education, than it should not be required to "see the patient". They should be able to diagnose and fix in short order *even if the LBS is completely messing up the maintenance* by simply walking through the maintenance tasks with the LBS. That's it. And the LBS guy realizes what he skipped and tucks his tail between his legs. Unfortunately, I have explicitly asked about that both to specialized directly and the LBS. Guess how useful the answer was.

Guys, let it go. Specialized is not infallible and has shown that across many experiences. And that doesn't even make them bad. It just makes them human. And imperfect.
 
Specialized is free to send a tech to this LBS and correct the supposed poor behavior.
DO WHAT?! They shall send a dealership termination letter.
I thought you lived in the United States of America where the business matters.
 
DO WHAT?! They shall send a dealership termination letter.
See, there is your bias. Why should a small scale LBS go get training (that we don't know even exists) for a bike model that they have sold to exactly one customer. Why shouldn't specialized be expected to support that one customer as needed? Specialized at least as economies of scale on their side. The LBS does not.

If specialized cared, they would be being more active in assisting this low volume LBS. They don't seem to.

You keep turning it around and ignoring actual evidence. Keep going, I am having a blast. :)
Besides, the lack of antagonism for like 5 posts was really unsettling. Back to normal now.
 
Why should a small scale LBS go get training (that we don't know even exists) for a bike model that they have sold to exactly one customer.
No business, no dealership.
Believe or not but Specialized terminated the dealership with many stores here for not selling the quota. Or, your LBS shall not be allowed to sell (or at least deliver) e-bikes.
 
Dynamic, there are 11 Specialized dealers in Vermont. Your state is 3/4 of the size of my province Mazovia by area. According to Specialized, there are only FOUR active Specialized stores there. How much business do these four stores make in the 5 million inhabitant province? Why do you think most of Specialized LBS stores disappeared from the map of Poland? (The answer is: Only those making good business were allowed to operate).

I do not want to say anything more related to the LBS.
 
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Dynamic, there are 11 Specialized dealers in Vermont. Your state is 3/4 of the size of my province Mazovia by area. According to Specialized, there are only FOUR active Specialized stores there. How much business do these four stores make in the 5 million inhabitant province? Why do you think most of Specialized LBS stores disappeared from the map of Poland? (The answer is: Only those making good business were allowed to operate).

I do not want to say anything more related to the LBS.

My state is 645,000 people. The entire state. If specialized wants to eliminate dealerships because they don't meet sales quota, that's fine. It's their call. But it would be another showing of ignorance on their part, and yours. You can't sell to people that don't exist. You can only hurt the people that do want to buy by doing that. Economic realities are tough. You can ignore them, or you can work with them and benefit from it. I think the problem you will face is this isn't actually one of the smaller dealerships. I wouldn't be surprised if it sits at #2 or #3 by sales volume in vermont. But I don't actually know. That is simply an observation of volume. Most of these dealerships are multi-season multi-sport dealerships. Biking is one thing they cover because it's not economically feasible to be dedicated to a specific sport here.

Whatever the reason: this experience is not what should happen. And specialized owns a part of that. Which part, we will never know.
 
Dynamic, there are 11 Specialized dealers in Vermont. Your state is 3/4 of the size of my province Mazovia by area. According to Specialized, there are only FOUR active Specialized stores there. How much business do these four stores make in the 5 million inhabitant province? Why do you think most of Specialized LBS stores disappeared from the map of Poland? (The answer is: Only those making good business were allowed to operate).

I do not want to say anything more related to the LBS.
The OP is obviously a nutcase, this is the first time I have ever had to invoke the ignore function on any forum!
 
Thank you, Mark!
After some thinking, I'll say "Pass". My mechanical shifting works OK. However exciting the electronic shifting sounds, I am frustrated with the growing number of devices that need to be charged before each ride. I could not be caught with the discharged derailleur battery on my June gravel ultramarathon, or in the mountains!
The number of rechargeable items needed for a ride (bike, range extender, radar, derailleur, heart rate monitor, Wahoo computer, ear buds, phone) is a concern of mine as well, so I always carry an extra charged battery for the SRAM derailleur, as well as a pack of replaceable batteries for the shift levers. I know I shouldn’t need extras, as they have plenty of capacity. But, if any of those 3 batteries were to fail, it would be very difficult to get anywhere. It may be silly, but so be it. 😊
 
Man, there are some snowflakes around here. Anyway, returns are initiated. Maybe try again next season?
 
I am thinking back to the way my R1U ebike was when it came in a box via (IIRC) Fedex. There was one crank on, the other one had to be assembled. The fork and handlebar had to be installed. The front wheel was off the fork. There were some other bits needing assembly also, I forget what all.

Then I also recall visiting the LBS recently and the store manager commenting about them assembling the ebikes (and regular bikes) when they come in from their manufacturers. They have to fit in a shipping box, so bikes just are not shipped fully assembled; they arrive partially assembled.

My point is: if Specialized is shipping fully assembled ebikes to your LBS, they are the exception. Therefore I have my doubts about the situation. So I don't understand how anyone can allege absolute certainty that their LBS didn't screw up on the cranks.

People lie all the time to cover their a**es.
 
I am thinking back to the way my R1U ebike was when it came in a box via (IIRC) Fedex. There was one crank on, the other one had to be assembled. The fork and handlebar had to be installed. The front wheel was off the fork. There were some other bits needing assembly also, I forget what all.

Then I also recall visiting the LBS recently and the store manager commenting about them assembling the ebikes (and regular bikes) when they come in from their manufacturers. They have to fit in a shipping box, so bikes just are not shipped fully assembled; they arrive partially assembled.

My point is: if Specialized is shipping fully assembled ebikes to your LBS, they are the exception. Therefore I have my doubts about the situation. So I don't understand how anyone can allege absolute certainty that their LBS didn't screw up on the cranks.

People lie all the time to cover their a**es.
Because the cranks come pre-installed on the bike. Not pedals, handlebars, wheels etc. Ask any dealer about it. But, the problem isn’t the cranks, its the IGH system not being recognized by mastermind.

And it’s all a moot point. Bikes are in process of being returned.
 


And it’s all a moot point. Bikes are in process of being returned.

you should roll up a tiny piece of paper with your email and a note to please email you when found and put it inside the tires. then in six to twelve months you’ll find out from whoever got the refurb bikes whether it was you, the shop, or the bikes!
 
Already out of my hands. I totally would have done that though! One of the refunds is already processing.
 
One thing you would notice is how a manual car can accelerate. Assume you are in the 5th gear and drive at the normal road speed (it would be 55 mph for you). Now, you need to quickly overtake a lorry. Just downshift to the 3rd, press the accelerator and you have the overtake done! I think an automatic ICE car should have a far more powerful engine to achieve the same (we all know how Americans love the power!) :) [Of course it does not pertain to full hybrids or electrics that do not have the gearbox].
With an electric car you don't need any gears! 😁
 
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