Trek Allant+ 8S -2020 Model - Amazing style and value at $4299

Rick53 said:
Here is the Trek alliant 7 : I'm told $3899.00 Will be offered in a 7 and 7S So Bosch Gen 4 CX or High Speed 28 MPH. For some reason I can't get the Colored picture to Post. It's posted in a Thread from a month ago.

HERE: https://electricbikereview.com/foru...d-colored-pictures-class-3.31726/#post-244830

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Does a cover for the electric motor cost extra?
 
I am. Sadly, although they replaced the shifter cable, it appears to be creating resistance again. Pushing a tad over 300 miles, hoping to test some more.
 
Amazer98 said:
Does a cover for the electric motor cost extra?
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By 'cover' I am assuming you are referring to some kind of bash guard to protect the motor housing from damage? I haven't seen these specifically for the Bosch motors but when I have seen them they are an extra cost accessory.
 
Leisesturm said:
By 'cover' I am assuming you are referring to some kind of bash guard to protect the motor housing from damage? I haven't seen these specifically for the Bosch motors but when I have seen them they are an extra cost accessory.
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Just kidding! At first view it looked like the photo showed a cutaway look at the motor, sort of an illusion. On closer inspection , it’s normal, I admit. Never mind.
 
I purchased the Allant 9.9s and then did some upgrades on it. Here is my take (cut/update/paste from my earlier review) on what happens if you take a top tier bike and take it to the next level with some carefully chosen upgrades:

This is some different kind of bike. If I had to use just one word to describe the ride on this bike, it would be refined. I am accustomed to riding Riese & Muller full suspension bikes with heavy frames, cushy suspensions, solid performers but 70-80 lbs. all geared up.

This carbon fiber frame rigid fork, hardtail weighs about 20 lbs. less than my other bikes. It is way easier to manhandle up the stairs from the basement. The Allant is more nimble than the R&Ms both because of its weight but also due to its different geometry. It steers quick and agile, easy to ride hands free, with great balance. It came with the Shimano 10-51 Tooth 12 Speed Cassette (which was superior to factory spec, 10-45) The 625wh battery is a bit a beast, quite heavy really. I am curious to see what kind of range it will deliver.

My modifications to the bike are as follows:
  • Sram AXS X01 Wireless Electronic Shifter and Derailleur
  • Baramind City Shock Absorbing Handlebar
  • Kinekt Body Float Seat Post
  • Selle Anatomica H2 Saddle
  • Catalyst Flat Pedals
  • Abus Bordo Alarm Lock
  • SQ Lab 702 Grips
  • Selle Itallia Rear View Mirror
  • Knog OI Bell
  • Seat Post Mounted Brake Light
  • Electronic (usb rechargeable) Horn
  • Knog Trail Light - Aux Battery
  • Quad Lok Phone Holder
  • Tannus Armour with Tubolito inner tubes.
  • And of course a Bosch Nyon Display (it came with the Smart Phone Hub which I had replaced with the Intuvia mount to accommodate the Nyon)
The bike looks fast just sitting there with its matt black, brooding presence. The glossy signal red accents really add a great deal to the dramatic and speedy overall look. The solid alloy fenders ad some weight but are so much more substantial and well fitted than the SKS plastic ones so much in vogue these days. All stays are solid rod with one screw hole, no adjustments, just a perfect fit. All cables enter the bike at the stem and disappear. The stock lighting is surprisingly good, so much so that I am not thinking of swapping for the Supernova. There is a bright low beam with a very sharp, horizontal cut off on top and a plentifully bright high beam with orange side lights on the front and a compact but quite bright pulsing red light aft with red side lighting in the stern.

It is quick off the line with the new Gen 4 High Speed motor giving nearly as much off the line performance as a gen 2 CX. Where it really shines though is at speed. The added torque seems to make its presence known about 22 mph making it easier to sustain 24-27 mph on flat ground in sport mode than it is in turbo on my Homage Rohloff with the Bosch HS (28 mph) motor. If I shut down assistance at 27 mph, speed starts coming off the bike but I can still keep it going on my own at around 18-20 mph with reasonable effort so the motor disengagement when not in use is a real plus. This bike can cruise, smoothly and with grace. It begs to be ridden.

The motor is makes quite a bit more noise than my Gen 2s, especially at the higher assist levels, sport and turbo. It is my understanding that the nylon gears used in the earlier generation motors have been replaced with metal gears. I have heard that they do quiet down over time and use. Let's hope so. While the bike looks quite stealthy and is probably one of the better integrated, less ebikey (is that even a word?) looking Flat handlebar bikes available, its sound track is a dead giveaway right now.

