Quality Charger

agreed .. this thread should be closed it went off the rails when someone wanted an affordable charger of unknown voltage and the first reply was a $300 charger....
Jeez, affordable is based on its value to a customer. To you apparently not, but to many other ES an invaluable tool. Some of us aren’t nursing $300 batteries and see a return on our investments. All good just different values.
 
I already have two batteries. I have two Chargers but one already died. They are not very much but one still works. Bike is new haven't used it much yet.
Not unusual. Chargers were my worst nightmare working for one kit and battery seller. The most service calls ever on a single product, period. I spent $250 on chargers before a Satiator. I’ve only spent $20 on two cheap fanless as emergency backups since. So it’s now been 4 years and it still charges 3 different voltage batteries at programmed levels. for a serious rider whose invested significant dollars it’s a great value.
 
I already have two batteries. I have two Chargers but one already died. They are not very much but one still works. Bike is new haven't used it much yet.
my question was the voltage.. 36- 48.. I don't think you mentioned it... and double check the one you think is dead,,sometimes cheap switching power supplies are touchy (try plugging battery into charger , then powering up power supply. ) ...( I have seen some new switching supplies that are DOA / off specs, and some RF noisy..)


also want to mention that if you have a bms that will not kick in ..battery pack may be far below it's low voltage..and you may need to bypass the BMS... sometimes you can trick it,,you have a second charger..so that easy to check.. but some may not ... a multi meter is handy to have around..
73 (best regards)
oojoe
 
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agreed .. this thread should be closed it went off the rails when someone wanted an affordable charger of unknown voltage and the first reply was a $300 charger....

"affordable" is a relative term. I've already had two factory chargers fail, one of which overheated and almost caught fire. At $79 each, it won't be long before the $300 Grin Satiator will pay for itself.
 
Hey Felix:
at $300 most people could buy an extra battery...
a good slow charge is what you want for longevity ..trickle
fast charge is nice when one battery pack is all you own...I don't recommend..
it does not matter the style of pack, lead acid./lipo/lifepo4 batteries all like slow charges ..min temp increase.
I think you should have spent you're money on an extra battery// (but yes ..a bad/faulty charger can/will cost you money..)
just my 2 cents...


ooooppppp to the original poster..what voltage? 36. 48.. ...I have a bunch of 36 volts ...
ordered 2 bottle batteries from ebay// they sent me 10 ..with chargers...

What are you recommending to me and what is your experience to recommend anything to anyone? Giving people wrong or bad advice isn't cool.
 
What are you recommending to me and what is your experience to recommend anything to anyone? Giving people wrong or bad advice isn't cool.
lets agree to""just stop..."""Giving people wrong or bad advice"" " I have much experience ,,I worked in a few bike shops, motorcycle shops, I have knowledge of electronics and computing.. ..If you think 300 is not high end for a transformer excuse me... Like I said the BMS does all the heavy lifting ,, and yes I could get a charger for 700 ...the fact is a slower charge is better and you don't need a $300 charger for that... for most consumer battery packs.....Look I don't want to debate.. so lets agree to just stop. Giving people wrong or bad advice as you say...
Look you never even asked what voltage he was running.. he could have been running 6-12-24-72- 96-120- 240...we still don't know... ..
 
Like I said the BMS does all the heavy lifting
Well indeed a BMS MIGHT provide SOME of the functions, but all that experience isn't coming into play in this thread.
You're arguing about a charger that just may be outside of your understanding, and assuming all BMS are created equal is actually kinda scary.
I don't want to debate.
Great, but you can expect that there will be times when someone will call out misinformation. There are a lot of great folks new to eBikes here. FeliZ and others have DECADES, like 5 or 6 decades (50-60 years) of experience on two wheels. Several here are also engineers, well beyond my skill set. As I wrote above, implying and in your case claiming a BMS is the end all in battery management is actually DANGEROUS BTW.I have a couple of BMS in my repair/build/spares box

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Well indeed a BMS MIGHT provide SOME of the functions, but all that experience isn't coming into play in this thread.
You're arguing about a charger that just may be outside of your understanding, and assuming all BMS are created equal is actually kinda scary.

