Wheel axle does not fit fork end

These are thick but only for rear wheel hub motors, and therefore not what I need, if I understand correctly: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Torque-A...ess-Steel-14x10mm-electric-bike-/153543030983

I believe I ordered a set like this from the UK some time ago. They can be used on the front fork. You might sleep better with a steel fork.

I've put a 250W motor up front on alloy forks. I'd rather not do it, but thought I would try it. One torque arm and one torque plate, which is the same thing except it's home made. I marked the nuts with a Sharpie pen. They haven't moved for 18 months.
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You might sleep better with a steel fork.
This!

I'd take responsibility for myself and use better torque arms of similar design with a 500W Motor on the fork.

HOWEVER, this surely wouldn't be a bike I'd be comfortable with curb jumping or dodging potholes with. Flat streets no banging and jarring? I'd ride it.

But I'd tell anyone else to get a steel fork. That's the best advice.
 
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You can just use your aluminum forks but add a torque arm. It works with my bike and I totally trust it. Shipping from GRIN technologies shouldn't be that expensive. The arm itself was designed by a couple of very capable mechanical engineers and are about 1/4" thick and would handle the twisting force of your front hub motor. This would prevent the motor from twisting it's shaft on your aluminum fork. Get the front torque arms. (ebikes.com). Send a picture of the forks to them a side view and top view and they will recommend the appropriate arm.
 
You can just use your aluminum forks but add a torque arm. It works with my bike and I totally trust it. Shipping from GRIN technologies shouldn't be that expensive. The arm itself was designed by a couple of very capable mechanical engineers and are about 1/4" thick and would handle the twisting force of your front hub motor. This would prevent the motor from twisting it's shaft on your aluminum fork. Get the front torque arms. (ebikes.com). Send a picture of the forks to them a side view and top view and they will recommend the appropriate arm.
The front torque arms V2 are not the right choice and there’s no fender mount for a front TA. V3 front or V4 are appropriate and a better solution even with the fender mount access. V3 for most front mounts. I have to live with my recommendations. I suggest what I think the most cautious solution is. 2 arms.
 
I've just fitted a cheap chinese conversion kit to my aluminium forked bike which is 1000w and on the test run it opened up and was half out of the forks but luckily I had one of those torque arms on.It did scrape the jubilee clip down the frame and i've now ordered another torque arm for the other side but can't help thinking the force must be concentrated on the jubilee clip.Not sure what else to do.
 
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I'd never knowingly sell a kit and components if I knew the customer was going to mount 1000W front motor in an aluminum fork. Steel fork and 2 torque arms IMO. (have 3500 miles on mine.)
 
That's my ignorance because I just went for it and ordered it from Amazon.So now I have to live with it and try to get the best advice to make it safe.I will put another torque arm on and also a adapter to line up with the rotor which hopefully will also give extra strength.The worst case scenario would be a replacement steel fork I suppose but we're into the bottomless pit of finance then.
 
Most bikes have the same diameter head tube (steering). Buy a throwaway bike and salvage the steel front fork. Or pick one up early on garbage day, people throw cheap steel kid's bikes away all the time. Or chase down the metal salvage truck and pay him $10 for a used bike. Make sure the wheel size is the same. You'll need a tongue&groove plier to unscrew the nut, and some vasoline or axle grease to lube the bearings going back in. Keep them clean, balls dropped in the dirt need to be wiped off well.
I lucked out, my $1500 aluminum bike had a steel fork. Wrong size head tube, good thing. 5000 miles with a front geared hub motor; 1300 w 4500 miles and 500 w 500 miles, no problem. I do hit potholes and especially gas valve holes sometimes, bang!
 
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We have little information here. We don't know what the bike is or what the fork actually is. NOR do we know what size motor and it's expected torque. Custom torque arms are expensive adding another $50-$200 unless he can fashion his own. endless_sphere is a builder forum with lots of ideas and workarounds, but it'll take some research. If it's an inexpensive bike, I'd find a used bike that's acceptable with a steel fork. And yes it's common Mohave to file dropouts a bit to fit.


TORQUE ARMS
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Torque arms are used to prevent axle rotation in hub motors. When a hub motor is powered up running, for all the torque that the motor generates spinning a wheel forwards, there is an equal and opposite torque on the axle causing it to rotate backwards.

In most electric bicycle hub motors, the axle is machined with flats on either side which key into the dropout slot and provide some measure of support against rotation. In many cases this is sufficient.

However, in high power systems that generate a lot of torque, or in setups with weak dropouts, the forces present can exceed the material strength and pry the dropout open. When that happens, the axle will spin freely, wrapping and severing off the motor cables and potentially causing the wheel to fall right out of the bike.

To give a sense of the magnitude of these forces, a hub motor with a 12mm axle generating 40 N-m of torque will exert a spreading force of just under 1000lb on each dropout. A torque arm is a separate piece of metal attached to the axle which can take this axle torque and transfer it further up the frame, thus relieving the dropout itself from taking all of the stresses.

