With 125% tariffs, will the e-bike market die?
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Stefan Mikes
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Perhaps it is now geofenced so people from other world regions cannot see price increasesWorks in Canada. Hmmmm... maybe because we're the 51st State?
Bwahahahahahahaha!!! Good luck with that...
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DaveMatthews
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Yes, although there are some apologetic utterances...Perhaps it is now geofenced so people from other world regions cannot see price increases
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Stefan Mikes
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Thank you. So it only does not work the other way.
Mr. Coffee
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Interesting you might say that, because I can't see how you can diversify when both stocks and bonds are going down at the same time. For that matter, most foreign markets are tanking too. Further, when both stocks and bonds are losing value things are really bad. You can argue about that but arguing with markets makes about as much sense as arguing with a hurricane.
The only way I can see that you can "diversify" your way out of this hellhole is if you had inside information that let you profit from the mayhem by ripping off everyone who wasn't in the know.
From the outside, the only way this makes sense is if it is a massive insider trading grift.
chunk
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Ain't that the truth. What rattles around in that guy's head I wonder? He has the attention span of a 3 year old.
PS, I've read this whole thread and want to commend all who posted, although different political views, most refrained for personal attacks and were respectful. See we can have a civil conversation, agree to disagree. Keep it up. Now I'm going for a ride on my old bike and not planning to buy a new one at this time. Cheers.
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The NASDAQ is already in a bear market and the SP500 is teetering on the brink. Yes, quite difficult to "diversify" in a bear market such as this and expect to break even, much less see any gains. A bear market is one that sees 20% losses. We are there. In fact I'd argue I'm well diversified if my account mirrors the broader markets. The SP500 has been hovering around 20% losses for a while. Today's 700 point drop (so far) put it back into solid bear territory
dblhelix
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Tern to up some models by $2k. Bike shop owner in MN in 'panic mode.'
www.minnpost.com
Minneapolis bike shop owner in 'panic mode' over tariffs uncertainty
Perennial Cycle sells bicycles from across the world – including some with bike components made in Taiwan, Vietnam and China.
www.minnpost.com
DaveMatthews
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And there ya go... bingo...
Chargeride
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The actual facts of China tariffs are surprising, but obvious if you think about it.
The media are concentrating on smartphones for obvious reasons, but in reality China only assembles them.
All the intellectual property is held in the west and Taiwan, the cameras are Japanese, screens Vietnamese etc.
The tariffs are wholesale and the incredible level of complexity as who gets paid at what point of the process, ARM is in the UK, but owned by Japan.
All the roads lead to China invading Taiwan, it cannot be allowed to happen.
Ipoons arrive in America for 200 dollars, the tariff is on that price.
Trump has fired the first inevitable and unavoidable first shot across the bows.
The status quo can not continue.
The media are concentrating on smartphones for obvious reasons, but in reality China only assembles them.
All the intellectual property is held in the west and Taiwan, the cameras are Japanese, screens Vietnamese etc.
The tariffs are wholesale and the incredible level of complexity as who gets paid at what point of the process, ARM is in the UK, but owned by Japan.
All the roads lead to China invading Taiwan, it cannot be allowed to happen.
Ipoons arrive in America for 200 dollars, the tariff is on that price.
Trump has fired the first inevitable and unavoidable first shot across the bows.
The status quo can not continue.
Was cash heavy (currently 4.99% return), was busy taking profits. Been buying during current emotional trade dips.
I think Buffett said sell when others are buying and buy when others are selling.
indianajo
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I'm 40% in real estate, in the fastest growing county in Indiana. You should see the traffic jam at 16:00 out by the new data center. 9 miles from my 24 acre summer property with a trashy 1976 trailer on a beautiful view next to a lake.
I checked my brokerage account as of 3/31. I was down about 4%. Buy stocks that pay dividends. The only massive importer I own is CVS health. The only stock I am tempted to sell is a bank, which has no import vulnerability.
I spent $1500 in 2024 to stop Trump. Elon Musk spent $2,300,000,000 to get him elected. Guess whose tax cut is going through? Guess whose tax cut on Social Security ($22000 taxable this year) was forgotten November 8, 2024.
I tried to buy 3 Mac motor clutches from Hong Kong in February. Aliexpress would not let me because I cannot acquire and transmit bank codes fast enough for them. I don't buy enough ****ese trash to keep up with the Joneses. Screw them. I'm going to disassemble and possibly repair the old clutches. Now packages cannot be mailed from Hong Kong where the retailer was.
