Feliz
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I've attached a Grin to bikes when required the same way I attach controllers, Velcro and zip ties.
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I've attached a Grin to bikes when required the same way I attach controllers, Velcro and zip ties.
Feliz
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Thomas, i really appreciate sharing all this valuable info anD advice. I’ve learned for the past 2years and continuing to learn about The universe of ebiking....there are many galaxies here
I was trying to send you a PM, but couldn’t find the way how to...
So, I would need to find or source any XT 60/90 / Rosenberg/XLR 4pins or common connectors to the one that’s made FOR the BH.
OR can just cut the cable of the BH charger (the one going into the ebike charging port) and splice it into the end of the XLR to XT 60 adapter.
Meaning from XT60 it will connect to my cable using an XT90. Or is it XT90 to XT60 ? A little lost throughout the connectors world.
Is that correct that last idea ?
XT90 handles current better and are available anywhere. I'm hesitant to cut fittings from OEM chargers in the event I sell the bike and want to pass the original charger to the purchaser.
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Calm down. I didn't say the two were equal in terms of features or function. I said the Luna chargers can provide the same battery life extending charge - which is simply not charging to completely full.
Whether you believe that charging at high rates to 80% doubles the cycle life of a battery (and cycle life has a specific meaning which is not the number of 80% charges), or whether 90% is the sweet spot (as Tesla has published), both chargers can accomplish that. Sure, the satiator has other advantages, but for many it's not worth 3X the cost. I'm glad it exists that there's a market for it, but that doesn't mean it's right for everyone or even most.
Ebiker01
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The barrel is a common connector on many batteries. Apparetntly not yours...
You bought a XLR to some connector, with the Satiator? I have one with Anderson connectors. SO I create an adapter. Anderson Powerpole to whatever the battery port is. If Ihad the pictures XLR to XT60 I'd create a XT 60 to the appropriate battery input.
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Apparently the one this brand -BH ,is using , is this one :
(Link Removed - No Longer Exists)Is model 2CT3016 or 2CT3020 with 4pins.
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So, i would need an XT90 or Anderson or Other connector to An 2CT3016 which looks like it’s impossible to find. I did some google searches and on some websites selling connectors.
Can order that cable with the 2CT3016/3020 connector and then have it soldered to an XT90. Or take apart the OEM charger and use the cable. It’s 25$ on alixpress and 135$ on scootereti or other Us sites.
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Hey Felix:
at $300 most people could buy an extra battery...
a good slow charge is what you want for longevity ..trickle
fast charge is nice when one battery pack is all you own...I don't recommend..
it does not matter the style of pack, lead acid./lipo/lifepo4 batteries all like slow charges ..min temp increase.
I think you should have spent you're money on an extra battery// (but yes ..a bad/faulty charger can/will cost you money..)
just my 2 cents...
ooooppppp to the original poster..what voltage? 36. 48.. ...I have a bunch of 36 volts ...
ordered 2 bottle batteries from ebay// they sent me 10 ..with chargers...
at $300 most people could buy an extra battery...
a good slow charge is what you want for longevity ..trickle
fast charge is nice when one battery pack is all you own...I don't recommend..
it does not matter the style of pack, lead acid./lipo/lifepo4 batteries all like slow charges ..min temp increase.
I think you should have spent you're money on an extra battery// (but yes ..a bad/faulty charger can/will cost you money..)
just my 2 cents...
ooooppppp to the original poster..what voltage? 36. 48.. ...I have a bunch of 36 volts ...
ordered 2 bottle batteries from ebay// they sent me 10 ..with chargers...
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pushkar
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The Grin charger is programmable. You can create a many charging profiles as you need ..
My bikes ship with 3 profiles for a 52V battery pack as default
1. Charge at 4A till SOC 85% <-- this is what most everyone will use for overnight charging.
2. Charge at 4A till SOC 100% <-- if you are going for an extra long ride.
3. Supercharge at 7A till SOC 100% <-- long ride and are in a rush.
For my personal charger, I have added the following additional profiles on the same charger
1. Battery pack is rated at 36V - 4A till SOC 100%
2. Battery pack is rated at 48V, 4A till SOC 85%
Satiator is definitely pricey but you can really configure multiple profiles on it simultaneously.
Ebiker01
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Is like everything else, buy cheap quality and service get bad results.
With the 725Wh and 1kw pack that the new ebikes are coming with , the companies of course won’t include a Grin charger
, they will throw you a chinese 30$ junk of 2amps or lucky for some a 4amps that as a coincidence they will sell it for 125-150$ in the Us .
Wait 8-10hours to charge that 814wh pqck and stay uneducated.
In the meantime I have to see if i need to update the firmware on my 8amps Satiator.
Note- This 300$ charger is also made in China but to exact specs provided by quality engineers.
Even on aliexpressot straight out of A Shenzen factory it would be at least 150$ on parts and specs alone.