Great, but you can expect that there will be times when someone will call out misinformation. There are a lot of great folks new to eBikes here. FeliZ and others have DECADES, like 5 or 6 decades (50-60 years) of experience on two wheels. Several here are also engineers, well beyond my skill set. As I wrote above, implying and in your case claiming a BMS is the end all in battery management is actually DANGEROUS BTW.I have a couple of BMS in my repair/build/spares box

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that's a nice collection of bms's ... they must be important..for you to amass such a collection..
and your right.. china specs on those those bms's.. all over the place.. .DANGEROUS BTW ...not knowing the voltage maybe????,,and recommending a charger of the wrong voltage..
 
that's a nice collection of bms's ... they must be important..for you to amass such a collection..
and your right.. china specs on those those bms's.. all over the place.. .DANGEROUS BTW ...not knowing the voltage maybe????,,and recommending a charger of the wrong voltage..
The Grin charger is programmable and I charge 24 36 48 and 52v batteries with one charger. Those Kingpan from Luna have high failure rates. I used to cringe every time I got a support case. And they were a daily event. I use $10 AliExpress fanless as backup chargers.
 
There should be a beginners forum new members have to participate in, there's a few guys like this one on here you know who they are. If he can't figure out the value of a Satiator and recognize they're capable of charging all the common voltages maybe he should stay in his parent's basement. I understand your frustration with this forum sometimes. I've considered migrating over to Endless Sphere but then you wouldn't be there and the forum wouldn't be the same without you. You're still the most knowledgeable poster on here, kudos for your patience.

Wayne
Most days I find this the kinder gentler forum. A core of curmudgeons willing to share and assist. All out of passion from the day we took the first EBike cruise. If you moved to ES you’d quickly discover I barely know sh*t from Shinola. What I do have is a passion for reading and the self funded, “TJ tries every style of kit.” Scores of mistakes, miles of learning the differences and the outcome a fascination with eBikes,
 
I agree, I enjoy the technical and engineering aspect of ES but as you say, it's no fun. I try and help people here if I can but I honestly think there's a lot of kids on here who'll read something on a newscast, magazine, or website and then come here and regurgitate it like they have a masters in eBikes.
 
I agree, I enjoy the technical and engineering aspect of ES but as you say, it's no fun. I try and help people here if I can but I honestly think there's a lot of kids on here who'll read something on a newscast, magazine, or website and then come here and regurgitate it like they have a masters in eBikes.

I appreciate their sharing links they have found. Heck, there's always something new. But I get rattled when I perceive the advice being extrapolated is shallow or at it's worst, dangerous.

Fact, with data and peer review? Or, anecdote from a nom de plume on a forum.

I dare say some of my favorite people here (adults) are nearly my opposite when discussing anything but eBikes. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree on inflammatory subjects like helmets but are typically here to learn and share. Well you and I already know it all, but we need to bring up the rest....
 
Here’s all someone’s would need to known about why the Satiator is worth image.jpgimage.jpgimage.jpg 300$ .
They say a picture is worth 1000 words.


So, in 39minutes the battery got 200wh , or 4.2Ah.

I started from 10% , and it is already at 55-60%.

A 48/11.6ah charging at 6.2amps. Apparently that is the max. Due to the amps of the battery or Bms blocking it for higher amps.
From what i read and what Grin said it would do half of the battery amps.
So that is exactly what it does.

CAn your charger show :
-battery temp.

-amps/wh charged

- download all data via Usb

- voltage graph

No. So, stop debating it and either buy it or use the 30$ one. Is okay to be brainwashed. That’s why there is ebr , to learn from others...


And i just finished typing so here’s how much extra it charged :image.jpgimage.jpg


So, while i made this post another 44wh added to the battery bank account😉.

Q for the experts used with the Grin charger:

What does the “watts number value” on top left side symbolize ? It shows 332 watts now (about 64% battery on the display) the battery is a 605wh with about 300cycles on it .

It can’t be how much it was charged . Or how much is left either....
 

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I appreciate their sharing links they have found. Heck, there's always something new. But I get rattled when I perceive the advice being extrapolated is shallow or at it's worst, dangerous.

Fact, with data and peer review? Or, anecdote from a nom de plume on a forum.

I dare say some of my favorite people here (adults) are nearly my opposite when discussing anything but eBikes. Sometimes we have to agree to disagree on inflammatory subjects like helmets but are typically here to learn and share. Well you and I already know it all, but we need to bring up the rest....

Yes, you and I came to an understand some time age, I'm always right and you're wrong.

