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On what basis do you believe that it's irrational?
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Congratulations! You got the word green in your post AND mentioned a green food.
Thumbs up for being on topic!
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Well, The last time I asked about what could realistically be done legislatively to combat climate change, I was accused of being a troll. So I guess there are no solutions. how hot do you think it’ll get by 2050? I’m currently at 142 m above sea level, I don’t think it’ll reach there before I ascend to the sky permanently.
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You don't understand; everything is related to climate change and being green.
Here you go
sorry couldnt resist
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At just a glance, it's obvious what the "scientist" wants seen and what hidden.Here you go
sorry couldnt resist
"As the planet heats up, animals big and small, on land and in the sea, are headed to the poles to get out of the heat."
None of them are simply enjoying extended ranges toward the poles? All of them are traveling according to a temperature band they prefer in tiny varying increments? None are simply pursuing food or newly available property ? It reads like a quickly put together high school essay by a medium-smart student.
Or a world-famous climate scientist.
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Well, it appears the administration is doing something good for energy stocks:
www.commondreams.org
'Appalling': Outrage as Biden Prolongs Trump Coal Policy | Common Dreams
"Coal is killing our climate, yet the Biden administration is defending it" in federal court, one environmental advocate lamented.
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You have not provided any rationale for saying it's irrational to believe the figures. So who was being irrational?
I added it as more of a joke to stay on topic.. Thats why I apologized.. Terrible attempt at humor.. Lost on the topic I guess..
Tom is an angry person the last few days.. Give him a break. He woke up on the wrong side of the bed.. Let him be.. He doesnt bother me..
Like I had said before "I know the type". Angry, old and life isnt as fun as it was a few years ago... I know the type..
But life is so short and should be enjoyed.. If I told you what I have gone through the last 7 years it would break your heart...5 deaths (of the top of my head) for starters... but Trudge forward... Life is still what I make it.
Good Convo Handlebars and VoltMan99
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Yeah, I know. I just like tearing the nutjob greenie essays apart.
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Yeah, I might be grumpy too, if I had the skin on my feet getting thin.
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"On topic" is good. Let's not allow everything to go downhill to the lowest common denominator faction, as we see happening.
This is a great educational video
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Around here the hospitals are still full of Covid patients, and all elective procedures are still not available. (Like my wife's knee surgery.) But people aren't dying like they were, anymore either.
But this isn't the thread for Covid tales ...
Closed minds..Thats all.. seems to be the society we live in anymore.. Remember when good debate was healthy? Now everyone has feeling ands gets hurt by words... Moms would be proud haaa..
Gotta have tough skin for something and discussion can be one.. I try not to get emotionally involved.. Maybe why I actually listen and read the posts here and the links..
Whether it was Global warming to El nino (sp) El Ninia (sp) to climate change... seems the title has evolved for 4o to 100 years... seems when they get it straight It might be taken more serious.
9 years according to Dicapprio and OAC ...Not sure what all the fuss is about... we will all be gone so no need to be hostile to each other... If the world does end.. i'm prepped until it burns
Gotta have tough skin for something and discussion can be one.. I try not to get emotionally involved.. Maybe why I actually listen and read the posts here and the links..
Whether it was Global warming to El nino (sp) El Ninia (sp) to climate change... seems the title has evolved for 4o to 100 years... seems when they get it straight It might be taken more serious.
9 years according to Dicapprio and OAC ...Not sure what all the fuss is about... we will all be gone so no need to be hostile to each other... If the world does end.. i'm prepped until it burns
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Sure looked like a thinly veiled political barb and not a real question to me. At this point, it's probably more effectively addressed at a state legislative level than at the federal level.
I hope not, that's about the elevation of my rooftop! Seriously though, Japan's reliance on imported fossil fuels for energy and combination of imported meat+declining fisheries leave it in a vulnerable position.
Just from a resource management perspective it's clear that we can't afford to let the next 50 years look just like the last 50 years.
I read some time ago, and I'm too lazy to hunt for it, that the ozone hole shrank after the bad stuff was banned. It would be easy for you to google if you really are interested.
As for paint. I painted trees for years and never coughed up paint. Never wore a mask for it. Only got high (dizzy) once and we quit using that brand of paint. When outdoors, one needs to pay attention to the wind direction.
When I painted it was houses inside and out.. Cabinets, stain, some cars and so on... Try doing that with a n95 mask.. wont work to well..
Just some observation from a skeptic.. Take it for what its worth
Ozone hole was found to be as big as texas at times and so small other times it cant be found..
By international agreement in 1987 (the Montreal Protocol), the use and production of CFCs such as R12 began to be phased out, with automobile manufacturers required to stop using it by the end of the 1994
Parker states that Freon, as discussed by Dr. Ray is an “odorless, tasteless, chemically neutral substance” and is in fact “heavier than air.” This means that according to “the laws of physics” Freon “cannot rise into the atmosphere.” That’s because it is “heavier than air by a minimum of a four-to-one ratio.” Freon, according to Parker isn’t harmful if it is “spilled onto the ground.” He states that it simply becomes “plant food.”
When did Freon patent expire?
In 1978 the United States banned the use of CFCs such as Freon in aerosol cans, the beginning of a long series of regulatory actions against their use. The critical DuPont manufacturing patent for Freon ("Process for Fluorinating Halohydrocarbons", U.S. Patent #3258500) was set to expire in 1979.
The ozone prediction was proved incorrect and modified to a 2%-4% depletion.