Coming off of two full suspension bikes to one without even a front fork was not a problem. With the Body Float seat post, Baramind handlebars, 2.4" tires with Tannus Armour with 24 psi front & 28 psi rear and Carbon Fiber frame the bike is amazingly compliant, quiet and is as sweet a ride in all but the bigger, deeper road flaws. It does require posting up over the big stuff, more so than the full Fox suspension on the other bikes.

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Can you post the USB electronic horn in use, hearing the sound/loudness, etc., as well as where it is acquired from?
I have a definite issue with people thinking they hear bids when I ring my bell as well as they are oblivious to anything but their company and/or earbuds songs.
 
Alaskan said:
I purchased the Allant 9.9s and then did some upgrades on it. Here is my take (cut/update/paste from my earlier review) on what happens if you take a top tier bike and take it to the next level with some carefully chosen upgrades:

This is some different kind of bike. If I had to use just one word to describe the ride on this bike, it would be refined. I am accustomed to riding Riese & Muller full suspension bikes with heavy frames, cushy suspensions, solid performers but 70-80 lbs. all geared up.

This carbon fiber frame rigid fork, hardtail weighs about 20 lbs. less than my other bikes. It is way easier to manhandle up the stairs from the basement. The Allant is more nimble than the R&Ms both because of its weight but also due to its different geometry. It steers quick and agile, easy to ride hands free, with great balance. It came with the Shimano 10-51 Tooth 12 Speed Cassette (which was superior to factory spec, 10-45) The 625wh battery is a bit a beast, quite heavy really. I am curious to see what kind of range it will deliver.

My modifications to the bike are as follows:
  • Sram AXS X01 Wireless Electronic Shifter and Derailleur
  • Baramind City Shock Absorbing Handlebar
  • Kinekt Body Float Seat Post
  • Selle Anatomica H2 Saddle
  • Catalyst Flat Pedals
  • Abus Bordo Alarm Lock
  • SQ Lab 702 Grips
  • Selle Itallia Rear View Mirror
  • Knog OI Bell
  • Seat Post Mounted Brake Light
  • Electronic (usb rechargeable) Horn
  • Knog Trail Light - Aux Battery
  • Quad Lok Phone Holder
  • Tannus Armour with Tubolito inner tubes.
  • And of course a Bosch Nyon Display (it came with the Smart Phone Hub which I had replaced with the Intuvia mount to accommodate the Nyon)
The bike looks fast just sitting there with its matt black, brooding presence. The glossy signal red accents really add a great deal to the dramatic and speedy overall look. The solid alloy fenders ad some weight but are so much more substantial and well fitted than the SKS plastic ones so much in vogue these days. All stays are solid rod with one screw hole, no adjustments, just a perfect fit. All cables enter the bike at the stem and disappear. The stock lighting is surprisingly good, so much so that I am not thinking of swapping for the Supernova. There is a bright low beam with a very sharp, horizontal cut off on top and a plentifully bright high beam with orange side lights on the front and a compact but quite bright pulsing red light aft with red side lighting in the stern.

It is quick off the line with the new Gen 4 High Speed motor giving nearly as much off the line performance as a gen 2 CX. Where it really shines though is at speed. The added torque seems to make its presence known about 22 mph making it easier to sustain 24-27 mph on flat ground in sport mode than it is in turbo on my Homage Rohloff with the Bosch HS (28 mph) motor. If I shut down assistance at 27 mph, speed starts coming off the bike but I can still keep it going on my own at around 18-20 mph with reasonable effort so the motor disengagement when not in use is a real plus. This bike can cruise, smoothly and with grace. It begs to be ridden.

The motor is makes quite a bit more noise than my Gen 2s, especially at the higher assist levels, sport and turbo. It is my understanding that the nylon gears used in the earlier generation motors have been replaced with metal gears. I have heard that they do quiet down over time and use. Let's hope so. While the bike looks quite stealthy and is probably one of the better integrated, less ebikey (is that even a word?) looking Flat handlebar bikes available, its sound track is a dead giveaway right now.

Coming off of two full suspension bikes to one without even a front fork was not a problem. With the Body Float seat post, Baramind handlebars, 2.4" tires with Tannus Armour with 24 psi front & 28 psi rear and Carbon Fiber frame the bike is amazingly compliant, quiet and is as sweet a ride in all but the bigger, deeper road flaws. It does require posting up over the big stuff, more so than the full Fox suspension on the other bikes.
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Thanks for sharing your experience, @Alaskan . It is beautiful bike!

I am a fan of Trek's tenacity and longevity in the industry. They build amazing bikes and have weathered tremendous pressure in the midst of online sales.
The fact that their dealers and customers have strong loyalty says something about the company. They may not be the cheapest but they certainly stand behind their products.

I really admire their confidence in their products. They offer lifetime frame warranty on both hardtail and full-suspension bikes. That is commendable.

