The Green Room

[Handlebars]

Climate change is more than just possible…the massive amount of evidence says its real and existential. Some of this evidence which goes back millions of years is contained in analyzing bore hole cores (Greenland) where actual samples of ancient air samples are contained within the ice samples accurately dated to the seasons. And written records go back much further for example Japanese records of a massive ghost tsunami around 1700 AD which it turns out came from an earthquake in the Pacific Northwest. Note that PBS had a Nova-type show ‘Earth Emergency’ (WED NITE) which examined the current climate situation including certain feedback loops.
The evidence is everywhere

Too bad the 2 top ice core scientists refuse to archive as is required of them.

 

[Handlebars]

Mostly only the ones that worked for big oil. The whole global cooling thing was (and still is ) just another con based on the idea that ice ages came and went on a regular schedule and we were overdue.

Much like the cigarette companies saying " We don't know if smoking is harmfull" .

No, the oil companies had BRAGGED that they could help melt glaciers. Further, they helped show global warming after that cooling scare, the funding by BP and Royal Dutch Shell established the Climatic Research Unit in England and they have funded climate research throughout. A BP top exec falsely cleared the Climatic Research Unit scientists of wrongdoing in climategate.
It's obvious! Why would the scientists under the gun for fraud and FOI interference, bring in a top BP executive to be the decider of what they had said that was bad and fraudulent? they used "the old boys club". It's all in the game.

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[Handlebars]

‘We don’t fully understand how to input things like changes in the oceans, and because we don’t fully understand it you could say that natural variability is now working to suppress the warming. We don’t know what natural variability is doing.’

2nd most famous climate lying scientist in the world coughed up a bolus of truth under stress, to account for the worrisome "Pause" in the warming record. You COULD say that, yeah. You don't know what you pretended to know until after they rejigged the record, and then you know again.

 

[john peck]

Mostly only the ones that worked for big oil. The whole global cooling thing was (and still is ) just another con based on the idea that ice ages came and went on a regular schedule and we were overdue.

Much like the cigarette companies saying " We don't know if smoking is harmfull" . Both big oil and big tobacco had scientists that knew the basics of the harm to follow since the fifties.

Today's big pharmaceutical companies seemto be following the same playbook.

Yes indeed!! If you go to ´Open Secrets¨ online you can check the portfolios of congress & the
senate. There you discover the Gop is heavily invested in big oil while the Dems are fond of
big pharm.. Of course both parties are invested in both to some extent, but it seems the Gop
is highly enamored of the military industrial complex. Small wonder since the military consumes
around as much petrol as the rest of the country.

 

[Handlebars]

Yes indeed!! If you go to ´Open Secrets¨ online you can check the portfolios of congress & the
senate.

...and the spouses and other family members, such as the artistic son who pays 10% off the top to "the big guy"?

 

[Handlebars]

Yes indeed!! If you go to ´Open Secrets¨ online you can check the portfolios of congress & the
senate. There you discover the Gop is heavily invested in big oil while the Dems are fond of
big pharm.. Of course both parties are invested in both to some extent, but it seems the Gop
is highly enamored of the military industrial complex. Small wonder since the military consumes
around as much petrol as the rest of the country.

what are the terrified fully paid teachers union invested in? pharma. Compare pharma $ to defense $ .

 

[Mulezen]

I am a land surveyor and took a class on testifying in court as an expert witness. The teacher said to never admit you guessed something, you estimated it instead. Let me tell you, when they are looking at data from millions of years ago, they are estimating the data to get results, in other words guessing. When I see something like the temperature is 1.37 degrees warmer than it was 500 years ago, how exactly do they know that?

It’s important to understand how things like climate change is determined. If I put 3 penny’s on a table and ask how many there are, the answer is definite. People are taking a bunch of data and getting an answer that is not black and white. My big problem when reading about climate change is they never use words like “might”, “maybe”, or”could be”. It doesn’t help the climate change in now a political pawn now.

These aren’t estimates but are precision measurements…the certainty is high...and as Neal Degrasse Tyson says…”The great thing about Science is that it’s true whether you believe it or not.”

