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Either you didn't watch the video or have zero sense of humor.
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Readytoride
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Really depends upon the range of the EV, plus the charging speed.
What's nice about the EV is you can leave it charging while you go eat (if the restaurant is within walking distance) or take a bathroom break. An EV doesn't require you remain with it while being charged. Plus you don't reek of gasoline stench afterwards.
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Speaking for myself, I do like listening to what others have to say about their worries concerning the transportation transition from gas to electric. It gives me a wider perspective beyond my limited experience, and a greater appreciation for all the hurtles that are still in place that make the switch to EVs scary for people who just don't quite understand what to expect. Their life with an ICE is comfortable, well suited for them, and while the rising fuel prices are a problem, they see that as an annoyance rather than a deterrent. Global warming and moving away from using toxic fuel seems to be lower on their priority list then the cost to buy a new vehicle that is an EV with a completely new support infrastructure.
So I kinda do have fun discussing the advantages of EV life with ICE owners, and hopefully help ease some of the concerns over the unknown. It isn't until you jump in with both feet that you get the full picture of how to deal with your new EV, and how to live with the "new normal". Most people prefer to dip their toes in the waters first to see if the temp is to their liking. So unless you spend the money to rent an EV to "try out" that lifestyle, and go to the expense and trouble of installing an EVSE in your garage or scout out the local charging stations if you are an apartment or condo dweller, you will have to go whole hog with a big ticket purchase before you can honestly know first hand how an EV will suit your lifestyle. Most, if not all, people want to make a correct decision the first time.
One thing I have noticed is that ICE owners are aware that they will have to eventually go EV, so most of their questions are along the lines of what they feel they "won't be able to do" with an EV that they can do now with an ICE. It's very educational on both sides of the conversation, and I am always coming away with better understanding of how and why people drive what they do, and how attached they are to their "normal".
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Didn't watch the video. Sorry. I just did, and it was funny.
Classic SNL humor. But scary at how close the skit came to what MB would conceivably put on the road.
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Why do you think it is "scary" for people that don't care for the EV "travelstyle" (not lifestyle).
There is no question that these days a majority of population could get by with an EV since a high percentage of daily travel is within "charge it overnight at home" range. I don't recall the exact numbers, but when we bought our current 2020 Ascent, it was pre-similar sized EV availability and the premium for a similar sized hybrid was not justifiable (considering fuel costs).
For 90% of the miles we do, when an E van (170 4X4 Sprinter-like) is available that can be "refueled" every 350 miles in 15 minutes or every 700 miles overnight (anywhere) with a lifetime battery warrenty and less than a 15% price priemium, I'm in. Not scary at all. But at 67 years old, doubt I will see it.
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Travelstyle was a computer assisted typo. Didn't catch it. Sometimes I think my autocorrect just like to screw around for amusement's sake.
I used the word scary because that's the word repeated to me (in a few conversations) from people who were interested in EVs, but lacking an understanding of them. That's all. Their verbiage, not mine.
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Hang in there 10 more years, and you'll see it. Heck, you might be seeing it in half that time. 67 is still fairly young these days! Younger than I am!
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Per this article, 83% of people in the US live in urban areas. For many of them, maybe EVs are the vehicle of choice given the short distances to work, play, and shopping. However, for those of us who live in what the elites call "fly-over" country, EVs are impractical given the current state of range and the re-chargeability of them. I hope the elites pause to remember that most of the food and raw materials for the US is produced in fly-over country. Those of us who work and live here often need to travel long distances to do the above.
Maybe someday EVs will become practical, but not now.
Maybe someday EVs will become practical, but not now.
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It is not ideological (nor BS) that California passed a ban on the sale of new gasoline powered vehicles then weeks later they tell people not to charge their EVs due to a shortage of electricity.
It is not ideological (nor BS) that the average electric car has a range less than 300 miles and a level 2 charging time of about 8 hours. This makes them impractical for the long drives that many in rural parts of the country need to routinely make.
It is not ideological (nor BS) that there are not enough charging stations in rural areas to support the wide-spread use of EVs in large portions of the country.
I truly believe that EVs are here to stay (unlike CNG vehicles from about 15 years ago), and they offer many advantages to the consumer. I am a believer in Moore's law and feel that the technological shortcomings will eventually be overcome.
For now, I'll stick with my previous comment: Maybe someday EVs will become practical, but they are not now for large portions of the country. If EVs work for you - Great! But they don't work for me at this time.
It is not ideological (nor BS) that the average electric car has a range less than 300 miles and a level 2 charging time of about 8 hours. This makes them impractical for the long drives that many in rural parts of the country need to routinely make.