For anyone reading the thread, you might also consider Shimano XTR Di2. Works flawlessly and is a bit cheaper SRAM AXS wireless shifter set.

I think their new Allant 7S is fantastic bike for the price, just like Allant 8S.
 
Re: "For anyone reading the thread, you might also consider Shimano XTR Di2. Works flawlessly and is a bit cheaper SRAM AXS wireless shifter set."

Can you elaborate? Any experiences? Any references to a successful install or?

Comparisons?
 
GuruUno said:
Can you elaborate? Any experiences? Any references to a successful install or?
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Shimano XTR Di2 is perhaps the longest standing electronic shifting for bikes, MTB's and e-bikes.

bike.shimano.com

SHIMANO XTR M9050 SERIES | SHIMANO BIKE-EU | SHIMANO BIKE-EU

To Build Closer Relationships between People, Nature, and Bicycles. We believe in the power of cycling to create a better world as we move forward. We inspire all people to enjoy our products in their everyday lives and where they take them.
bike.shimano.com bike.shimano.com

It has a solid track record and proven reliability. It can be found on several high-end eMTB's . I will give you several examples.

Ttrek uses it in their racing bikes. They are crisp and precise. You don't to adjust them every month.



When Riese and Muller launched their delite "signature" ebike, they picked the XTR Di2.

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When Stromer ST2-S was luanched, it came with XTR Di2. Even their new ST5 has XTR Di2 and anyone who has used it knows how easy and precise it is.

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Any comparison to the Sram AXS X01 Wireless Electronic Shifter and Derailleur?
Also, the Sram AXS X01 Wireless Electronic Shifter and Derailleur is a "kit" for $1,000, what is needed/included for the 12 speed install of the XTR Di2?
 
GuruUno said:
Any comparison to the Sram AXS X01 Wireless Electronic Shifter and Derailleur?
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I have not used the SRAM AXS but I have used XTR Di2 extensively.
You could google for any comparison data.
I think SRAM AXS is a top-notch piece of hardware but XTR Di2 is a wired piece and does the job at 60% of the cost.
Instead of 12 speed, you will have 11 speeds but it has a proven track record. You could discuss the details with your local trek specialist.
 
GuruUno said:
This site shows 12.
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They capitalized the Di2 to DI2
From what I know you could use it with 11 speed and as well as 12 speed but I don't have a personal experience with 12 speed shifter. There seems to some sort of conversion as well.
It would be better to talk to an experienced tech. But what I can tell you is, XTR Di2 will resolve any of your shifter pain/issues. It is just a pure joy to use!
 
GuruUno said:
Can you post the USB electronic horn in use, hearing the sound/loudness, etc., as well as where it is acquired from?
I have a definite issue with people thinking they hear bids when I ring my bell as well as they are oblivious to anything but their company and/or earbuds songs.
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www.ebay.com

20 Large Magic Moving Sliders Furniture Pad Protector Floor Carpet Anti Slip Mat | eBay

😃Reduce Noise : Furniture sliders will reduce friction from daily use. Furniture will glide easily on the floors without leaving a mark or making unnecessary noise. Type Self-Stick Furniture Sliders.
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Getting back to the Di2, if the price is for the items totaled up = similar to the Sram, what's the point? It seems like a clusterFxxx of parts, wires, etc. to = a simple, clean install, no?
SHIMANO XTR DI2 SW-M9050 SHIFTER
Item #: SL218A00
$149.99SAVE 35 % MSRP $229.99
------------
SHIMANO XTR DI2 RD-M9050 REAR DERAILLEUR
$419.99
SAVE 33 %
MSRP $629.99
------------
Shimano SM-PCE1 Di2 PC Connector/Charger For E-Tube
$172.99
------------
And on and on and on and on. Plus all the crap hanging, wires running.
Educate me, why this over that?
 
GuruUno said:
Educate me,
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Not sure if you watched any of the video links above. I will try to be patient.

GuruUno said:
It seems like a clusterFxxx of parts, wires, etc. to = a simple, clean install, no?
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I am not sure if you seen it or used it and yet, you have no qualms to use the word clusterf***.
I recommend you first rent a bike with XTR Di2 and that would be the best source of comparison. Do you think Markus Riese and Heiko Muller would put such hardware on their signature model?

Amazon.com : SHIMANO XTR Di2 RD-M9050 Rear Derailleur : Sports & Outdoors

Amazon.com : SHIMANO XTR Di2 RD-M9050 Rear Derailleur : Sports & Outdoors
www.amazon.com

You could get a medium cage RD-M9050 for around $400. All pieces involved would total around $750.

SRAM XXS would be north of $1250 for the whole package.

I think I have made my point.
 
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