Stefan Mikes
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Where's the motor?!
eMTB Options For 2024
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Prairie Dog
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Yeah, agree that it’s not e-applicable but nonetheless very stimulating to watch.Where's the motor?!
doesn't electric suspension count?
Prairie Dog
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Good point. Speaking of which I wonder if/how much live valve depletes the battery on the E + models or if it’s a negligible draw?
Stefan Mikes
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It looks it is powered by own rechargeable battery.
This review is not that positive:
Tested: Fox Live | BIKE Magazine
I’m a total sucker for high-tech products and electronic gadgets. During a recent ride, I counted the number of battery-operated devices with me, and it was 11. Eleven! I had an Apple Watch, an iPhone, a Garmin computer, Bluetooth earbuds, two SRAM AXS controllers, a wireless dropper, wireless...
www.bikemag.com
Prairie Dog
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For analogue bikes, yes, but e-mtbs offered up by manufacturers such as Giant, Scott, Simplon have E-Live compatible models where the system is powered by the internal batteries.
flowmountainbike.com
"The Live Valve system is wired directly into the bike’s main battery, though the main computer remains mounted to the underside of the top tube."
Battery wastage on an e-mtb might be moot depending on how the system is utilized. Even though Live Valve it’s been around for a while, I think that it’s too early in its e-mtb debut to discern how well it’s received until we see more tangible reviews by end users.
First Ride | The 2022 Giant Trance X Advanced E+ is Giant's first carbon e-MTB with Live Valve
Brand new for 2022, the Giant Trance X Advanced E+ features a carbon frame, the new SyncDrive Pro motor, and Fox Live Valve. That's right folks - Live Valve on an electric mountain bike! For specs, prices and all the details on this premium e-MTB, read on for our Giant Trance X Advanced E+ first...
flowmountainbike.com
"The Live Valve system is wired directly into the bike’s main battery, though the main computer remains mounted to the underside of the top tube."
Battery wastage on an e-mtb might be moot depending on how the system is utilized. Even though Live Valve it’s been around for a while, I think that it’s too early in its e-mtb debut to discern how well it’s received until we see more tangible reviews by end users.
Stefan Mikes
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Then the use of the main battery would be symbolic.
"The triumph of technology over the common sense"
Sorry, had to quote my first work manager ever!Interesting chat with my lbs today - a discussion about supply issues moved towards a much more worrying pattern of dealership takeovers. I'd be interested to know if this was a widespread phenomena, or just localized to Australia?
Apparently, two major ( us branded) manufacturers have started repossessing/ taking over bike shops. They deliver bikes on credit, get to a stage where the shop owes a significant amount on floor stock, then call on the debt / take over the shop.
The lbs was implying that they were struggling to get bikes that were being diverted to shops buying on credit who were then at risk of folding. Apparently they pay for bikes upfront ( which I believe - lots of loyal customers who order bikes and wait) .
Reflecting back on the past 4 years, they have really struggled to get stock of the emtb's I've wanted , whilst shops in neighboring towns have been discounting floor stock. This lbs sells a LOT of bikes , they were early adopters of emtb's , and offer exceptional after sales service - the owner is the mechanic, plus he used to lend out his personal emtb for test rides.
It'll be a real shame if bike shops move away from the lbs / owner operated enthusiast model and become supermarkets owned by single brands and run by disinterested employees.
Apparently, two major ( us branded) manufacturers have started repossessing/ taking over bike shops. They deliver bikes on credit, get to a stage where the shop owes a significant amount on floor stock, then call on the debt / take over the shop.
The lbs was implying that they were struggling to get bikes that were being diverted to shops buying on credit who were then at risk of folding. Apparently they pay for bikes upfront ( which I believe - lots of loyal customers who order bikes and wait) .
Reflecting back on the past 4 years, they have really struggled to get stock of the emtb's I've wanted , whilst shops in neighboring towns have been discounting floor stock. This lbs sells a LOT of bikes , they were early adopters of emtb's , and offer exceptional after sales service - the owner is the mechanic, plus he used to lend out his personal emtb for test rides.
It'll be a real shame if bike shops move away from the lbs / owner operated enthusiast model and become supermarkets owned by single brands and run by disinterested employees.
DaveMatthews
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Cough.. Specialized... cough?
RandallS
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Speaking of shops - I can't understand how my current LBS stays open. The math doesn't work for me as I can see their inventory and they've already lost their head mechanic.
My next purchase will be from a different shop who lost my sale in 2020 simply because they no product for me and I wasn't prepared to wait. However, they've been very supportive anyways and I've bought lots of accessories and stuff.
I've sent plenty of business their way and my friends have been treated well, so when I saw they had something I wanted I put a deposit down.
I will announce the new wheels this weekend as the weather looks good enough for a proper test ride.
I cannot imagine any reason why I wouldn't go with this, but I do need to check it out as I've NEVER ridden a FS before for any reasonable amount of time.
My next purchase will be from a different shop who lost my sale in 2020 simply because they no product for me and I wasn't prepared to wait. However, they've been very supportive anyways and I've bought lots of accessories and stuff.