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harryS
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My brokerage accounts are down big time. It's OK. On the average, they will double in 8-10 years. It's a better bet than seeing me still riding an ebike in 8-10 years.
Back to tariffs. As Indianjo mentioned, with the $800 exemption removed from individual purchases, China no longer will ship stuff cheap via Hong Kong Post to the USA. True, this has been a burden on the USPS. Per agreement, the post office brings the package to my house after they get it from Hong Kong. I don't buy ebikes, but I get a lot of fun and useful gadgets from aliexpress.
Back to tariffs. As Indianjo mentioned, with the $800 exemption removed from individual purchases, China no longer will ship stuff cheap via Hong Kong Post to the USA. True, this has been a burden on the USPS. Per agreement, the post office brings the package to my house after they get it from Hong Kong. I don't buy ebikes, but I get a lot of fun and useful gadgets from aliexpress.
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One must try to count their blessings, and I have one. That would be getting into fixing and building ebikes.
That started the summer of 2022 when I purchased a Huffy Oslo on ebay. As an ebike it was seriously lacking and my search for a cure led me here to this very forum. And it was the posts of none other than harryS that led me to the cure -- a new controller!
After that I put a bbs02 into a Trek 7.2, then a Grin wheel in a FS MTB, then it was off to the races. I found a source of quality used bikes for cheap, and now have 9 builds under my belt.
I guess that hobby is dead now.
The point being is that the inexpensive motors, controllers, batteries, bms's, and generally everything else comes from China. So, I'll just be grateful of the experiences I have gained in doing this ebike thing.
That started the summer of 2022 when I purchased a Huffy Oslo on ebay. As an ebike it was seriously lacking and my search for a cure led me here to this very forum. And it was the posts of none other than harryS that led me to the cure -- a new controller!
After that I put a bbs02 into a Trek 7.2, then a Grin wheel in a FS MTB, then it was off to the races. I found a source of quality used bikes for cheap, and now have 9 builds under my belt.
I guess that hobby is dead now.
The point being is that the inexpensive motors, controllers, batteries, bms's, and generally everything else comes from China. So, I'll just be grateful of the experiences I have gained in doing this ebike thing.
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Mr. Coffee
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What's gonna happen to cash:
Catching falling knives is not good for your health.. Do me a favor? post a link to where I can get 4.99% return on cash today, TIA seriously!
indianajo
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Money I invested 5 or 10 years ago is earning up to 12% dividends on my original investment. It is a good time to buy. People are panicked, which is great for those with cash to invest. Start a schwab account, use their recommended stocks to pick some stock. Mutual funds have the risk of investing in go-go stocks like Amazon & tech, which made up 20% of the market and hence 20% of most funds. Zoom up, zoom down. I don't own any of those non-payers. Great growth in good times, great losses in bad times. No S&P500 fund for me. My dividend mutual fund was worth 2.5x what I paid for it 3/31. I also bought a utility fund when they were way out of fashion, now paying 6% on what I paid. If you hold dividend stocks more than a year, you do not pay federal tax on them, about 8%. I do pay 5.05% state tax on dividends. I do have some mid cap & small cap funds, which do not participate in huge fashionable companites.
I picked my stocks with some help with the schwab lists. The individual stock listings have ratings from other agencies. These help make decisions. I picked stocks in industries that typically pay dividends. Surprise, they did not crash recently. I also used some personal observations. I bought into a small steel company with US factories, a house siding manufacturer, an airplane parts builder, a consumer products vendor with US & Canada factories. I have a regional bank holder that was paying 5.5% dividend 3/31. It is worth less than I paid for it, but the raters will predict whether they are likely to cut their dividend soon or not. The banks are not in a market subject to earthquakes, volcanoes, or huge forest fires. The bank's region is growing, car companies are building factories down there. Scrape together $1000, start an account and do some research. I bought Ford when it was paying 10% dividend, rode it through the covid crash of no profits or dividends, then sold it when it went slightly over what I paid. F is now worth 80% of what it was when I sold. No dividends last time I looked.
Happy hunting.
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Well, I own utility stocks and many high dividend paying stocks, ETFs etc. but I was looking for a place to park some cash short term at 4.99%. Best I can find around here is in the low 4's. I sold my QQQ's at 530 a share. Today it's at 444. I saw the writing on the wall. Again, not going to try and catch falling knives. Should have sold many more equities but didn't and those have been hurt badly
Problem with buy lower, sell higher? Dollar cost averaging is your friend. Just because the market reacted emotionally to tariff antics, do you think a solid company is really a poor investment compared to pre-tariff talk?
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