Prairie Dog
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Shimano SPD MT5s paired with Shimano EH500 Dual platform pedals.
Nice setup for on and off-road.
I'm going to strongly disagree that any platform pedal is "about as good" as clipless. It is no coincidence that ALL the fastest riders in the world ride clipless. Many pro teams refuse to accept shoe sponsors so that their riders are free to use their personal preference in cycling shoes.I hate clipless shoes admittedly, but especially with these, riding clipless just seems so silly when Fivetens are about as good with way more versatility and safety.
It's kind of ironic, because road bikers are all "I need multiple positions to keep my hands comfortable on long rides... But I also lock my feet into the same exact position that I spin in for hours."
I have no need to increase my average speed and (at my age) have a major aversion to falling! I bought some FiveTens less than a year ago along with better pedals and it’s the go-to combo for my warm weather riding. I have three different pairs of shoes I use depending on where I’m riding and if it’s wet conditions. All are quite secure and give me the option to move my feet around to find the most comfortable position.I'm going to strongly disagree that any platform pedal is "about as good" as clipless. It is no coincidence that ALL the fastest riders in the world ride clipless. Many pro teams refuse to accept shoe sponsors so that their riders are free to use their personal preference in cycling shoes.
The average rider does not NEED clipless pedals/shoes, but can easily benefit from them. I rode them for years on my road bike and then got away from cycling., When I got my ebike and started riding again, I used platform pedals and sneakers like most here do. They work fine and are safe, but I found that my feet always tended to move forward on the pedal.
I've been struggling to increase my average speed for some time. I decided to try my old road bike shoes and pedals a few weeks ago. I was shocked to see that my average speed instantly increased by 1.5 - 2.0 mph by changing nothing but shoes & pedals. I've now had 5 rides, all 20-25 miles, in my clipless and this average speed increase remains consistent. I now just feet more comfortable that my feet are always properly positioned on the pedals.
But I'm all about comfort these days and it is very awkward and somewhat dangerous to walk with slick carbon soles and road bike cleats on your shoes. It is also nice to use platform pedals on occasion when you just want to go for a leisurely ride around the park or neighborhood. So I've ordered a pair of my favorite cycling shoes in MTB version (Lake Cycling MX-241) and will soon try the dual sided pedals that are platform on one side and SPD clipless on the other side (Shimano EH500 SPD). This setup gives me the options for both efficiency and comfort and I love having options!
And yes I have fallen 2 times due to being unable to unclip fast enough. Once was years ago when I was first learning to use clipless pedals. The second was last week when I was "relearning" to use them after quite a few years off the bike. Fortunately our bodies have a natural instinct to protect itself and there are some things that most people only do once in life. Forgetting to unclip your shoes when preparing for a stop is one of those things for me. The only reason I fell last week is that I had to make a panic stop and my reflexes just were not quick enough to think about stopping and unclipping at the same time. I actually forgot I was riding clipless in the moment and it was kind of good that I got that fall out of the way. It was a very good reminder and I don't think I'll be repeating that mistake anytime soon!
I would agree that that speed difference is substantial and can justify clipless. But it's not fair to make a comparison between a highly customized clipless setup and whatever flat shoes one has lying around, which is often the comparison made, not sure if you were. The popular youtube channel GCN did exactly that, it was a farce. A comparison to a high quality spiky flat pedal and say, Fiveten Freeriders is more apt, plus at least a couple weeks of acclimation (vs the years spent on clipless).I'm going to strongly disagree that any platform pedal is "about as good" as clipless. It is no coincidence that ALL the fastest riders in the world ride clipless. Many pro teams refuse to accept shoe sponsors so that their riders are free to use their personal preference in cycling shoes.
The average rider does not NEED clipless pedals/shoes, but can easily benefit from them. I rode them for years on my road bike and then got away from cycling., When I got my ebike and started riding again, I used platform pedals and sneakers like most here do. They work fine and are safe, but I found that my feet always tended to move forward on the pedal.
I've been struggling to increase my average speed for some time. I decided to try my old road bike shoes and pedals a few weeks ago. I was shocked to see that my average speed instantly increased by 1.5 - 2.0 mph by changing nothing but shoes & pedals. I've now had 5 rides, all 20-25 miles, in my clipless and this average speed increase remains consistent. I now just feet more comfortable that my feet are always properly positioned on the pedals.
But I'm all about comfort these days and it is very awkward and somewhat dangerous to walk with slick carbon soles and road bike cleats on your shoes. It is also nice to use platform pedals on occasion when you just want to go for a leisurely ride around the park or neighborhood. So I've ordered a pair of my favorite cycling shoes in MTB version (Lake Cycling MX-241) and will soon try the dual sided pedals that are platform on one side and SPD clipless on the other side (Shimano EH500 SPD). This setup gives me the options for both efficiency and comfort and I love having options!
And yes I have fallen 2 times due to being unable to unclip fast enough. Once was years ago when I was first learning to use clipless pedals. The second was last week when I was "relearning" to use them after quite a few years off the bike. Fortunately our bodies have a natural instinct to protect itself and there are some things that most people only do once in life. Forgetting to unclip your shoes when preparing for a stop is one of those things for me. The only reason I fell last week is that I had to make a panic stop and my reflexes just were not quick enough to think about stopping and unclipping at the same time. I actually forgot I was riding clipless in the moment and it was kind of good that I got that fall out of the way. It was a very good reminder and I don't think I'll be repeating that mistake anytime soon!
I used the old leather & steel clips back in the 80s when I road raced & then the first generation of clipless pedals, Look ones I think and a strange early Adidas clipless shoe/pedal combo where, like with traditional metal and leather strapped clips you had to reach down and pull a little red lever to unclip your feet! But actually those Adidas were amazingly comfortable. Nowdays on my bikes I always use platforms, and over the years on road, mountain biking and commuting. These days I'm not racing anyone and on my e bike I use an old pair of walking shoes - kind of a robust goretex trainer with cheap VP 536 platform pedals - rode all winter and really comfy combo. I've never had an issue with my feet flying off from platforms or the platforms being uncomfortable or just feeling slow. But as I say I'm not racing anymore. Except maybe dogs : )I would agree that that speed difference is substantial and can justify clipless. But it's not fair to make a comparison between a highly customized clipless setup and whatever flat shoes one has lying around, which is often the comparison made, not sure if you were. The popular youtube channel GCN did exactly that, it was a farce. A comparison to a high quality spiky flat pedal and say, Fiveten Freeriders is more apt, plus at least a couple weeks of acclimation (vs the years spent on clipless).
I had used the hybrid clipless aka campus pedal, and found them annoying because you had to flip the pedal over often. That said, I was riding in traffic so I had to clip and unclip frequently.
Scientific studies don't find any improved efficiency from going clipless though they haven't been conducted on climbs where clipless fare best. I also haven't heard many people claim that advantage of going significantly faster as you have.
Some funky feet here, wide toes and very high arcs so shoes are always a challenge often having to get at least a half size too large to fit comfortably.I think the clipless advantage for me is the ability to spin more efficiently as I can pull on the upstroke.
I think the clipless advantage for me is the ability to spin more efficiently as I can pull on the upstroke.
In the wintertime, I suppose?Steel Toe Work Boots or Hiking Boots.
Vietnam.China vs USA vs England vs Russia which other countries make shoes?