So the ozone hole is more intense when there is sunlight over the south pole then where then is darkness (i.e., the austral winter). The size of the hole also changes (in some years it stretches to lower latitudes as the hole size increases).
So what do we know now? As far as ozone depletion is concerned, the thinning of the ozone layer that occurred throughout the 1980s apparently stopped in the early 1990s,
www.heritage.org
It's the concern that an eroded ozone layer will allow more of the sun's damaging UVB rays to reach the earth that led to the Montreal Protocol. But WMO concedes that no statistically significant long-term trends have been detected
The parallels with global warming are striking. Again we face a real but greatly overhyped environmental problem. In both cases, virtually everything the public has been told that sounds terrifying isn't true -- and what is true isn't particularly terrifying
Now they say the ozone hole has closed... Really? Just in time for the cooling cycle as the cycle continues and we leave the heating cycle.. Perfect timing
I find it interesting that all these Climate guy cry wolf and when it doesnt happen they say " Man we did it, We was able to slow it down or stop it!! See it never happened"..
Just some observation from a skeptic.. Take it for what its worth
Ozone hole was found to be as big as texas at times and so small other times it cant be found..
By international agreement in 1987 (the Montreal Protocol), the use and production of CFCs such as R12 began to be phased out, with automobile manufacturers required to stop using it by the end of the 1994
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Parker states that Freon, as discussed by Dr. Ray is an “odorless, tasteless, chemically neutral substance” and is in fact “heavier than air.” This means that according to “the laws of physics” Freon “cannot rise into the atmosphere.” That’s because it is “heavier than air by a minimum of a four-to-one ratio.” Freon, according to Parker isn’t harmful if it is “spilled onto the ground.” He states that it simply becomes “plant food.”
When did Freon patent expire?
In 1978 the United States banned the use of CFCs such as Freon in aerosol cans, the beginning of a long series of regulatory actions against their use. The critical DuPont manufacturing patent for Freon ("Process for Fluorinating Halohydrocarbons", U.S. Patent #3258500) was set to expire in 1979.
The ozone prediction was proved incorrect and modified to a 2%-4% depletion.
So the ozone hole is more intense when there is sunlight over the south pole then where then is darkness (i.e., the austral winter). The size of the hole also changes (in some years it stretches to lower latitudes as the hole size increases).
So what do we know now? As far as ozone depletion is concerned, the thinning of the ozone layer that occurred throughout the 1980s apparently stopped in the early 1990s,
Ozone: The Hole Truth
The international treaty to protect the ozone layer turns 20 this year. But is there really much reason to celebrate? Environmentalists have made numerous apocalyptic predictions over the past several decades, virtually none of which has come to pass. Yet each time, the greens and their...
www.heritage.org
It's the concern that an eroded ozone layer will allow more of the sun's damaging UVB rays to reach the earth that led to the Montreal Protocol. But WMO concedes that no statistically significant long-term trends have been detected
The parallels with global warming are striking. Again we face a real but greatly overhyped environmental problem. In both cases, virtually everything the public has been told that sounds terrifying isn't true -- and what is true isn't particularly terrifying
Now they say the ozone hole has closed... Really? Just in time for the cooling cycle as the cycle continues and we leave the heating cycle.. Perfect timing
I find it interesting that all these Climate guy cry wolf and when it doesnt happen they say " Man we did it, We was able to slow it down or stop it!! See it never happened"..
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So many people are afflicted with nostalgia. They want to 'put it back' to some past time that in truth really was not that great. Lead gas, segregation and DDT were not nice. I would rather get out front, doing actions that make things incrementally better. Yes I do things like eat beef. But infrequently and only local and free range. It tastes gamey. Unlike beef from a caged animal that has never seen daylight, is force fed, and cannot turnaround.
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Beginning to end this entire thread is a thinly veiled political barb haha! But I do agree things should be decided at the state level. I believe there is climate change with negative impact, however I don’t think anyone is willing to take the real steps needed to curtail emissions. So the last party wages on unabated. Just look at how many “green” people here own and operate an RV. And although China is the largest contributor to carbon dioxide emissions, anyone who suggests boycotting Chinese products is labeled as a xenophobic nationalist.
Japan will be fine with energy. It took a hit nuclear wise after the tsunami but that capacity is being restored. There’s also a great shift from natural gas to Australian coal and soon “Blue Hydrogen”. There’s a significant amount of hydroelectric power as well.
Actually Japanese beef is an export commodity now. Backfilled with Australian beef. Traditionally beef wasn’t an item on the table every week, it’s beginning to be that way again because of health, not supply. The only real problem we have with fishing stocks is specific to bluefin tuna and pacific saury, and overfishing by the Chinese in the Pacific. Personally I think higher prices are the best way to control fishing production and that really seems to be the case.
In order to control resources you have to control consumption. I am all for higher prices to do that. Especially higher rent
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From almost all perspectives, nothing is going to look like the last fifty (or even much like the last hundred and fifty) years ever again.
We are already living at one of those historic moments from History class, like the European discovery of the Americas, World War One, or the Moon landing.
This time it's all about population and consumption. Consider that the boomers were both the largest age cohort and the first generation growing up with household electricity. In history.
There were no Radios, TVs, or Internet before them, and few consumer goods available to buy, so there was little advertising, just print, posters, and such.
So for the first time we have a big population with advertising driven consumption habits and every bit of extra consumption requires more oil to both both make whatever is being consumed and drill for more oil.
So yeah, things will have to change, but we don't have to act as blindly as when oil was first found in Pennsylvania and Texas a century or more ago . Things could be much better or much worse in another century , but they'll be very different.
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