Im surprised at the power of this forum, far more people come here just to read up on certain issues than there are posting. I've been inundated with people, mostly none members, who read the Watt Wagon SuperCommuter Pro threads and knowing I'm an owner are asking me if I can recommend the bike to them. I try and avoid it but rather I just tell them my experience and they can make a decision. I probably average one interested person a day now.

Are you serious about buying a ready made mid drive?
 
Yes, you and I came to an understand some time age, I'm always right and you're wrong.

Im surprised at the power of this forum, far more people come here just to read up on certain issues than there are posting. I've been inundated with people, mostly none members, who read the Watt Wagon SuperCommuter Pro threads and knowing I'm an owner are asking me if I can recommend the bike to them. I try and avoid it but rather I just tell them my experience and they can make a decision. I probably average one interested person a day now.

Are you serious about buying a ready made mid drive?
yes, I want to find a flat foot frame with a motor I’m curious about. The Yamaha. I’m unable to ride conventional frames. Limiting my choices
 
Yes, you and I came to an understand some time age, I'm always right and you're wrong.

Im surprised at the power of this forum, far more people come here just to read up on certain issues than there are posting. I've been inundated with people, mostly none members, who read the Watt Wagon SuperCommuter Pro threads and knowing I'm an owner are asking me if I can recommend the bike to them. I try and avoid it but rather I just tell them my experience and they can make a decision. I probably average one interested person a day now.

Are you serious about buying a ready made mid drive?

@Feliz you have been instrumental in helping me fix some of the initial nagging build issues. Particularly the Rohloff wiring. Thanks to you I was able to isolate what I was doing wrong and have since significantly improved my ability to build and deliver quality bikes.

Some of my customers have told me that you have been very honest with them, and I have a great story to tell about my learnings since then. Thank you for helping, being honest, and most importantly providing constructive feedback. I could not have grown as much without some fairly brutal feedback at the very beginning :)

Thankfully nearly everyone since the first time has been happy and has commended by ability to work with them on building a much better bike.
Thanks again.
 
@Feliz you have been instrumental in helping me fix some of the initial nagging build issues. Particularly the Rohloff wiring. Thanks to you I was able to isolate what I was doing wrong and have since significantly improved my ability to build and deliver quality bikes.

Some of my customers have told me that you have been very honest with them, and I have a great story to tell about my learnings since then. Thank you for helping, being honest, and most importantly providing constructive feedback. I could not have grown as much without some fairly brutal feedback at the very beginning :)

Thankfully nearly everyone since the first time has been happy and has commended by ability to work with them on building a much better bike.
Thanks again.

Hi Pushkar,

Wow, I just sent an email off to another potential customer, good luck with that. Well, one thing I always say is that you're a straight forward and HONEST business man, you kept your word with every part of our deal.
I also always make sure I tell anyone that I was one of if not the first purchaser. I ride the bike a lot and really enjoy it. The only issue I have now with the bike is I believe it isn't tuned properly or has a faulty torque sensor. When starting a ride I get no assistance at all until I've pedalled at least two complete revolutions, I like the assistance to come on quickly. With the nice summer I didn't want to spend time tuning the bike, I would rather be riding, but I will straighten it out this winter. If I'm leaving a light in traffic I just use the throttle for a quick start. I'm over 80 now and I've returned to mountain biking, let me know when you start producing one. Regards
 
Hi Pushkar,

Wow, I just sent an email off to another potential customer, good luck with that. Well, one thing I always say is that you're a straight forward and HONEST business man, you kept your word with every part of our deal.
I also always make sure I tell anyone that I was one of if not the first purchaser. I ride the bike a lot and really enjoy it. The only issue I have now with the bike is I believe it isn't tuned properly or has a faulty torque sensor. When starting a ride I get no assistance at all until I've pedalled at least two complete revolutions, I like the assistance to come on quickly. With the nice summer I didn't want to spend time tuning the bike, I would rather be riding, but I will straighten it out this winter. If I'm leaving a light in traffic I just use the throttle for a quick start. I'm over 80 now and I've returned to mountain biking, let me know when you start producing one. Regards

Those are some great words man. I appreciate it.

Also - can you please send me your motor serial number when you get a chance ? If you are not able to figure out the issue, I am happy to replace the motor. I remember you had an upgraded / unlocked motor. 😊
 
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