Grin Tech Torque Arm Designs
There are countless unique styles and geometries of bicycle fork and dropout area, so one of the challenges for us has been to design a device that will accommodate at least the large majority of them without much customization. Our solution to this has been a unique 2-piece approach, which gives the necessary flexibility to fit the wide range of dropout angles and tube locations without compromising the anti-rotation ability.

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We developed our first such 'universal' torque arm design in late 2009. In this model, the arm part was attached to the fork with a single hose clamp, and the the axle plate could pivot to fit different dropout slot angles. When the motor is powered, it tends to rotate the plate clockwise, and with the pivot point on the back this causes it to further 'push' the axle up deeper in the dropout. Notice that if the torque arm is mounted backwards, on the front side of the fork, then it would have the opposite effect and axle torque would tend to pop the wheel out of the dropout. While this design did work, we did run into several instances of failure from the hose clamp in cases where a motor controller had shorted mosfets. The curved hose clamp slot in this design put stress concentration points on the clamp which facilitated the hose clamp tearing in half. As a result we discontinued manufacturing this model in 2010 and do not recommend its usage.
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The Rev2 design was engineered to make use of the existing fender eyelet holes that are on most front forks. This can lead to a smaller arm and a tidier installation than using hose clamps around the fork, and we recommend its use whenever there is a suitable eyelet present.
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For forks that don't have fender eyelets, or where the fender eyelet holes don't line up, we created up updated variant of the original hose-clamp model with the Rev3 layout. Here, there are small slits for 2 or even 3 hose-clamps to provide extra spinout strength, and the long curved slot in the axle plate allows for for the clamping arm to attach parallel with the fork tube and always intersect correctly.
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Rear bicycle dropouts are usually thicker and stronger than the front fork dropouts but in cases with shallow vertical dropouts, or with powerful (>1000 watts) motor setups, a torque arm can be important. Our Rev4 design uses multiple hose clamp slots to secure to the the arm to a seatstay tube. The axle plate can flip directions to accommodate both horizontal and vertical dropouts, while the hose-clamp arm clears up and over most eyelet holes present on the rear.


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General Torque Arm Info
Manufacturing:
All of our torque arms are currently laser cut in the USA and assembled and finished in Canada. We use thick ¼" stainless steel plate for the anti-rotation slot and use industrial stainless steel hardware for all the fasteners as well.

Purchasing:
The front Rev2, Rev3, and rear Rev4 torque arms are all available directly from our Torque Arms store page, from various dealers around the world, and also via Amazon.com. If you are in the US and only interested in a torque arm purchase, then amazon will be your best bet to obtain it quickly and with cheap or free shipping.

Installation:
The images above show the correct installation alignment for the various torque arm models we've designed. There are a few important points:

Tighten the 1/4" bolt between the axle plate and the arm as snug as possible. If this nut is loose, then axle can rotate some amount and the bolt will slide in the slot. Though it will eventually bottom out and prevent further rotation, by the time this happens your dropout may already be damaged.
The tolerances on motor axles can vary from the nominal 10mm. The plate may slide on freely with a bit of play, it may go on perfectly snug, or in some cases a small amount of filing may be necessary for the plate to slide on. In situations where the axle flats are a bit narrower than 10mm and you feel play, it is not much of an issue, but you can "preload" the axle plate in a clockwise direction as you tighten everything up.
Many dropouts have quick release "lawyer lips" that come out sideways and prevent the torque plate from sitting flat against the dropout. If this is the case, you will want to be sure to have a washer that fits inside the lip area. We make custom "spacer 'C' washer" for this job, though the lock washer that comes with many hub motors is often about the right width and diameter.
For the hose-clamp model, a small length of heat-shrink tubing over the stainless steel band can make the final installation look more discrete and protect the paint job from getting scratched. We include several pieces of shrink tube with each torque arm package.
Good information on the Grin website ... sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words. ;)


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I've just fitted a cheap chinese conversion kit to my aluminium forked bike which is 1000w and on the test run it opened up and was half out of the forks but luckily I had one of those torque arms on.It did scrape the jubilee clip down the frame and i've now ordered another torque arm for the other side but can't help thinking the force must be concentrated on the jubilee clip.Not sure what else to do.
I did a DIY conversion some years back with a 750W front hub motor from Grin Tech that they actually guaranteed to work at 48V vs the rated 36V. The higher 1KW output concerned me so not only did I swap out the alum fork for a chromo steel one, I removed the headset bearings and pressed in a set of downhill bearings and installed two torque arms. Worked great for years, with no visible damage to the forks when I had to repair the inevitable flat.

I got the fork and bearings from the local Bicycle Kitchen and the torque arms from Grin Tech.
 
