Why do I always know better?

PedalUma said:
A less expensive eBikes can be a gateway drug. Many people do not have the vocabulary to describe a decent eBike when they start. It is also like someone who is 17 tasting wine. They will pick the bland sweet one that costs $5 over the dry complex one that costs $125. Tastes eventually evolve. Then people can't ride off-the-rack bikes like Stefan's and want something sophisticated and bespoke that no one else has.
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Ayup, I'm high on eMTB "crack," and it all started with an original, $500 (+$200 S/H) Indiegogo Sondors in 2015 - that was my gateway "weed" 🥴 I kept progressing 'til I "arrived" with my opioidish 2018 Commencal MetaPower Race Fox, which was way above my skill level but I'm adapting to it.

Studs on singletrack that had transformed into a luge had me high as a kite today... 🤩
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PedalUma said:
A less expensive eBikes can be a gateway drug. Many people do not have the vocabulary to describe a decent eBike when they start. It is also like someone who is 17 tasting wine. They will pick the bland sweet one that costs $5 over the dry complex one that costs $125. Tastes eventually evolve. Then people can't ride off-the-rack bikes like Stefan's and want something sophisticated and bespoke that no one else has.
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That.... or you're a pompous d_bag from day one.
 
tomjasz said:
Oh, f*ck off with that. Read it again. A properly built battery pack adhering to accepted standards are just as safe as your overpriced pack. You buy spendy eBikes, lots of builders have just as reliable rides and the right to repair. Now...go to your room...
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Stefan likes pricey bikes, okay, but if yur a novice & screw up you´ll be out a lotta dough. My 2nd bike
cost less than half what the 1st, (now parts bike) did, & frankly it is a much better bike that the 1st.
You don´t have to pay $5k to get a good bike, If you do & break something,(model specific parts),
they will cost more & you´ll wait longer for them. My bike was $1200 largely cuz it uses readily
available, generic parts that are inexpensive. It doesn´t have a lot of bells & whistles but itś a solid
durable bike that serves my needs. 4600 mi., tires, brake pads, & a chain. the rest still works fine.
 
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To make the things clear:
The young man in another thread asked whether Nakto was a good brand. I wouldn't trust an online seller that badly Photoshopped images of Nakto. Many of you ride inexpensive brands and are happy but at least there is a huge user base for Sondors, Biktrix, Lectric, etc. so the users can share their experiences and help one another. Now, that young man spots the first e-bike he encountered (Nakto), can see the price of $999, and, having eight hundred in his budget asks whether Nakto is a a good brand. He got his answers from the users. That is not the point.

At some point of the discussion, one of EBR Forum members compared inexpensive fat tyre e-bikes to SUV. And that was when I had enough. Because one can describe a Riese & Muller as a SUV e-bike but a sub $1,000 e-bike deserves a name of polski fiat 126p. (There were times when whole Poland drove pf126p's because there was no other choice).

No more no less.
 
Connoisseur. I was learning the spelling for that word for a long time :)
(Not any harder than the Mississippi for a foreigner).
 
Stefan Mikes said:
Unless the battery catches the fire.
Because the guy has bought a sub US$1000 "e-bike".
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I have 3 sub $1k ebikes and no fires.. Matter of fact I have an extra battery for each bike (I think I have 5 bikes right now with 3 more on the way).. No fires but I have insurance just in case..
 
john peck said:
Stefan likes pricey bikes, okay, but if yur a novice & screw up you´ll be out a lotta dough. My 2nd bike
cost less than half what the 1st, (now parts bike) did, & frankly it is a much better bike that the 1st.
You don´t have to pay $5k to get a good bike, If you do & break something,(model specific parts),
they will cost more & you´ll wait longer for them. My bike was $1200 largely cuz it uses readily
available, generic parts that are inexpensive. It doesn´t have a lot of bells & whistles but itś a solid
durable bike that serves my needs. 4600 mi., tires, brake pads, & a chain. the rest still works fine.
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You know its funny.I cannot even give that new "Milano" away at $400, I guess it will stay in the shed till I donate it for a benefit or something, I refuse to ruin it on these crappy roads and conditions.
 
