The Green Room

[Mulezen]

dodgeman…in your experience you undoubtably saw many improvements thru the years in your profession…GPS comes to mind…which is also how we know exactly how fast and in what directions the various tectonic plates are moving. The aforementioned Dvorak book only deals with the current climate crisis (‘the great acceleration’) in the final chapter but once you get a feel for geologic time the current situation is an explosion and not some slow process

 

[Handlebars]

The aforementioned Dvorak book only deals with the current climate crisis (‘the great acceleration’) in the final chapter but once you get a feel for geologic time the current situation is an explosion and not some slow process

More nonspecific and unsupported nonsense, Mulezen? How would you know anything about a micro-slice of 70 years in geological time except perhaps that a giant collision occurrred, and then to place that in any certain 70 year period... what foolishness.

 

[Handlebars]

I am a land surveyor and took a class on testifying in court as an expert witness. The teacher said to never admit you guessed something, you estimated it instead. Let me tell you, when they are looking at data from millions of years ago, they are estimating the data to get results, in other words guessing. When I see something like the temperature is 1.37 degrees warmer than it was 500 years ago, how exactly do they know that?

It’s important to understand how things like climate change is determined. If I put 3 penny’s on a table and ask how many there are, the answer is definite. People are taking a bunch of data and getting an answer that is not black and white. My big problem when reading about climate change is they never use words like “might”, “maybe”, or”could be”. It doesn’t help the climate change in now a political pawn now.

These aren’t estimates but are precision measurements…the certainty is high...and as Neal Degrasse Tyson says…”The great thing about Science is that it’s true whether you believe it or not.”

Question is ignored and high certainty declared

 

[Art Deco]

Yes indeed!! If you go to ´Open Secrets¨ online you can check the portfolios of congress & the
senate. There you discover the Gop is heavily invested in big oil while the Dems are fond of
big pharm.. Of course both parties are invested in both to some extent, but it seems the Gop
is highly enamored of the military industrial complex. Small wonder since the military consumes
around as much petrol as the rest of the country.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary (or stock portfolio) depends upon his not understanding it."
Apologies to Upton Sinclair, but Congress didn’t have the stock holdings then as they do today.
And let's not forget the Big Tech stocks (FANG etc) that is about all that’s holding up the market nowadays. They don't know anything about the harm social media does. Of course not.

Anyway, that's the business environment we all live in now, and global weirding is just a part of it. As far as the military goes, ours or our "friendemies"; their carbon footprint alone is larger than then their whole population's ... even in peacetime, much less when they are actively blowing things up, which doesn’t help the environment much either.
But all you hear about is the relatively tiny things that consumers can do ... recycle, buy an electric car, eat less meat, etc...

 

[Handlebars]

"When I see something like the temperature is 1.37 degrees warmer than it was 500 years ago, how exactly do they know that?"

The recipe for that goes like this.
They have an algorithm that doesn't care about positive or negative sign. They have proxy measurements from various artifacts that are assigned dates by opinion, even if the opinion differs from historical event records that have never been challenged because we know the dates to the year, and there are no contrary indicators about that dating of an historical event.
Further, the proxy bits are bundled, because, for example some types of trees chosen do not have lifespans of thousands of years. When one "stick"of the bundle ends, or another is added, it changes the value of the proxy bundle at that date instantly, to spike straight up or down at that date.
Further, the tree experts boast that their science is the only science where "cherry-picking" of the evidence is condoned. So they cherry pick the cherry pickings.
Further, these scientists turn the proxy graph upside down at will, from the scientifically accepted orientation. they sometimes are forced to admit error after a fierce battle, they make a correction notice to the study, illicitly add into the correction that it doesn't make any difference, and then do it again in their next study. Ordinary unpaid people weary of the cost associated with battling for correction of the same junk, over and over and over, when the quiet correction comes much later than the headlines the study made. Essentially nobody knows a major admission of error happened.
Further, one tree on all the earth is given an importance unmatched by any others.

That is how the picture is painted to achieve the super true *precision* measurements of such amazingly superb accuracy to enable politicians - on information given by IPCC - to begin making your personal decision making rights and freedoms go away, and placing huge taxes on your necessities.

