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[edobici_forza]

So how does that 10 lb weight difference actually manifest while riding? Do you notice it more in handling and responsiveness, or in climbing? How about with both bikes in OFF?

I'll share a spreadsheet that might be of interest shortly. It estimates power losses and rider power requirements for 3 cases — my 38 lb SL as ridden, then the same bike with first 5 kg and then 10 kg magically removed. No other changes.

Sneak preview: A 10 kg weight difference affects rider power requirements less than you might think — even in climbing.

I don't know. but I feel the extra weight under me in responsiveness. I have been riding stronger than ever so I am out of the saddle and pumping up some inclines with low power. The baseline 31lb bike feels great. Doing the same, loaded with RE battery and water and rack+bag is noticeable. Not terrible. but noticeable. Then when I ride my 19lb Hakka it feels like a feather!

 

[fooferdoggie]

Good to hear you're putting that behind you!

ya its better watching my HR compared to the effort has really let me know how I am doing.

 

[edobici_forza]

I've never seen that side by side bottle cage set up before. Ingenious with a range extender. My Vado SL has bosses under the top tube so I've a cage there, but it always feels a bit weird, the bottle being upside down.

Re the weight; I'm guessing the water and RE account for a lot of the extra weight. Dread to think what my Vado is when equally saddled up, it's base is around 37lbs.

@Rás Cnoic, I installed the Wolf Tooth side by side adapter the night before the ride. Wolf Tooth is awesome... they have so many good ideas. I already had the B-Rad 2 base to allow my water bottle to move down so I could fit a frame bag on my Hakka. So this side by side adapter was added to that, but you do not need the B-rad but I wanted to move the bottles a little higher.
The big question ... Don't you hit the bottles when pedaling? No. They are not in the way. I do brush the bottles with my knees, on rare occasion when dismounting or very technical riding. but it has not been a problem.

 

[edobici_forza]

Pretty Pinarello Prince. The owner keeps it up well.

Inquiring minds...

 

[Rás Cnoic]

@Rás Cnoic, I installed the Wolf Tooth side by side adapter the night before the ride. Wolf Tooth is awesome... they have so many good ideas. I already had the B-Rad 2 base to allow my water bottle to move down so I could fit a frame bag on my Hakka. So this side by side adapter was added to that, but you do not need the B-rad but I wanted to move the bottles a little higher.
The big question ... Don't you hit the bottles when pedaling? No. They are not in the way. I do brush the bottles with my knees, on rare occasion when dismounting or very technical riding. but it has not been a problem.

Thanks, I'll keep an eye out for it.

 

[DaveMatthews]

You know what sucks?

No Dave... what sucks?

Decent riding weather but not feeling up to it. THAT'S what sucks...

Yeah... that sucks.

 

[Art Deco]

Thank you! There is a strong likelihood that my final words will be some kind of pun...

An internet legend says that Rodney Dangerfield's tombstone says " There goes the neighborhood ". That's hard to top, but you can do it, Dave ... in 20 or more years, please.

 

[DaveMatthews]

An internet legend says that Rodney Dangerfield's tombstone says " There goes the neighborhood ". That's hard to top, but you can do it, Dave ... in 20 or more years, please.

How about:
Everywhere I go, my neighbors are complaining...
Nah...

 

[Chargeride]

We are in April showers, all this climate change science has everyone presuming normal weather is the wrath of the gods.

 

[McApple]

Rain here as well. We're currently on flood watch, the river in front of the cabin has risen 8' in the past week. We still have 5+' of freeboard, but with rain in the forecast for the next 4 days, there is some concern. I will spend today plugging the two culverts which go under out flood berms, and install pumps to get rid of the water that will collect behind the berms.

 

[Chargeride]

Woohooo!

Temperatures to rise as Met Office says ‘super El Niño’ weather event is brewing

Forecasters suggest a brewing El Niño weather event could intensify global warmth over the next year or so

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

We are in April showers, all this climate change science has everyone presuming normal weather is the wrath of the gods.

