tale of a Charger GX Rohloff...

One other thing on the Rohloff I noticed. You need to pause a tiny bit longer than on a non e-bike to give the motor time to shut off. In general unless you are really cranking up a stupid-steep hill it isn't difficult or much of a problem to shift down.

The only catch, as someone (I think Dimitri) noticed is that it is really a 2x7 and you need to give it more time when shifting between 7 and 8 or 8 and 7.
 
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294 miles in ten days...

That's a lot of miles in a short time. In Court's video review of the bike, he mentions the Rohloff takes a few hundred miles to break-in. Are you noticing any differences?

What's your take on the Thudbuster combined with the Brooks. I've solely been a BodyFloat user but for another bike I have the Thudbuster on order.
 
That's a lot of miles in a short time. In Court's video review of the bike, he mentions the Rohloff takes a few hundred miles to break-in. Are you noticing any differences?

What's your take on the Thudbuster combined with the Brooks. I've solely been a BodyFloat user but for another bike I have the Thudbuster on order.

I don't know if it is me getting the right reflexes for the Rohloff+Bosch CX or it is breaking in, but I've noticed that shifting at speed (over 6-8mph) is becoming much quicker and quieter.

I like the Thudbuster in the sense that I don't really notice it. But my back isn't sore after 60 miles of riding. At some point I'll want to experiment with different elastomers. The last couple of days have been long hard days with higher temperatures (around 80-85 today) and substantial headwinds which has been a little rough with respect to breaking in the saddle.

My original itinerary planned for tomorrow to be about a 90km day with around 1700m of elevation gain. Besides from being gonzo stupid abusive I have my doubts I'll make the day on one complete charge. The higher temperatures we are having right now aren't helping with respect to battery life either. But the scenery is beautiful and there are numerous cool places to explore so I am likely to slightly rethink my travel plans.
 
Okay, the bike is at about 560 miles. I'm tired. But it was a great trip!

A few things I learned:

(1) E-bike touring is a thing.

(2) I took too much stuff. The Swift Panniers are beautiful and I love them but they are cavernously roomy and I need to be careful to not overpack. As it was I took a bunch of camera gear that I didn't use and camping gear that I only used a couple of nights and never really needed. I'd consider buying smaller panniers if I were doing it all over again.

(3) I need to get much better at field-expedient chain cleaning which between dusty gravel rides and dusty highway shoulders needed to be done about twice as often as I managed to do.

(4) The Charger is a conspicuous bike. People notice it. People check it out. It makes me even more nervous than I otherwise would be about the security of the bike . That's one reason I'll probably nix camping out on future solo bike tours (even though, all other things being equal, I'd rather camp).

(5) BC Ferries are way more awesome in every respect than Washington State Ferries. One reason is that nearly all BC ferries have bike racks. Another is that BC ferries serve decent food.

(6) I need to figure out how to carry more water. Three bottles (a little over 2L) was just barely adequate for some of the harder days, and on one of those days there weren't any good re-watering options until the last four or five miles.

(7) The tires on the Charger are on tight. I'm concerned that if I had to fix a flat along a highway shoulder somewhere in the middle of nowhere I might not be able to get the tire off. And I'm very nervous about wrecking those fancy carbon fiber rims.
 
Okay, the bike is at about 560 miles. ...

(3) I need to get much better at field-expedient chain cleaning which between dusty gravel rides and dusty highway shoulders needed to be done about twice as often as I managed to do.

(4) The Charger is a conspicuous bike. People notice it. People check it out. It makes me even more nervous than I otherwise would be about the security of the bike . That's one reason I'll probably nix camping out on future solo bike tours (even though, all other things being equal, I'd rather camp).

(7) The tires on the Charger are on tight. I'm concerned that if I had to fix a flat along a highway shoulder somewhere in the middle of nowhere I might not be able to get the tire off. And I'm very nervous about wrecking those fancy carbon fiber rims.

Great account of some e-bike touring. Do you think the Chainglider would have helped keep that chain clean? I recall that you had removed it on advice of the bike shop. The rims are carbon? I wasn't aware of that. They are the Alex MD 40s?
 
Great account of some e-bike touring. Do you think the Chainglider would have helped keep that chain clean? I recall that you had removed it on advice of the bike shop. The rims are carbon? I wasn't aware of that. They are the Alex MD 40s?

I guess the rims are aluminum. The wheels are scary light to me but seem very solid. Again, I'd hate to break them.

I don't think having the Chainglider in place would have helped much. My bike is very dirty at the moment and that would just be another place dirt would accumulate that would be a pain to clean.

My usual technique for field-cleaning the chain would be to first find a gas station and use their blue shop towels (that you usually use to clean windshields and mirrors) to clean the chain as best I could, then add lubricant generously, then pedal he bike around two rotations, apply more lubricant, pedal the bike again, then wipe down any excess on the chain.
 
Back home finally. Had G&O check the bike out (I hadn't broken anything too serious) and give it a thorough cleaning.

Anyway, if I were to rate this bike (which I think is an awesome bike) the ratings would be something like the following:

As a touring/bikepacking/adventure bike: A, with caveats.

As a mountain bike: B+, with caveats.

As a city commuter: C-.

As far as touring goes, this is an excellent bike and you would be hard-pressed to do better. The stability of the bike, the Rohloff hub, and the legs that the dual-battery system gives you makes this bike hard to beat. The two caveats I have are that the hydraulic brake system, while excellent, isn't exactly field-repairable or field-maintainable which could be an issue on longer unsupported tours. The other caveat is I think the bike would be a better touring rig with a better rear rack and I think they need to rethink that front rack. Either a tombstone-style front rack or a Sherpa-style front rack would have been more functional choices (apparently some folks are using this rack with the Charger). As it is the existing front rack is mainly a very heavy headlight mount.