 

[PatriciaK]

Schwinn Day Tripper trailer arriving Wednesday! Excited to start using the La Free for about town grocery and other shopping!

Not Going to make a difference in the big picture, but the little steps I can take matter... To me .

 

[PatriciaK]

Arriving Wednesday! Excited to start using the La Free for about town grocery and other shopping!

Not Going to make a difference in the big picture, but the little steps I can take matter... To me .

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Plus the yellow color is going to look really cute with my blue bike

 

[Art Deco]

Plus the yellow color is going to look really cute with my blue bike

And makes you more visible. A win, indeed.

 

[Mulezen]

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary (or stock portfolio) depends upon his not understanding it."
Apologies to Upton Sinclair, but Congress didn’t have the stock holdings then as they do today.
And let's not forget the Big Tech stocks (FANG etc) that is about all that’s holding up the market nowadays. They don't know anything about the harm social media does. Of course not.

Anyway, that's the business environment we all live in now, and global weirding is just a part of it. As far as the military goes, ours or our "friendemies"; their carbon footprint alone is larger than then their whole population's ... even in peacetime, much less when they are actively blowing things up, which doesn’t help the environment much either.
But all you hear about is the relatively tiny things that consumers can do ... recycle, buy an electric car, eat less meat, etc...

So true…think of the Exxon scientists whose warnings in the 80s were squashed by their betters (and their stock options).

 

[PatriciaK]

And makes you more visible. A win, indeed.

It's also got a little pole with a flag - that will help, too...

 

[Handlebars]

So true…think of the Exxon scientists whose warnings in the 80s were squashed by their betters (and their stock options).

You know what makes me more proud than anything? Our green members who gave up all coal gas and oil products and divested when they found out about global warming.

 

[tomjasz]

I remember being in junior high school in the early 1970’s. I had a friend who did a oral report on global cooling. The science was there we were heading towards another ice age. I always wondered what happened to that theory? I finally found an article that said those scientists that said the earth was cooling off in the 1970’s didn’t know what they were talking about, they were fringe scientist. Is that how the current global warming theory will be looked at 40 years from now?

Climate change. Wet areas wetter. Dry areas drier. Deeper freezing and higher heat. The deniers get this all confused.

 

[tomjasz]

did have biology in high school.

Largely useless for me. Those hair roots weren’t roots at all. Mycorrhizae, a fungi with symbiotic root relationships. This new world of HS science flunkies barfing lies and innuendo are sickening.

Sorry for the out burst! Not pointing at you!

 

[john peck]

One can always find some ´scientific´ study that agrees with one´s point of view. I´m sure there are
several that will tell you tobacco is good for you. Never-the-less, this has been the year of the
U.S. domestic climate refugee. That´s pretty hard to deny.

 

[Handlebars]

Climate change. Wet areas wetter. Dry areas drier. Deeper freezing and higher heat. The deniers get this all confused.

Noticed that you provided no scientific evidence. As usual. Name-calling but no evidence.

 

[Catalyzt]

Wasn the world underwater at some point in time? I have read of sea shells at the top of mountains that are thousands of feet above sea level.. So did climate change cause this also and if so? Why? Was it Cow Farts? or maybe Dinosaur Farts?

Seems the world has always evolved and man has been busy trying to figure what he did to make the change.. Maybe so he can try to control it for future use agains other humans?

Read a story once that a great flood happened (seems to explain the shells on the mountain tops... Dried up after a few months.. Not many men left.. Climate Change is brutal... luckily they had a boat that was made out of wood.. Wonder how many trees that took? Or maybe it was the cause for the rain... Not enough oxygen after they cut them down? Not sure as it all sounds kooky to begin with.

Its funny as the Climate Crews are never wrong but if you dont believe you should be banned from society.. Same bunch pushing a sickness recently ... SHeep follow...They cant help it Wolves eat sheep... they cant help it... Not to many Take a stand and ask why... Hard to find Sheppards but their will always bee shep.. this pandemic has shown that for sure... People who are taught to not think and analyze end up being sheep..