I've sent plenty of business their way and my friends have been treated well, so when I saw they had something I wanted I put a deposit down.
I will announce the new wheels this weekend as the weather looks good enough for a proper test ride.
I cannot imagine any reason why I wouldn't go with this, but I do need to check it out as I've NEVER ridden a FS before for any reasonable amount of time.
RandallS
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The great reveal...well. no great surprise I guess.
I couldn't find a Trance in small, nor any chance of getting one here, until probably fall.
So I went with a Liv Intrigue X E+ 3 in small instead. Test ride went well - the 29" wheels are going to take some time to get used to, but the motor is the same as what I have, so no great surprises.
Compared to the Norco, that leaves me with about $4k in my pocket. I mainly ride trails - and the Full Suspension plus 29" wheels will smooth out some of the terrain.
All the extras on the Norco (or Trance Advanced) would be wasted on me.
Did I need a new bike - no, but what the heck. I will ride the Fathom through the winter, and in the spring tune it up and sell it.
Based on what the salesman at the said - it will be worth more in the spring anyways as there isn't going to be nearly enough stock to cover the demand.
Old and new
Below is a table with my current Fathom, the new purchase and for comparison - a small Trance (like @Prairie Dog).
It's pretty close, and I will transfer my stem and bars over from the Fathom and replace the stock 100mm dropper with a One-Up 120mm.
| Bike Geometry | Fathom Small | Intrigue Small | Trance Small |
| N/A | LOW | HIGH | LOW | HIGH | |
| SEAT TUBE LENGTH (mm) | 405 | 405 | 400 |
| SEAT TUBE ANGLE | 73 | 76.0° | 76.7° | 76.0° | 76.7° |
| TOP TUBE LENGTH (mm) | 575 | 568 | 568 | 575 | 575 |
| HEAD TUBE LENGTH (mm) | 105 | 95 | 95 |
| HEAD TUBE ANGLE | 68 | 65.8° | 66.5° | 65.8° | 66.5° |
| FORK RAKE (mm) | 46 | 44 | 44 |
| TRAIL (mm) | 101.1 | 123.4 | 118.1 | 123.4 | 118.1 |
| WHEELBASE (mm) | 1140 | 1195 | 1198 | 1202 | 1205 |
| CHAIN STAY LENGTH (mm) | 475 | 472 | 472 | 472 | 472 |
| BOTTOM BRACKET DROP (mm) | 45 | 30 | 20 | 30 | 20 |
| STACK (mm) | 617 | 608 | 602 | 608 | 602 |
| REACH (mm) | 386 | 416 | 426 | 423 | 4433 |
| STAND OVER HEIGHT (mm) | 753 | 751 | 760 | 744 | 753 |
| HANDLEBAR WIDTH (mm) | 780 | 750 | 780 |
| STEM LENGTH (mm) | 50 | 40 | 40 |
| CRANK LENGTH (mm) | 165 | 165 | 160 |
| WHEEL SIZE | 27.5+ | 29" | 29" |
| Current | New | Prairie Dog's Trance |
Stefan Mikes
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Congratulations Randall! What a gorgeous ride!
DaveMatthews
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Lookin' great Randall! Nicely spec'd as well. Should be a lovely ride.
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Be interesting to see where you like the flip chip Randall.
RandallS
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Excellent point - I didn't even think of that on the test ride.
I suspect it was on the "slack" setting - but what the heck do I know.
What I do know is full suspension is pretty slick - never done that before. But couldn't put it through all the paces - too wintery and not on Spikers yet.
Maybe I'll go and steal my brothers set - he hasn't mounted them on his Talon yet.
DaveMatthews
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Yeah I won't be going back to hardtail any time soon.Excellent point - I didn't even think of that on the test ride.
I suspect it was on the "slack" setting - but what the heck do I know.
What I do know is full suspension is pretty slick - never done that before. But couldn't put it through all the paces - too wintery and not on Spikers yet.
Maybe I'll go and steal my brothers set - he hasn't mounted them on his Talon yet.
Good luck with the stealth spikey theft mate!
Randall, congrats on the liv.
Usually the geometry of a liv s is comparable to a giant xs , it 1 size down - although there are subtle differences in spec ( and the seat! ) .
My daughters used to joke how sexist it was that liv bikes were smaller - but the oldest hit 6 foot in primary school so she might have an unusual perspective.
Usually the geometry of a liv s is comparable to a giant xs , it 1 size down - although there are subtle differences in spec ( and the seat! ) .
My daughters used to joke how sexist it was that liv bikes were smaller - but the oldest hit 6 foot in primary school so she might have an unusual perspective.
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With a bit of preparation and the right choice of clothing and tires, winter can be a great way to get out and ride. We received snow that same evening so riding this section will likely involve modifying one's approach down the slope.
The day after along a different trail.
The day after along a different trail.
Browneye
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Their website shows zero stock in any sizes - that means there aren't any in the system, at dealers or otherwise. Did someone indicate there would be any to order? Maybe next year?
Think about Orbea Rise - some arriving early 2022. Or maybe even what might be coming in at YT Industries. You could be waiting a long time.
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