Stefan Mikes said:
To make the things clear:
The young man in another thread asked whether Nakto was a good brand. I wouldn't trust an online seller that badly Photoshopped images of Nakto. Many of you ride inexpensive brands and are happy but at least there is a huge user base for Sondors, Biktrix, Lectric, etc. so the users can share their experiences and help one another. Now, that young man spots the first e-bike he encountered (Nakto), can see the price of $999, and, having eight hundred in his budget asks whether Nakto is a a good brand. He got his answers from the users. That is not the point.

At some point of the discussion, one of EBR Forum members compared inexpensive fat tyre e-bikes to SUV. And that was when I had enough. Because one can describe a Riese & Muller as a SUV e-bike but a sub $1,000 e-bike deserves a name of polski fiat 126p. (There were times when whole Poland drove pf126p's because there was no other choice).

No more no less.
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The thing is( in most cases) the first Ebike experience, creates, well a love affair that gets more expensive over time (usually- though it may strain marriages its cheaper and more sanitary than "roach motel" rendezvous.
 
kmccune said:
OMG- can't you just say "Crugginham"?( that's what I used to say instead of Micheal Crichton) Most People think my surname begins with a "Q".
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The long person name combined with the birth place is an invented one. The hero made it all up to conceal his identity against Gestapo :D
 
Hey folks, been awhile. Same debate is raging. My wife and I are still riding our Ecotrek sub-$1000 20" fattie and 26" fattie. I have replaced one controller (sent free by Sandy @ ecotric) and am now ready to get a spare battery for my wife's "folder'. I can spend $250. for a battery or ad $650 to that and get another exact copy that includes new controller, brake levers, 500w hub motor.....see where I am going?

This is why I love the realistic ( after 1000 mi we know our needs) usage / cost aspect. Just sayin.

eBikes are not our primary focus but do add a great component to our travels and with Covid a great "theme" for planning new trips.

There is no doubt this new year will give us an opportunity to do a couple 50-60mile r/t overnighters with our "cheap" eBikes. I even bought a cheap amazon bike trailer ( as compared to the Burley CoHo) to drag the very short list of items needed for our trips.

So the real mission of spreading the gospel of eBikes is to not discourage participation by "opinions" but allow real word experience with even the "sub" brands, to help inform potential buyers.

I recently went to Larry's in Winter Garden since we love that West Orange trail for lunch stops in town and on the door.*Due to staffing please make an appointment.*

A good friend went to purchase an eBike and stopped at a local NC (Asheville) dealer and was lectured on the fact the web site states appointment only. So I say, online is simply another way to buy since dealerships don't ensure great service even prior to purchase. ( I mean what does that say about after purchase)

So..... Whatever you choose to start eBiking, do your research. Know your realistic usage. And purchase at a price point that meets your needs not what may indicate a status. :)
 
kmccune said:
You know its funny.I cannot even give that new "Milano" away at $400, I guess it will stay in the shed till I donate it for a benefit or something, I refuse to ruin it on these crappy roads and conditions.
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Thatś too bad, I´m guessing there´s really nothing wrong with it other that it was cheap. I´d take it,
but I don´t need it & the wife has on pain of death limited me to 4 bikes. I don think that´s fair. The
last time I took off for a short expedition she gave away 2 storage bins of ´vintage parts´ &
threatens more. I´ve already had to give away 4 bikes in the last 10 years. Donate it to a church
or school as a lottery drawing prize or keep it as a spare.
 
It is true that some people will only use their bikes six times per year to explore a flat KOA. They are not in the market for a lifestyle change, just a toy sporting good. And the features of an expensive bike would not be appreciated. You have to admit that there is a market for 20" fat folders! One guy thought that his is a Mountain Bike. The photo is of a KOA in my town.
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