3 type of people in this world
1) Those that make things happen
2) Those that watch things happen
3) Those that wonder what happened

We have a bunch of watchers and wonderers ...I choose to be #1.. I am not a follower. Might not question all but ask your self a couple questions... Why, Who benefits, whos paying, Who benefits .. Follow the money.. Typically it sorts out after you find the trail...
With 20k Deaths reported (represents about 10% reporting)
900k Side affects (represents about 10% reporting)
99.8% survival rate and 99.999 for children... Why push a shot on the kids? why close society down? Why Why why... Pharmaceuticals are making billions and they are paying everyone down stream including Govt.. why do they need a clause in their contract that they are not responsible for any kind of side affect? If something happens they are not liable.. ?
Under the emergency use act here in the USA they have no repercussions ... No shot has approval yet but yet they tell you they have approvals... They are not supposed to be able to get approvals if there are other treatments available... There are..

Supposed to give concent for every shot and you are to be told about the side affects but that is not happening either.. WHY? Why? Why? So many questions

Do yourself a favor.. next time you are at the pharmacy.... Ask the pharmacist to show you the insert to the vaccine that has all the data on it....I mean if its safe and affective you can see it for yourself...

Try it and then report back...

Point is.. Wool makes the eyes itch if you are paying attention and at some point it needs moved from over the eyes.

Your comments about 'wolves' eating 'sheep' are an attempt to intimidate others.

You are no wolf, my friend. And no one is afraid of you.

 

[Gordon71]

"Do yourself a favor.. next time you are at the pharmacy.... Ask the pharmacist to show you the insert to the vaccine that has all the data on it....I mean if its safe and affective you can see it for yourself..."

Actually one can see for themselves. Now that we've had vaccines for covid for a while all we need to see is whether or not the vast majority of folks hospitalized and or dying from covid have been vaccinated or not.

 

[PedalUma]

The Boulder County, Colorado Sheriff’s Office reported a total of 991 structures were destroyed in the Marshall Fire throughout Superior, Louisville and unincorporated Boulder County. Without Climate Change we would not have fires like this in late December. These people are not imagining their plight. It is REAL.

 

[Handlebars]

Your comments about 'wolves' eating 'sheep' are an attempt to intimidate others.

That means you have trouble reading without transference into what you would do. Though it is what people do, it seems you just might have a bit more trouble in optimal differentiation.

 

[Handlebars]

Your comments about 'wolves' eating 'sheep' are an attempt to intimidate others.

You are no wolf, my friend. And no one is afraid of you.

Let's read the sentences together!

Its funny as the Climate Crews are never wrong but if you dont believe you should be banned from society.. Same bunch pushing a sickness recently ... SHeep follow...They cant help it Wolves eat sheep... they cant help it...

"Its funny as the Climate Crews are never wrong but if you dont believe you should be banned from society"
To me he's mocking the professional pushers' efforts and faults. Those would be climate scientists, politicians, mainstream news agencies, and well funded action groups. And banks.
The same are now running covid action. You were vaxxed. You were double vaxxed. Then you were unvaxxed again.Then you were boosted. Then you were unvaxxed again again. Yes, #4 is the new target. And you'll be freed again!

They want to do things to deniers. To me that seems to range all the way from giving them a good name-calling to removal of their banking and mortgaging ability, so yes, I'd say banning from society is what is being called for. And camps - as in Australia, where they just recently used military to forcibly take aboriginal people to detainment camp, in a little trial run.
No mention of use of force to remove suspects of being near an infected, when the plan is presented.

Health authorities in South Australia are racing to organise quarantine "camps" for Aboriginal people unable to quarantine at home.

Key points:​

• The facilities would house Aboriginal people unable to quarantine at home
• They would be set up in regional centres like Port Augusta and Mount Gambier
• An Indigenous elder says he's disappointed such measures weren't put in place earlier

A tender issued by SA Health this week sought companies able to manage facilities in regional centres like Port Augusta, Port Lincoln, Renmark and Mount Gambier in the event of an outbreak.

"It has been identified that facilities would be required for the quarantining of persons who would otherwise be unable to home quarantine due to their living circumstances," the tender document stated."

... SHeep follow...They cant help it Wolves eat sheep... they cant help it..

To me he's saying nature itself reveals that your friends in high places are not your friends, and will come for you too, as you want them to do now to us in varying degree.

How do you derive the notion that he's saying different from that theme? Those "dogs" over there are not sheepdogs.