With the 725Wh and 1kw pack that the new ebikes are coming with , the companies of course won’t include a Grin charger
, they will throw you a chinese 30$ junk of 2amps or lucky for some a 4amps that as a coincidence they will sell it for 125-150$ in the Us . Wait 8-10hours to charge that 814wh pqck and stay uneducated.
In the meantime I have to see if i need to update the firmware on my 8amps Satiator.
Note- This 300$ charger is also made in China but to exact specs provided by quality engineers.
Even on aliexpressot straight out of A Shenzen factory it would be at least 150$ on parts and specs alone.
the BMS does all the controller work in most battery systems.. and you guys are not normal with your extra large packs ...you do require more amps than most..yes....???
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_management_system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battery_management_system
Scott Adams
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just a comment on connectors since they are coming up in this thread...
in the case where a battery is being plugged into a controller the XT90-S is a good choice
or, if you see a spark when making a connection, that is a sure sign an XT90-S should be used
a built in 5-6 ohm resistor slows the inrush current to capacitors but is paralleled / out of circuit when fully plugged in
in the case where a battery is being plugged into a controller the XT90-S is a good choice
or, if you see a spark when making a connection, that is a sure sign an XT90-S should be used
a built in 5-6 ohm resistor slows the inrush current to capacitors but is paralleled / out of circuit when fully plugged in
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You can use two of these to mount the Satiator to your frame. Use one screw in each to hold the ends of the charger.
Secure, easily removable and reusable.
tomjasz
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Most packs aftermarket have low end BMS. $8-$12 with limited functionality. How else to get a battery for $300? Cheap steel connections, grade B batteries and a 2 bit BMS. I'd say 17Ah and larger battery packs sell at 3 times the rate of 10-13Ah. You're just not seeing the actual market.
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Interestingly, at least to me is that plugging my charger into the battery when the charger isn't powered and plugged into to the outlet, I get a spark. Now always plugging the charger into the power grid first it never sparks. This is with inexpensive fanless chargers. and slightly more expensive fan cooled chargers. 3 year warranty sold me on Grin. Chargers, in my experience, are the most often faced component inn eBike system whether OEM or kit.
"You're just not seeing the actual market"..... the actual market ..what is that...someone spending the same price for a gas scooter/ someone who owns a car/ My dad had 2 bike shops back in the 70's when I was growing up.. and one thing can tell you "in the USA the car is king".. cars will let you know this if you hit the road .. if you want an electric motorcycle they are now available .. but a motorized bike is still frowned on by purest...and many states the motor can not be on when on sidewalks... in most cases the ebike is limited to 20 mph and about an hour of ride time on a single battery is common.. the ebike is nothing new. batteries /gas motors for bikes nothing new..
I do feel for anyone who has to make a living in bicycles "it is a labor of love"...but when your ebike goes fast .. it does becomes a motorcycle at some point according to the laws of FL.
the actual market does not want to spend $5k on a good ebike... $2k is a stretch for many..and when they don't get an extra batteries they get disappointed... that's the actual market..
just my 2 cents...
this is one of the ebikes major compeditor https://www.yamahamotorsports.com/scooter/models/vino-classic
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Ebiker01
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The scooter has nothing to do with an ebike.
That is an entirely Different market.
Why do you think the ebikes sales are growing yearly in US ?? And booming in Europe ?
They had scooters for an eternity , good lithium packs came in the market in 1998-2000.
If there wasn’t a market for ebikes, people would have bought scooters and you wouldn’t have ebikes selling like crazy for 5k or 10k. Or 2k.
Again, you are not up to the current flow amd news of the ebike world !
People buy them for exercise, just like a regular analog bike.
THe analog bike is becoming the norm to be an Ebike.
like I said..I know my way around a bike shop.. served my time... ...I would not want to make a living competing with big big box stores and keeping the lights on during the off season...
there are so many products to choose from for recreation/ transportation.. scooters ,and other gadgets are disposable in many cases...// I did bicycles n the 70's ..motorcycles in the 80's( AMI worked for Honda) If your in the bike business .. I hope you get rich,,,..73
there are so many products to choose from for recreation/ transportation.. scooters ,and other gadgets are disposable in many cases...// I did bicycles n the 70's ..motorcycles in the 80's( AMI worked for Honda) If your in the bike business .. I hope you get rich,,,..73
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Not at all clear on how this relates to riders wanting bigger batteries and more mileage. How many eBikes, kits, or batteries have you sold? That was the argument. You don’t see the market and the move to higher amps hour batteries. All good! You’re almost right. Some bike shops do achieve a level of wealth. But having kids soon gobbles up profits and probably sanity!
agreed .. this thread should be closed it went off the rails when someone wanted an affordable charger of unknown voltage and the first reply was a $300 charger....
I already have two batteries. I have two Chargers but one already died. They are not very much but one still works. Bike is new haven't used it much yet.
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