 

[DavidRvR]

Wasn the world underwater at some point in time? I have read of sea shells at the top of mountains that are thousands of feet above sea level.. So did climate change cause this also and if so? Why? Was it Cow Farts? or maybe Dinosaur Farts?

Seems the world has always evolved and man has been busy trying to figure what he did to make the change.. Maybe so he can try to control it for future use agains other humans?

Read a story once that a great flood happened (seems to explain the shells on the mountain tops... Dried up after a few months.. Not many men left.. Climate Change is brutal... luckily they had a boat that was made out of wood.. Wonder how many trees that took? Or maybe it was the cause for the rain... Not enough oxygen after they cut them down? Not sure as it all sounds kooky to begin with.

Its funny as the Climate Crews are never wrong but if you dont believe you should be banned from society.. Same bunch pushing a sickness recently ... SHeep follow...They cant help it Wolves eat sheep... they cant help it... Not to many Take a stand and ask why... Hard to find Sheppards but their will always bee shep.. this pandemic has shown that for sure... People who are taught to not think and analyze end up being sheep..

3 type of people in this world
1) Those that make things happen
2) Those that watch things happen
3) Those that wonder what happened

We have a bunch of watchers and wonderers ...I choose to be #1.. I am not a follower. Might not question all but ask your self a couple questions... Why, Who benefits, whos paying, Who benefits .. Follow the money.. Typically it sorts out after you find the trail...
With 20k Deaths reported (represents about 10% reporting)
900k Side affects (represents about 10% reporting)
99.8% survival rate and 99.999 for children... Why push a shot on the kids? why close society down? Why Why why... Pharmaceuticals are making billions and they are paying everyone down stream including Govt.. why do they need a clause in their contract that they are not responsible for any kind of side affect? If something happens they are not liable.. ?
Under the emergency use act here in the USA they have no repercussions ... No shot has approval yet but yet they tell you they have approvals... They are not supposed to be able to get approvals if there are other treatments available... There are..

Supposed to give concent for every shot and you are to be told about the side affects but that is not happening either.. WHY? Why? Why? So many questions

Do yourself a favor.. next time you are at the pharmacy.... Ask the pharmacist to show you the insert to the vaccine that has all the data on it....I mean if its safe and affective you can see it for yourself...

Try it and then report back...

Point is.. Wool makes the eyes itch if you are paying attention and at some point it needs moved from over the eyes.

 

[Handlebars]

These aren’t estimates but are precision measurements…the certainty is high...and as Neal Degrasse Tyson says…”The great thing about Science is that it’s true whether you believe it or not.”

that is nonsense. expected warming is derived from climate "sensitivity" to the increase of CO2 and the range of outcome is wide as provided through bayesian assumptions and inferences.

 

[Handlebars]

These aren’t estimates but are precision measurements…the certainty is high...and as Neal Degrasse Tyson says…”The great thing about Science is that it’s true whether you believe it or not.”

there is you and there is a top climate scientist..which to believe...you/top climate scientist

"These aren’t estimates but are precision measurements…the certainty is high./"‘We don’t fully understand how to input things like changes in the oceans, and because we don’t fully understand it you could say that natural variability is now working to suppress the warming. We don’t know what natural variability is doing."

 

[Handlebars]

These aren’t estimates but are precision measurements…the certainty is high...and as Neal Degrasse Tyson says…”The great thing about Science is that it’s true whether you believe it or not.”

What could be more self-defeating than that clown's blowhard output?
If it were "true" it would not be changed by re-examination. It would not depend on a couple of reviewers' opinions.

 

[dodgeman]

You can’t use “precise measurements“ and “the certainty is high” around me. As a land surveyor in know exactly what those 2 terms mean. We have been tracking the weather with reasonably precise measurements around the world for a little over 100 years. The certainty is high that anything else is an estimate at best.

 

[Handlebars]

You can’t use “precise measurements“ and “the certainty is high” around me. As a land surveyor in know exactly what those 2 terms mean. We have been tracking the weather with reasonably precise measurements around the world for a little over 100 years. The certainty is high that anything else is an estimate at best.