With respect to mountain biking, I give it a B because I suspect that the stability of the bike might come back to haunt you if you really needed to be nimble. One of the things I think is a little weird about the Charger GX is on the one hand you have very high-end bike with no compromise on components and an awesome frame but as a mountain bike it feels a little like a starter bike and not likely to be a super satisfying ride for an advanced trail rider. I've only ridden it about a half-dozen miles on trails as opposed to over five hundred miles on gravel and pavement so this whole paragraph is a little bit of weak tea.

On the city commuter, my personal opinion is that this bike is too conspicuous to be ridden in a city for very long without being stolen. The other thing is that the leather seat, while reasonably comfortable when broken in, is likely to be incompatible with street clothes which limits the Charger's utility in the city.

Then there are the pet peeves. Most of these are of the form, "this is a $7500 bike, it seems cheesy that you couldn't also do X for a little extra".

(1) Since the bikes are custom-made to order, I think it reasonable to have the option to engrave the owner's name on the frame for a reasonable price.

(2) Similarly, the purchaser should have the option of custom colors or color schemes. Other high-end bike manufacturers offer a wide variety of paint options.

(3) R&M should optionally sell the bike without touch points (seat, pedals, grips) because an experienced cyclist (and I think this bike really only shines with an experienced cyclist riding it) will have their own preferences.

(4) This is more of a Bosch thing, but it would be a big improvement if there was a "boost" button that put the drive system in "Turbo" mode for 30 seconds.

(5) Since the "tubes" are oddly shaped, R&M should partner with someone to provide small frame bags or top tube bags for their frames.

(6) Another Bosch thing: with the dual batteries when charging one battery fully charges, then the other. If you are trying to extend battery life by keeping the batteries in the 20-80 percent range you'll be taking them off the frame to charge.

(7) I'd consider having a slightly lower gearing option (like one extra tooth in the rear sprocket on the Rohloff) for a trail bike and maybe a slightly higher gearing option (e.g. one fewer teeth in the rear sprocket) for use with the HS bike.

(8) This is a $7500 bike with built-in lights but there isn't a built-in blinky? Apparently they are illegal in the EU but still. Jesus.
 
Well, Mr. C, I am following in your footsteps:

https://electricbikereview.com/foru...r-gx-hs-rohloff-chronicles.24062/#post-149063

I think you have the CX motor whereas I'm purchasing the Speed motor. Apart from that same color and dual battery. That's why I've been peppering you with questions in your thread.

I'm hoping the bike works better than a C- for a city commuter as that will be its primary job. For one I came to the conclusion that a Rohloff for commuting makes sense in that I want the bike to be ready to go every day and not have to stop and frequently clean a drive train. As far as security: my Charger was probably just as attention-getting and so far (knock on wood) no one has messed with it. And I haven't been bike-jacked as I pass the liquor and lotto at 6am. So hoping I can continue my multiple lock and vigilant bike checking strategy and keep this one from being stolen too. Oh, and for sure its replacing my Charger on the Velosurance policy just in case. Anyway, hope to read more of your experience as you break-in that Rohloff. Its definitely helped me to read your posts about the saddle treatments and the bike in general. Thanks.
 
@Over50 , I hope that works out well for you.

For me, I'd be a nervous wreck taking that bike to a grocery store in Seattle. One "advantage" of the Charger is that it is so damned heavy that if you immobilized both wheels it would be a challenge for even two people to carry it very far.
 
I discovered a very important feature of the Rohloff hub yesterday: if your pedals are at 12 o'clock and 6 o'clock you are putting exactly zero torque into the drive system. So if you very carefully time your shifts you can shift pretty effortlessly without "stopping" your pedaling. This take a bit of practice (kind of like power-shifting an old Volkswagen) but it can make the shifting process much easier if you master this trick.

Oh, and a few more pet peeves:

(9) There should be bottle cage bidons on the down tube. Not for a bottle but for a pump. That way you could put all your other bike tools in that small frame bag.

(10) The ABUS lock and rear rack to some extent will make it difficult to mount a really big saddle bag or even a smaller one, and might even be problematic for a seat twinkie.

(11) This is a bit heretical, but R&M ought to consider a straight-up touring/adventure/bikepacking Charger without a front suspension fork. This would make the front racking problem easier. I'd also like them to consider a suspension stem and three-bolt bidons on the fork with that model.
 
@Mr. Coffee or @Alaskan. I know there were some comments in one of these R&M threads about Racktime bags. I am thinking of ordering these for the Charger GX (Racktime Heda). I wanted to try out the one piece, double pannier design with the carrying handle. I have no doubt about it fitting into the Racktime rack but had more doubts about the lower mount which appears to be a leather or fabric strap. The Charger GX rear rack isn't uniform on both sides and not sure if the lower strap will find a good place to secure the bag to keep it from flopping. Was wondering if you've tried any of these Racktime panniers? There is one US website that has this model available:

https://www.racktime.com/en/racktime-products/system-bags/racktime-product/heda/
 
@Over50 ,

I haven't tried that pannier.

Yes, it is challenging attaching any pannier securely to the Charger rear rack. I finally made a pair of loops with cable ties that gave the hook on my swift panniers a place to grab. The only problem now is that the beefy aluminum hooks on the swift panniers are scratching away the electrical tape that I put on the rack to protect it from those beefy aluminum hooks. I am going to experiment with a short piece of surgical tubing over the hooks and see how that works.

In general after the tape and cable ties the panniers were extremely secure. They never rattled and only showed a slight tendency to slide forward (about an inch) over the course of a day.
 
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