Open Letter to Specialized

dynamic

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I have had an alarming experience with specialized. I am hoping specialized sees this and responds. I will be sharing this view only link widely. I am also sending this to specialized directly.


I welcome constructive feedback. I realize some will not see this as a big deal. Just remember to be kind. My only goal here is to buy a bike. But their support response has been.... underwhelming.

Thanks for reading.
 
Hopefully, that gets this worked out for you, and you can get your bike. I would first just send it to Specialised and see what happens. Good luck and hope you get your bike soon!
 
Thanks!
Hopefully, that gets this worked out for you, and you can get your bike. I would first just send it to Specialised and see what happens. Good luck and hope you get your bike soon!
Thanks! I am posting here as specialized support has shown itself to be the Abbot & Costello of the support world. I have started a new support ticket and sent it to them directly. But I suspect I will get another "sorry, sucks for you" response.
 
Too apple, didn't read. Can you share the text here?
Formatting may suck.

Dear Mike Sinyard & Scott Maguire of Specialized Bicycles,


I am writing this open letter in the hopes that it will help inform you about the lack of customer focused support I have received from your company over the last few weeks. The goal is to show you that you need to make changes in order to become the rider focused company you claim to be.


Here is the sequence of events:


  • Order Vado 5.0 IGH step-through in medium from specialized.com using Klarna.
  • An unauthorized cancellation of the order occurs. (Details later)
  • The Klarna financing is cancelled.
  • The bike arrives at my local bike shop.
  • Specialized offers no other solution but ordering another bike.
  • All Vados my size and type (or any type) are out of stock.
  • I suggest ordering another bike and doing an immediate swap (not accepted).
  • A non step through version becomes available in my size. Order is attempted.
  • Klarna will not approve the purchase because of the recent cancellation.
  • Try to order a bike from another manufacturer and Klarna declined there as well.




Your unauthorized cancellation of my order has now lead to me being unable to purchase any product from you under the same conditions.


That’s not the end of it. I can’t use Klarna with any competitor of yours either. So, better put, your unauthorized purchase cancellation has affected not only my ability to buy your product, but also those of your competitors. It has affected my buying power in general.


What I want is to buy this bike under the original terms. But what has occurred here is terrifying from a security & privacy perspective.


The best solution I have been offered is that I can buy the bike from my dealer as a final sale, where I can’t test ride it and I have to bring my own interest bearing financing or pay cash. This is in stark contrast from a 30 day test drive with the possibility of exchange or return and 0% financing.


How did this happen? Due to some miscommunication (and I share some fault in this), my bike shop triggered the cancelation. I do not believe the bike store is at fault. Under the previous model where bike stores own the transaction with the customer, this would be the expected experience. Under the direct to consumer model specialized has now adopted, and I took advantage of for this order, this has become a liability.


In a direct to consumer environment, no one but the customer should have the authority to approve an order cancellation. By not validating the cancellation request directly with the customer you have opened a serious security concern.


Is there a legal, enforceable issue here? Maybe. Maybe not. That is not the point of this letter. I have zero interest in the legal aspects of this. And I am sure your lawyers will point to many different clauses in your terms and conditions that protect you from this situation. Again, not the point.


This is essentially the same situation as identity theft. You allowed someone posing as me to make changes to our shared agreement without authorization. And those changes resulted in a change in my credit availability.


Here is what I am sure about: If you truly want to be a Rider first company, the above experience is absolutely unacceptable.


I am happy to show tolerance and support for the company that truly wants to change and be the best for their customers. If that is you, by all means, reach out, and let’s solve this issue not just for me but for future riders. Your direct to consumer reputation is obviously on shaky ground. Look at any consumer reporting site like the Better Business Bureau or TrustPilot. You have work to do here. Let myself and other customers help you get that right.


If that isn’t you, I would like our relationship to end here. I am hoping it is the former for those that love your products or want to love your products.


Thank you for your time and consideration.


Sincerely yours,


Derrek Leute
 
Did you end up getting something else?

Sounds like there's a shop in your area? Did you try to see if they could get the bike? Specialized has two separate inventories so sometimes their site says "in stock" and dealers don't have access to said product.

Bummer about the Klarna issues and cancellation of the order. Specialized being out of stock is disappointing but hardly "unacceptable"
 
Did you end up getting something else?

