Finally a rival of Juiced? Surface 604 Shred
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fooferdoggie
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well it is because we are going faser on ebikes and they can beat you up on rough surfaces. even with .19" tires I needed a good suspension seatpost or my body hurt with the punishment.
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If Surface 604 wants to send me a bike, I'll do a comparison.
Asher
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With the Ride1Up 700 and the imminent Aventon Level, Juiced loses its virtual lock on value priced Class 3 commuter e-bikes. And Juiced costs several hundred dollars more.
Juiced's only advantage is their bigger, 52V batteries now. I know the CCS had lost ground internally, to the RCS, then the Scrambler and now the Scorpion, because the CCS just wasn't as popular.
I still think there's room for them to compete, but that requires making an effort and updating their parts. If they moved to 27.5" wheels, a 60-70mm tire (2.35-2.8", like the Schwalbe Moto or G-One All-Round) would have the same size roughly, so no need to screw with the frame geometry. They could still charge a slight premium thanks to the 52V, but they'll need more finesse than they have now, when even a generic frame like Ride1Up's looks great. And since no frame work would be needed, it seems like a matter of swapping parts, which is just something you'd change between production batches (new wheels, fenders, tires). Maybe light and heavy versions, with small battery/rigid fork/lighter 2.4" tires vs large battery/quality suspension/2.8" tires.
But if I had to guess, I'd bet Juiced will let its commuter e-bike options languish and cede the market as it focuses on the Scorpion and whatever else.
I enjoyed my Juiced, but as it stands today, the Ride1Up would be my first choice.
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Juiced's only advantage is their bigger, 52V batteries now. I know the CCS had lost ground internally, to the RCS, then the Scrambler and now the Scorpion, because the CCS just wasn't as popular.
I still think there's room for them to compete, but that requires making an effort and updating their parts. If they moved to 27.5" wheels, a 60-70mm tire (2.35-2.8", like the Schwalbe Moto or G-One All-Round) would have the same size roughly, so no need to screw with the frame geometry. They could still charge a slight premium thanks to the 52V, but they'll need more finesse than they have now, when even a generic frame like Ride1Up's looks great. And since no frame work would be needed, it seems like a matter of swapping parts, which is just something you'd change between production batches (new wheels, fenders, tires). Maybe light and heavy versions, with small battery/rigid fork/lighter 2.4" tires vs large battery/quality suspension/2.8" tires.
But if I had to guess, I'd bet Juiced will let its commuter e-bike options languish and cede the market as it focuses on the Scorpion and whatever else.
I enjoyed my Juiced, but as it stands today, the Ride1Up would be my first choice.
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Bruce Arnold
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Asher, I think they will keep the CCX. Won't be surprised to see the CCS go away. I wouldn't buy one today, I'd go for the CCX myself. I'm not unhappy with my CCS, I just like the added features of the CCX.
Asher
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Yeah plausible. I imagine it doesn't cost them much to keep a bike around when they've already gone to the trouble of fielding it for years.
For 2 years, maybe more, Juiced has been at a crossroads where they could staff up and mature as a company with multiple offerings and lines of development, smooth out product issues or stick to one new bike a year, and they've gone the latter route.
The Ride1Up looks nice & I can see juiced going with a similar system eventually, but no torque sensing is a deal breaker & what makes Juiced unique.
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looks like the Galiano won’t now come with the GMAC motor. Not according to their updated website anyway
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The 52volt/Grin Galliano is indeed coming soon. Taken from hill eater Facebook pagelooks like the Galiano won’t now come with the GMAC motor. Not according to their updated website anyway
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Oops.........no Gmac .......sorry!The 52volt/Grin Galliano is indeed coming soon. Taken from hill eater Facebook page
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May be difficult, those packs are really not designed to be larger than 48V 14ah. Definitely would be difficult to squeeze a large capacity 52V system in there unless much more expensive battery technology is used.
No torque sensing is a deal breaker for me too.
I have a RC and tried the cadence several times. I much prefer the torque sensing. the tour sensing.
I have a RC and have tried cadence several times. I much prefer the torque sensing. I would not buy an e-bike without torque sensing on it.
Asher
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I have a question about cadence sensors - if you try to keep your pedaling cadence constant by changing gears (as good bike technique dictates), and use a throttle to accelerate from a stop, shouldn't it be fairly similar to a torque sensor?
I've never owned a cadence sensor ebike. I think the JUMP bikes are cadence based, and I've used those a bunch and didn't mind.
Asher
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Had a juiced ccs, no longer have it. Never thought to turn off the torque sensor honestly.
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I have a CC Air with the torque sensor upgrade. It feels different than cadence sensing, no matter what cadence/gear combo you apply when using just the cadence sensor. It's close, but you'll notice the difference when you try to put more power into the pedals. I greatly prefer the torque/cadence combo to strictly cadence sensor. It depends on your use case, though. Strictly cadence makes for an easier commute. Torque is more engaging, and feels closer to my road bike. YMMV
Bruce Arnold
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Got rid of your CCS? What are you riding now?
Asher
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I moved to a different city and due to a number of factors (low distances, higher intersection density, lower speeds, worse roads, carrying up a couple stairs) I sold it in favor of a manual bike.
Riding a Redux 2. Put 2.4" G-One Speeds, Kinekt seatpost, and backsweep handlebars on it and love it. I really think a Stromer-like set up of smaller wider tires is ideal for urban bikes, whether electric or not. I've been tracking these kinds of bikes and the industry is coming around to it, especially smaller brands converting 700c hybrids to 27.5"x47mm tires. It's very liberating to just not care what your wheel runs over because your tire has quadruple the air volume, and probably safer - lower risk, and more attention to spare.
Only wish the Redux had a line that came with Deore, through axles and possibly a lighter frame/hydroformed tubing . And tire clearance, my rear tire squeaks against the frame when I turn
The Redux and a couple other bikes are distinct because they have 1x drivetrains and a long top tube, short stem like MTB, but then a rigid fork, more vertical head tube like a road bike.
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i would prefer the GMAC version on paper but i worry about support. if the EZ will be the standard, parts experience over time may be better and easier to obtain in the long run. This from a person who believes he has only gotten lemons since getting ebikes
.??? No clue. What I was thinking 2 years down the road and start having a stuttering issue with the motor or is it the torque sensor...i call for support the support person says “ you have the GMAC version, we have not heard of that on this bike, if you had the ez version we know that you need to flip switch x”
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Biktrix Ultra is in a whole different league and price point! i think OPs head would explode lol
that Shred has a 500w motor and a 48v 10ah battery for $2000, hell no, no way i buy that over a Juiced....... or even a Rover
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