Spent my whole life in science and science-based work and have great respect for what scientists do. They should do more public outreach regarding their methods and results, but no amount of outreach can prevent silly or self-serving interpretations of what they've found.

Richard Feynman, the greatest 20th century physicist after Einstein, summed up science as "what we do to keep from fooling ourvelves." Given how easily we fool ourselves — or let others do it for us — sounds like a worthwhile endeavor to me.

Science is all about evidence — evidence reliability, what available credible evidence does and does not logically support, and what evidence to go after next. It's also about willingness to be proven wrong.

When new credible evidence comes in, true scientists change their thinking accordingly. Contrast that with what politicians and religious leaders and other ideologues and propagandists do.

Science isn't perfect and doesn't claim to be. Humans are still involved. But it's still our best path to the info needed to conduct ourselves in an increasingly complex and dangerous world.

 

[Chargeride]

Yes, the actual scientists warn us not to listen to anything that comes through the media or politicians.
They repeat this endlessly, but still... press releases and all.

 

[stompandgo]

Yes, the actual scientists warn us not to listen to anything that comes through the media or politicians.
They repeat this endlessly, but still... press releases and all.

Without politicians and taxpayers, there would be no science, so....

 

[Chargeride]

My 'effects of beer on Fly flight characteristics' experiments were completely self funded

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

I have recently been experimenting with the Micro Mode. my last ride I was at 10% for a majority. and some OFF, on the pure downhills as well. So cool to be flexible!

Thanks again for reminding me about MicroTune. Used it on today's Wednesday morning group road ride for the fine assist control. My top priority on these rides is to keep up with the least possible assist, and MicroTune really helped me dial that in.

Really wasn't feeling up to the ride this morning but figured, best just go and use as much assist as it takes. Keeping up definitely took more assist than usual this time, and boy am I whipped!

But still glad I went. Absolutely gorgeous weather right now!

However, the 4 miles of Racho Santa Fe Road in the loop's SW quadrant is one stretch of road I won't be riding again! Zero bike infrastructure, little usable shoulder, high traffic, segments of twisty two-lane with blind curves, few places for cars to pass safely, and lots of side streets and stop signs — what's not to hate?

Group rides usually avoid crap like that. But we get a link to the RideWithGPS route by email a few days ahead. Next time I see it coming, I'll plan to peel off beforehand, maybe to rejoin somewhere on the other side.

Or maybe just sleep in. I have coffee and pastries at home.

 

[DaveMatthews]

Thanks again for reminding me about MicroTune. Used it on today's Wednesday morning group road ride for the fine assist control. My top priority on these rides is to keep up with the least possible assist, and MicroTune really helped me dial that in.

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Really wasn't feeling up to the ride this morning but figured, best just go and use as much assist as it takes. Keeping up definitely took more assist than usual this time, and boy am I whipped!

But still glad I went. Absolutely gorgeous weather right now!

However, the 4 miles of Racho Santa Fe Road in the loop's SW quadrant is one stretch of road I won't be riding again! Zero bike infrastructure, little usable shoulder, high traffic, segments of twisty two-lane with blind curves, few places for cars to pass safely, and lots of side streets and stop signs — what's not to hate?

Group rides usually avoid crap like that. But we get a link to the RideWithGPS route by email a few days ahead. Next time I see it coming, I'll plan to peel off beforehand, maybe to rejoin somewhere on the other side.

Or maybe just sleep in. I have coffee and pastries at home.

Can't blame you for not liking certain routes. I very much avoid them, or try to.

 

[Jeremy McCreary]

Can't blame you for not liking certain routes. I very much avoid them, or try to.

Me, too. We're blessed with soooo much good bike infrastructure here. No sane reason to ride that stretch of Rancho Santa Fe.

 

[DaveMatthews]

Me, too. We're blessed with soooo much good bike infrastructure here. No sane reason to ride that stretch of Rancho Santa Fe.

Any idea why that route was chosen, or by whom?

 

[Chargeride]

Me, too. We're blessed with soooo much good bike infrastructure here. No sane reason to ride that stretch of Rancho Santa Fe.

Less you let them steers find their trail, then you packing with them pardner