Sounds like there's a shop in your area? Did you try to see if they could get the bike? Specialized has two separate inventories so sometimes their site says "in stock" and dealers don't have access to said product.

Bummer about the Klarna issues and cancellation of the order. Specialized being out of stock is disappointing but hardly "unacceptable"
No. Klarna has locked me out of all purchases because of the state of the purchase with specialized. I have not opted to buy anything else yet as most require my own money and I am waiting on the returns of the currents to hit.

The shop, is my specialized dealer. They literally have possession of the bike I ordered sitting in their basement (not sure if they still do, since the intent was to return it to specialized. they don't want to carry the bike) . They can't sell it to me with reasonable terms. If they open the box for me to test ride it, they have to put it in inventory and can no longer return it to specialized. Specialized won't make an exception there either. So, final sale on a bike I can't ride.

The reason it's unacceptable isn't because they are out of stock. What is unacceptable is having multiple reps telling me to simply "re-order it" when it is out of stock. It's unacceptable that I can't do that when an acceptable option is instock (as there is right now) because the original purchase issue is still locking me out of klarna. It's unacceptable that they won't address that with klarna at all. It's unacceptable that I have literally gone through this with every single rep I have communicate. It's unacceptable that this has been going on for two weeks. It is highly unacceptable that this has blocked me from using Klarna elsewhere.

Today, it took several more rounds with specialized support to get the order *properly* canceled. Doing this may finally unblock klarna allowing me to re-order or order somewhere else with klarna.

The incompetency is stunning. This company should have stayed out of direct to consumer sales. They can't handle it.
 
So talk with your money, buy another brand, lots of choices just as good as Specialized.
Not many readily available. I am on a waitlist for a gazelle c380+, and I am a bit hesitant to go with another internet direct brand (like priority) because of the lack of LBS support. If I were going to do it myself, priority is *exactly* what I would want to own. Priority is easily the best company I have ever dealt with for this kind of thing. The priority current just doesn't work well for me.
Evelo atlas and omega are on the list. Zen Samurai. There aren't that many higher powered belt/mid-drive options out there. Vado 5.0 IGH is basically the price limit. (partly because I am also looking to buy two, if I ever get a vado, there is a good chance my wife will get a como 5.0 igh)
The other issue, and the reason I am trying so hard to fix this, is I genuinely believe the vado 5.0 is the *best* bike on the market for me. It's simply infuriating. I don't have any concerns about the product itself, only the company.
 
I bought from these guys.

Flawless transaction, great communication, I was literally on the bike within a week to Mn.
Then they told me to take it in to a Gazelle dealer and have them give a once over. I sent them the receipt for the service and they credited me $50.
I also financed it with Affirm which was super easy.
 
I bought from these guys.

Flawless transaction, great communication, I was literally on the bike within a week to Mn.
Then they told me to take it in to a Gazelle dealer and have them give a once over. I sent them the receipt for the service and they credited me $50.
I also financed it with Affirm which was super easy.

There are some other complications for me. Like I can’t currently transport a bike anywhere.

So, while I would love to do that, I need to make sure the local shop (which is not a gazelle dealer) can do the work. It is likely they can/will.
 
What is your preoccupation with Klarna?

Using a 'finance shop' to purchase a bike is not a good idea. For what you would have paid in interest by purchasing the bike on a credit card using a length-of-payback terms similar to Klarna would have cost you a couple hundred bucks, you would have the bike, and after ALL this nonsense you want to turn around and use Klarna again.

They have one of the lowest customer-satisfaction ratings of anyone out there. Maybe the neighborhood loan-shark would rate a little lower.

Who exactly is it your unhappy with; Klarna or Specialized?
 
i don't quite understand. why did your LBS cancel the order? is that specialized's fault?

Due to some miscommunication (and I share some fault in this), my bike shop triggered the cancelation.

and then ... does it have anything to do with specialized that "Klarna" has some wierd policy around cancellations? specialized doesn't force you to use klarna, to the contrary, they take all kinds of payment methods. this sounds like a very frustrating situation but it also seems like a very unusual situation.
 