I did a DIY conversion some years back with a 750W front hub motor from Grin Tech that they actually guaranteed to work at 48V vs the rated 36V. The higher 1KW output concerned me so not only did I swap out the alum fork for a chromo steel one, I removed the headset bearings and pressed in a set of downhill bearings and installed two torque arms. Worked great for years, with no visible damage to the forks when I had to repair the inevitable flat.

I got the fork and bearings from the local Bicycle Kitchen and the torque arms from Grin Tech.
Being a novice at doing this.Is the work doing the swap difficult?For me it's a winter project whilst I can't go out riding because of the cold UK weather.Cheers.
 
This!

I'd take responsibility for myself and use better torque arms of similar design with a 500W Motor on the fork.

HOWEVER, this surely wouldn't be a bike I'd be comfortable with curb jumping or dodging potholes with. Flat streets no banging and jarring? I'd ride it.

But I'd tell anyone else to get a steel fork. That's the best advice.
Thanks for that Thomas.The last thing I want to do is twist the Motor connectors off so maybe swapping the forks is the way to go.
 
Being a novice at doing this.Is the work doing the swap difficult?For me it's a winter project whilst I can't go out riding because of the cold UK weather.Cheers.
There's nothing particularly tricky about anything I did, though there are a couple of tools required to remove the existing headset bearing races and then press the new heavier duty bearing races into place. I borrowed these from the local Bicycle Kitchen where I was volunteering at the time. Your LBS probably has these as well.

BTW - I would strongly recommend a 'chromo' steel fork over a 'hardened' steel one due to chromo's higher strength.
 
Changing the forks is quite straightforward. They are either threaded or threadless. If the latter, the common size is 1 1/8". If the former, it's either 1" or 1 1/8". Easy to check. Make a cardboard form and measure with a ruler if needed.

Then it's a matter of finding a steel fork with a steerer tube as long or longer than what you have. On some bikes with really long head tubes, this is difficult.

If I walked into my LBS asking to borrow or even rent a tool, they would laugh me out of the joint, A home made press consisting of a 3/4" threaded rod and some nuts/washers will press in your crowns should you wish to change them. A hammer/screwdriver will knock them out too, Here in the USA, I used to buy FSA headsets for $12-14 on ebay, but my last fork went on a new bike, so I just re-used everything.
 
Changing the forks is quite straightforward. They are either threaded or threadless. If the latter, the common size is 1 1/8". If the former, it's either 1" or 1 1/8". Easy to check. Make a cardboard form and measure with a ruler if needed.

Then it's a matter of finding a steel fork with a steerer tube as long or longer than what you have. On some bikes with really long head tubes, this is difficult.

If I walked into my LBS asking to borrow or even rent a tool, they would laugh me out of the joint, A home made press consisting of a 3/4" threaded rod and some nuts/washers will press in your crowns should you wish to change them. A hammer/screwdriver will knock them out too, Here in the USA, I used to buy FSA headsets for $12-14 on ebay, but my last fork went on a new bike, so I just re-used everything.
Don't mean to imply that a LBS would loan their tools out, just they most likely have the right tool for the job. Our LBS would press in the new bearing races for maybe 15 minutes labor for a known customer.
 
The OP's issue is a common one as the axle's on Chinese hub motors are 10mm and the dropouts are 9mm. You can grind in the methods described but the best way is with a 10mm rotary burr cylinder file chucked in a die grinder or drill. That way an equal amount is taken from both side of the dropout.

As an aside I put 2500 miles with a 1000w 9c front hub mounted on a carbon fiber fork with a torque arm on the disc side only using steel washers inside and outside the dropouts. I kept a close eye on it and it never showed any signs of distress. I did find that checking the nuts for proper torque frequently was necessary as I also used alot of regen and the back and forth motion would loosen them. I would suggest this for any front hub installation.

I also have about the same amount of miles on an aluminum fork with a Grin any axle that has a built in torque arm. I have decided to stick with this system as it can be set up for tool less take off.

There is alot of fear associated with using anything less than a steel fork for front hub motors but if properly installed and monitored it really isn't that dangerous. I have had more issues with the square taper cranks coming loose on my mid drive bike.
 
Excuse my ignorance but what is regen? At the moment I'm waiting for another torque arm to arrive and also checking ebay for steel forks.If I can get an adapter for my brake disc fitted in there I am hoping that will give more stability.Good advice.Many thanks.
 
Excuse my ignorance but what is regen? At the moment I'm waiting for another torque arm to arrive and also checking ebay for steel forks.If I can get an adapter for my brake disc fitted in there I am hoping that will give more stability.Good advice.Many thanks.
regen = regenerative braking. Electric motors can also be electric generators with a few simple changes that can be made 'on the fly' with the right motor, controller, and brake levers that are wired into the system. The electricity generated in regen mode takes energy that slows the bike = braking. This energy goes back into the battery recovering some of the energy usually lost as heat in the brakes = regenerative.
 
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