The Future of eBikes: How Fast is Too Fast?

Not all, just the organized groups that think they own the road / trail.
Let's just face it, it is hard for any organized group of cyclists to not completely hog whatever road or trail they are riding on. Best to do this activity in very small groups or solo.
 
How do you know what they think?

If you're riding along and a group passes you cleanly, are you upset because they are riding faster than you? If you're driving and approach a group that's 2-3 wide, does that irritate you, even though you can pass them cleanly?
 
Let's just face it, it is hard for any organized group of cyclists to not completely hog whatever road or trail they are riding on. Best to do this activity in very small groups or solo.
Best for you, I guess.

Let's face it, some of you hate spandex. :)
 
Best for you, I guess.

Let's face it, some of you hate spandex. :)
You jump to a lot of conclusions about how much spandex I might own and wear.

Based on my experience, inevitably in a larger group someone ignores or stretches the limits of courtesy to other people. And what happens then is that other members of the group see that person doing it and inevitably some more of them will do the same thing. I've seen this process over and over again in many group outdoor activities, not just cycling. What you end up with is that otherwise reasonable and conscientious people find themselves behaving in incredibly rude ways just because of group dynamics.
 
Mob rule can affect how a group is riding, but obnoxious riding is obnoxious riding. It doesn't matter what you are wearing or what you are riding.

A group of road riders can absolutely ride appropriately and share the road meaningfully without "completely hogging the road". They don't have to "ride in small groups or solo".
 
The roadie hate here is annoying. The irony is that the way many people here complain about roadies is pretty much exactly how many other user groups talk about ebikers. Entitled, shouldn't be on the trail, go too fast, etc etc.

I've been riding the local MUP for 23 years now. No group really owns the "worst group on the trail". Its human nature to notice bad behavior from groups you don't like and not notice or ignore bad behavior from groups you belong to.
 
As an eMTB/trail/road/SUV type rider I don't have a problem with any group per se. I do however have a problem with idiots and aholes. Those come in all colours, apparel, and choice of steed. Now that I think about it, that includes pedestrians and motorists... :)
 
You jump to a lot of conclusions about how much spandex I might own and wear.

Based on my experience, inevitably in a larger group someone ignores or stretches the limits of courtesy to other people. And what happens then is that other members of the group see that person doing it and inevitably some more of them will do the same thing. I've seen this process over and over again in many group outdoor activities, not just cycling. What you end up with is that otherwise reasonable and conscientious people find themselves behaving in incredibly rude ways just because of group dynamics.
I think it is called "Pack mentality".
 
First, responsible, courteous riders can ride and wear whatever they want in my book. They can pedal or not. Remember, every throttle-only or ghost-pedaling utility rider is a car not on the road.

As for spandex, I've come to see it as a very sensible choice and wear it now on every fitness ride — which most of my rides seem to turn into these days.

Won't bore you with my circuitous and reluctant route to spandex. Real-life benefits in my case:

1. Butt's no longer a ride-limiting factor, and pant seats no longer snag on my saddle nose when starting out.

2. Most of the year here, legs and especially knees work noticeably better when kept warm in tights, and there's never any restriction of motion.

3. A long-sleeved, quarter-zip jersey offers the most flexible temperature control I've found for this climate — which varies not just day to day, but also hour to hour and mile to mile.

4. Those 3 rear jersey pockets hold a lot of stuff. And that lets me minimize the accessory weight on my lightweight fitness ebike.

5. Air resistance is a formidable adversary above 5-10 mph. Streamlined clothing can noticeably reduce it.

6. High-vis tops and socks against black bottoms add a measure of traffic safety.

Bottom line: The roadies can't be wrong about everything.
 
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How do you know what they think?

If you're riding along and a group passes you cleanly, are you upset because they are riding faster than you? If you're driving and approach a group that's 2-3 wide, does that irritate you, even though you can pass them cleanly?
Not every group. Just the ones who ride 2 abreast on a 12' wide trail at 20+ mph and scream at you to get out of their way. Happens from time to time on several trails I ride.
 
I have always thought spandex was funny. I used to race my road bike in the 80's and 90's and never wore spandex and still kicked a$$.
Because back then, we wore wool shorts with real leather chamois and wool jerseys. Ask me how I know.
 
I ride in expensive Assos bibs because that's what I trained and raced in for quite a long time. They're not the best fit for the e-bike, even though I'm riding it for fitness. I'm going to try MTB trail shorts just to see if I like them. Right now I wear a spandex jersey for the pockets. I haven't figured out a water bottle setup yet. I'll probably never ride in a t-shirt though. I can't stand the flapping.
 
Not every group. Just the ones who ride 2 abreast on a 12' wide trail at 20+ mph and scream at you to get out of their way. Happens from time to time on several trails I ride.
I see that kind of roadie behavior here sometimes. Ebikers seem less likely to block the road or hog an entire MUP but can be reckless jerks in other ways.

Seems like we could all agree that every cycling style — and sport for that matter — has its jerks and yahoos and unite around the joy and utility of cycling in spite of them. We'd have a lot more clout together.

Jeep marketers came up with the "Jeep wave" a few years back. The idea was to promote a brother/sisterhood of Jeep owners by harnessing the warm feeling a friendly wave from a stranger can bring.

No idea if it actually increased Jeep sales, but a friendly wave and smile to our non-jerk fellow cyclists of all stripes costs nothing and couldn't hurt.
 
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Jeep marketers came up with the "Jeep wave" a few years back. The idea was to promote a brother/sisterhood of Jeep owners by harnessing the warm feeling a friendly wave from a stranger can bring.
That dates back to the 1980s at least, and it didn't originate with Jeep marketers; they just capitalized what Jeep drivers (real Jeeps; not Jeep SUVs) were already doing. Motorcycles, too. Don't even get me started on Jeeps and ducks...

The only synthetic clothing I own or am likely to own is a couple of windbreakers, a Goretex rain jacket and a couple of fleece vests. While I recognize the technical advantages of spandex cycling gear for hardcore riders, it's just not me. For most riders, it seems more a of a statement, like a red ball cap in a very different crowd.
 
For most riders, it seems more a of a statement
That's what I thought, too. But if you do any fitness riding to speak of, spandex starts to make pretty good sense — especially in a climate like mine.

Wouldn't do spandex if it didn't. For one thing, black tights only make my birds legs look skinnier.

I don't go for the jerseys with all the sponsor logos, just solid hi-vis colors for safety. But if fantasizing about riding in the Tour de France adds joy to someone else's riding, I say go for it. After all, bikes are first and foremost joy machines.
 
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