How they measure sea surface temps is a whole other story. Gee, what would they have done during the world wars? buckets on ropes dipped and hauled up? What did feezing airtemp do to the water temp as they hauled buckets up? Using intake ports that were influenced by the ship and what it was doing?
Staying off the regular testing routes due to not wishing to be sunk? Where are those records? Which ships?
Sea surface temps make up 2/3 of the record. That is why when they want to rejig, changing the sea surface temps has much more effect than changing land temps AND NOBODY CAN KNOW what they really were anyway.

 

[PatriciaK]

You

You can’t use “precise measurements“ and “the certainty is high” around me. As a land surveyor in know exactly what those 2 terms mean. We have been tracking the weather with reasonably precise measurements around the world for a little over 100 years. The certainty is high that anything else is an estimate at best.

You certainly seem to "know" a lot, as a land surveyor... Now, as a climatologist, biologist, physicist, geologist, hydrogeologist, or environmental scientist, on the other hand...

I'll stick with the vast majority of those in the scientific fields who have made this issue their life studies, and have bona-fide experience and data underpinning their opinions and projections.

Science ain't perfect, but it's the best we've got.

One problem with sheep is, they're too dumb to realize or admit that the shepherd knows a heck of a lot more than they do, and so they keep looking to other dumb sheep to get them out of the jams they create for themselves .

 

[Handlebars]

These aren’t estimates but are precision measurements…the certainty is high...and as Neal Degrasse Tyson says…”The great thing about Science is that it’s true whether you believe it or not.”

The clown of science says it's true whether you believe it or not.
Does that dear buffoon insist that this scientific finding is true?

"It is projected that man's potential to pollute will increase six- to eightfold in the next 50 years. If this increased rate of injection of particulate matter in the atmosphere should raise the present background opacity by a factor of 4, our calculations suggest a decrease in global temperature by as much as 3.5 °K. Such a large decrease in the average temperature of Earth, sustained over a period of few years, is believed to be sufficient to trigger an ice age. However, by that time, nuclear power may have largely replaced fossil fuels as a means of energy production.[6]"

 

[Handlebars]

I'll stick with the vast majority of those in the scientific fields who have made this issue their life studies, and have bona-fide experience and data underpinning their opinions and projections.

Science ain't perfect, but it's the best we've got.

That is an improvement over any contention that the shaggy neckbeard is an example of precision blade shaving.

What happens when there is disagreement and you as a sheep have no clue but to go with the flock? You pretend that the disagreement is in the minority and so "that is that".
What happens when a science is corrupted and the big players agree to enforce on journal editors to not print dissenting opinion and the editors come crawling to just one big shot of the group, to apologize and resign?
Bliss from the sheep. BAAAA AA

 

[Handlebars]

I'll stick with the vast majority of those in the scientific fields who have made this issue their life studies, and have bona-fide experience and data underpinning their opinions and projections.

Director of the Climatic Research Unit in England, keeper of the world's temperature records was being asked to give the records for examination by outside party.
To his fellow climate scientists he said

If they ever hear there is a Freedom of Information Act now in the UK, I think I’ll delete the file rather than send it to anyone.”

He would prefer to destroy the world's record than let any outsider see it.

 

[dodgeman]

I admit I know little about being a climatologist, I did have biology in high school. My point was I do have a knowledge of what precise measurement is and what certainty is high means from studying statistics. I’m at the 98% confidence level with that statement. What I’m really trying to say what the climatologist are saying is not an exact science although I do respect their opinion.

 

[Handlebars]

In the IPCC the same kind of ANTI-SCIENTIFIC behavior reigns. Papers that draw differing conclusions are seen to be an enemy of "The Cause" as they refer to their mission:

"I can't see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin [Trenberth] and I will keep them out somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!"

 

[Handlebars]

I admit I know little about being a climatologist, I did have biology in high school. My point was I do have a knowledge of what precise measurement is and what certainty is high means from studying statistics. I’m at the 98% confidence level with that statement. What I’m really trying to say what the climatologist are saying is not an exact science although I do respect their opinion.

Most of these corrupt scientists in IPCC are not climatologists. Climatologists need to know things, more than how to conduct war on outside inquiry .