Stefan Mikes
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Off-road capable E-Bike recommendation!
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FlatSix911
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Let me guess... the B-thing?
(Sorry!)
Yes, I know, but after talking with Pushkar I believe he has engineered a high-quality custom controller to optimize the motor.
Take a look at his WattWagon website and informational video... as a fellow engineer you may find this very interesting.
Archon X1 Controller
Archon X1 Introducing a breakthrough in mid-drive motor technology. Watt Wagons launches the Archon X1 controller for the Bafang Ultra. Developed in Germany, the Archon X1 pushes the Bafang Ultra to a world beating performance standard. Upgrade Today! 2 Year WarrantyOn the controller only Up to...
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Stefan Mikes
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I'll believe in Pushkar when he finally goes for Bosch, Brose, Yamaha, Shimano.
Ever wondered why R&M didn't use the B-thing?
Just chatted with Pushkar. Looks like he has a new carbon bike coming down the pipe that has everything I'm looking for besides non-Chinese motor. Still used the Bafang Ultra. For the price I may be able to let that one slide. Nice Taiwain made carbon frame and high quality parts.
FlatSix911
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Good to hear that you spoke with Pushkar... you will not be disappointed with his products.
I have added the link to the EBR forum on WattWagons for reference and background information.
Watt Wagons - World Record Setting E-bikes Built in USA
Watt Wagons makes the Hydra, Helios, and Pulse! The new generation of automotive grade, nearly maintenance free e-bikes right here in USA. Powered by Bafang motors and Custom Controllers.
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reed scott
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I don't wish to be controversial Stefan but what will you say in a couple years when some of your preferred motor manufacturers start selling more powerful offerings with throttles here in the US? I predict they will.
rich c
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I'd almost take that bet. eBikes in North America are still small potatoes compared to Europe. There are higher eBike numbers in major metropolitan areas, but not that much in the rest of the country based on my location. I have no cycling friends that ride eBikes, I know no one that commutes on an eBike in Central IL, and I'm the only eBike rider on our bike co-op rides. The only people I know with an eBike is the guy I sold 2 used Sondors to, and my son. Not that Peoria IL is a mecca of bicycles, but if I was a big motor company, I would not change a design based on Central IL.I don't wish to be controversial Stefan but what will you say in a couple years when some of your preferred motor manufacturers start selling more powerful offerings with throttles here in the US? I predict they will.
reed scott
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A LOT of the American ebike market is us boomers. Just look at this board.
We are the largest demographic in the country. 90% of my generation do not yet know about ebikes. But they will find out. They will talk to their friends who are out and about on their bikes for the first time in decades and many of them will want to join in. This is a market on the cusp of burgeoning. We grew up with muscle cars and hot rods. Why put up with puny motors? The US will become a huge market place for ebikes.
Stefan Mikes
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I don't want to be controversial but I think the major reason so many Americans require throttle is the fact they do not know what the derailleur is for (Europeans drive mostly manual transmission cars and the principle is clear for us Euro people). Plus, many Americans think e-bikes should actually mean e-motorbikes. Making such e-bikes heavy and almost not to be started from the intersection just on pedals in low gear.
I quit, sorry.
P.S. I see the OP has already accepted Taiwanese components (right!) but "let slide" the most important e-bike component: the motor.
I quit, sorry.
P.S. I see the OP has already accepted Taiwanese components (right!) but "let slide" the most important e-bike component: the motor.
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rich c
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I've said it so many times, but a Bosch mid drive is the perfect power for my riding. I'd say Americans want scooters and don't care much about the exercise.A LOT of the American ebike market is us boomers. Just look at this board.
kmccune
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I watch these Ebike commercials and 90% of the time it shows people riding these things without peddling.I found I overestimated my battery size, because my intent was to do more peddling then "twisting', my Cruiser EBike is a heavy monster and with the fat tires its a bitch to peddle on inclines. Since my "epiphany", I can get by with less and most probably weigh a lot less in the bargain.The roads I ride have shaken the "Great Pumpkin" to pieces practically.
FlatSix911
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I would not generalize about the entire US population... all of the cyclists that I ride with pedal a lot, especially off-road!
I tore up my ankle on a wipeout once 7 miles from home...that thumb throttle was a life-saver. It also was awesome on some major inclines. I sense some jealousy! LOL!
Nova Haibike
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Riese & Müller is the only manufacturer that I can think of that offers those two items together.
EDIT: found another. The Nicolai G1 EBOXX G14
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kmccune
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There is a couple of other bike manus that offer a fair bike for the money( not hardcore MTB,) should work fine on a standard trail,a couple of models from Eahora and EUNORA, while you cannot accuse these of being great you might say they are entry-level and would help you decide if you wanted to spend the big Bucks on something you would regularly take out of the hanger.
At 64 my next bike will either be a build or something with regen and at least some rear suspension, when I am running the "cruiser" flat out on a slight incline( not ghost pedaling at 36 mph,I am aware what would happen if a white-tailed deer stepped out in front of me, the deer would probably survive while I would be a crumpled mess.
I am trying to get the courage up to ask the US Forest service about the chances of turning a local steep fire trail into an MTB trail, it would traverse several ridgelines and have a few moderate to steep climbs, hopefully ending up at a 4000 acre B&B. We have a paucity of MTB trails in this area which is a shame.
Dewey
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Their website says Engineered in Canada, but manufactured using their global supply chain ie China https://www.acceleratedsystems.com/capabilities/global-manufacturing
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Dewey
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The base MAC motor is made in China
Dewey
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Have they returned production to Japan? Reportedly Yamaha and Panasonic manufacture ebikes in Kunshun, China and Taiwan.
Dewey
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Good call, global supply chains make it very difficult for you to identify the source of content or manufacture, eg Grin Tech’s all axle motor uses a controller made in China, and presumably that’s where the copper windings for the motor are made, Grin makes the motor case. The system design and programming code is done here.
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