What is your preoccupation with Klarna?
0% for 36 months. It's not a "couple hundred" bucks, on a typical credit card, it's thousands. On my low interest card (from a credit union) it's still just short of a $1,000 over the same time frame. From an e-bike loan from my credit union it's still $600. Yeah, I could do that. But I would be absorbing money because of specialized mistake. Not gonna happen.
and then ... does it have anything to do with specialized that "Klarna" has some wierd policy around cancellations? specialized doesn't force you to use klarna, to the contrary, they take all kinds of payment methods. this sounds like a very frustrating situation but it also seems like a very unusual situation.
Yes, it's an unusual situation. There are several problems here: they canceled the order after the last time I talked to them, that was not the intent. The LBS came in later and did it. Their *only* solution to that is to go "order a new bike*. They can't even send me an invoice for the bike sitting at my shop so I could use a different payment method let alone klarna. Having "re-order the same bike" be the *only* solution when 1) your financing company is rogue and 2) they have stock issues, is really anti-consumer. and 3) *their* side did it without approval (it's not like I hit return/cancel order on the web site) They don't care that they fix my problems because they know that bike is going to sell to the next guy.

I get that they don't control klarna. But they can't even offer me a different purchase method on the same bike. That's nuts. I literally can not buy the bike from them that was shipped to my LBS *by their own choice*.
Who exactly is it your unhappy with; Klarna or Specialized?
Specialized triggered the problem by not having proper policies around canceling a customer's order. They are the fundamental problem. Klarna is exacerbating the issue for them. If they weren't I would have re-ordered as stated weeks ago. Klarna is useless. But, it is ultimately specialized problem.
My .02 is, save up until you can afford to pay cash. Waiting is hard, I know; I'm not very patient myself.
I would consider this if specialized could invoice me for the step-through model I already bought. That's the bike I want. But I need the terms to be the standard online terms so I can *try* the bike (no bike store near me carries 5.0 IGH models for test rides) and see that I can live with the automatiq. Possibly do an exchange on size or other issue (all parts of the online terms) Etc.

Specialized can't deal with anything. Their support staff can't figure out how to refund properly and the number of lines I have gotten from them "Sorry, your bike must have been damaged in transit and no one told you", "Oh, we ran out of stock". No, the bike is at my LBS. So tired of it.
 
why did your LBS cancel the order? is that specialized's fault?
I ordered directly through specialized. I had a bike accident with my eight year old and talked to the LBS about cancellation policy. I had told them I likely wouldn't want to keep the bike (I was pretty rattled. I won't put my kid in a trailer anymore because of a trailer malfunction. I was lucky he was fine). When I got home, I talked to specialized and seeing they had a pretty flexible return policy, I decided not to make the decision right then. The LBS went ahead and canceled it. And the problem there is: why did they have unilateral power to do so? I didn't buy the bike from them. Why would specialized even allow the bike shop to cancel it without confirming it with me? I bought direct from specialized, not the bike shop. They should not have the power to do that without customer approval.

If specialized wants the LBS to have that power, fine. But when the LBS makes a mistake (what if they canceled my bike accidentally instead of another customers?), what specialized is saying is there is *no solution*. If I had ordered through the LBS, the LBS would simply sell me the bike (no option here because of stock, and yes, I wanted Klarna). But since I ordered direct through specialized.... I can no longer buy this bike. No options. (Sorry, no, technically, I could buy it as a final sale, no test ride, cash or my own financing. not going to happen either).

Regardless of *how* this happened, specialized has shown itself to be completely incapable at dealing with anything. It's a serious concern for if I ever needed support in an "unusual" situation. "Oh wait, you moved to canada with your bike? Sorry, can only warranty it in the U.S.". I bet almost anything something like that would happen with specialized.
 
I read it like you’re buying something you can’t afford. AND Klarna sucks. It was years before I could buy a new car and decades before I could buy a new cage outright. There are good bikes for far less than the price of a Specialized. You’re young, relax, some battles are just not worth the time and energy. “Work hard boy, you’ll find someday you’ll have a job like mine..”

If I learned anything from 7 years of customer support, it’s that there is always more to every story.

I don't want to work away Doing just what they all say Work hard boy and you'll find One day you'll have a job like mine 'Cause I know for sure Nobody should be that poor To say yes or sink low Because you happen to say so, say so, you say so I don't want to work away Doing just what they all say Work hard boy and you'll find One day you'll have a job like mine, job like mine, a job like mine Be wise, look ahead Use your eyes he said Be straight, think right But I might die tonight!Source: LyricFindSongwriters: StevensBut I Might Die Tonight lyrics © BMG Rights Management
 
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