It is not ideological (nor BS) that there are not enough charging stations in rural areas to support the wide-spread use of EVs in large portions of the country.
I truly believe that EVs are here to stay (unlike CNG vehicles from about 15 years ago), and they offer many advantages to the consumer. I am a believer in Moore's law and feel that the technological shortcomings will eventually be overcome.
For now, I'll stick with my previous comment: Maybe someday EVs will become practical, but they are not now for large portions of the country. If EVs work for you - Great! But they don't work for me at this time.
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And your infantile F Trump face mask and consistently "limp expressions" in many of your posts expose you as an ideologue.
I'll be on board when long promised aluminum ion batteries are being used in EVs and plug in hybrids, if they live up to claims (rather than proposals for new lithium ion battery factories). At some point I'd probably consider a plug in hybrid but my current ICE SUV and (diesel) truck are super reliable with combined mileage of over 360,000 miles and do everything I ask of them including a 500+ mile single tank range for the truck. Last time I filled up the truck it took <5 minutes to fill while I cleaned the windows. I had driven over 450 miles and still had 1/4 tank of fuel left in the tank. I'm not interested in having to "chill" at a charge station waiting for an EV to charge as in a previous post.
When the geopolitical climate calms down fuel prices will drop as they always have in the past despite dire claims to the contrary. The ban on sales of new ICE vehicles are based on ideological wishful thinking, largely hoping for technology that isn't currently available.
People living in high density population centers need to abandon their addiction to cars and embrace mass transit - that isn't likely to happen because they want the same old cars and trucks but in a guilt free package.
Que the new/proposed Delorean EV. Something that even the elite can love. All of the bling and none of the guilt (at least in their minds). Something that DeCaprio can drive to the airport to board his private jet taking him to accept his next environmental advocacy award.
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No…I’m not an ideologue…just an old service-connected vet farmer, well educated despite my dirty hands, living amongst creationists, seditionists, Hardcore Trumpists…well YOU get the picture. Unfortunately the country I love is being destroyed by weaponized ignorance wielded by a traitorous grifter. This quote made half a century ago is more true than ever.
Isaac Asimov: "there is a cult of ignorance in the US, and there always has been.....nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."
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Your words betray you.
You be you.
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I have over 200k miles on my 2008 SUV. My wife drives a 2000 SUV, similar miles. They both run great. It's far cheaper to buy gasoline (and maintenance) compared to the price of a new EV. It's fun to own new toys and I'd certainly not refuse an EV if someone offered it to me, but I don't see myself buying one in my lifetime.
Besides, I hope to tow a travel trailer in retirement and my favorite place to camp is out in the sticks, far from people (and charging stations). EV wouldn't be practical for me anyway.
Besides, I hope to tow a travel trailer in retirement and my favorite place to camp is out in the sticks, far from people (and charging stations). EV wouldn't be practical for me anyway.
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That's about the sum of it for the majority of people I talk to here in Australia. Cheaper cars, better range and faster and more plentiful charging will address a lot of the anxiety around EV's. V2G is also a non-negotiable for our household to consider an EV if and when the time comes to replace our car. There's always going to be holdouts, as there are with those that insist on owning, say, manual transmissions, big capacity muscle cars, etc. And, as maligned as they are in some political circles, it's also policy decisions like in California, much of the EU and locally in several Australian states that move the needle forward in terms of cost and infrastructure. I'm optimistic about the shift.
Dude electric vehicles require Gas /oil/coal to be made . How we going to fly anywhere . Or talk online ? Electric as a total way of life won't happen because we don't have the infrastructure to support it . The govt's worldwide are putting the cart before the horse.
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The elephant in the room is the fact that petrochemical industry rides on the back of the petrofuel industry. Only 15% percent of a barrel of crude oil is used for petrochemicals, which in turn are used to make anything from plastic to make-up to medicine. As the need for petrofuel declines, more and more of the burden for production, distribution, and refinement of crude oil will fall on the petrochemical industry. Basic economics will dictate that the costs of petrochemicals will increase.
https://petroleumservicecompany.com/blog/oil-barrel-42-gallon-breakdown/
As my dad would say, "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch."
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Dude! it takes heat to create electricity it doesn't have to come from fossil fuels-the future is increasingly EV! One day perhaps the ZP energy will be a thing if allowed as was with Tesla as was with the gift after the "Trinity Nuclear test" we were shown the way out, (but it is too hard to meter.) Tesla(Nikola was on the cusp of all this He was even in limited communication with these "beings" the "Airship ' fiasco fell on its ear as well.
Mankind reminds me of the three chances that were given to a Man to be rescued from the Floodwaters( Man of great faith) Our salvation may come from a direction we didn't expect.
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