I carry a tube, C02 cartridges and power head, tire levers, and a multi-tool in a bottle-cage canister. BUT, you just reminded me that I need to check that multitool to see if it has the right hex for the wheels! If not, I've been carrying that thing around for nothing...
www.baramind-bike.com
Still, the Creo is a very 'slick' looking ebike. If I were 30 years younger...
Ahhh, to be fifty again! Those were the days, as they say.Well, there are loads of differences between the Vado and the Creo. And I'm 52 and not getting any younger so it's probably not the bike for me.
HOWEVER, as far as having to place a larger battery, I submit this example of a very elegant 700WH battery solution from the very same company:
I love my Vado, really, but it's an ugly duck compared to that! (I am only speaking of the down tube design, I like the rest of the bike...)
Also, the Vado battery is relatively short, so it is easy to carry a spare in the pannier. I understand you don't like the looks of the Vado; on contrary, I find the design sexy and appealing I have been looking for yet another e-bike and could not find anything that nice in the Class 3... Yes, R&M bikes are nice but these are very heavy. Oh, yes, the Allant+ 9.9s looks nice.When I was 52, I felt my health had deteriorated. I did a serious medical examination related to the heart first. Finally, the doctor sent me to the exercise treadmill. When I finished, the cardiologist shouted at me:
-- It is unbelievable -- He was shouting -- You are healthy from the cardio viewpoint but you're gonna to start moving! Walk! Run! Whatever! MOVE! -- Can I ride a bike instead? -- I asked -- Yes, you can.
Which is why I didn't buy one.These are sweet : I have been looking Myself for awhile : In EMTB Specalized Levo seems to be the Industry standard : Plus that Mountain Bike design is actually slight More upright : I started out Think Class 3 : I may still go that Route : Although A Mountain Bike design is far more versatile : Plus the cadence support helps. 20 MPH is still cruising : Keep in mind the Mountain Bike style is geared lower: Also depends where you live : You going to be doing alot of miles on paved Roads Wide open ? Or more on and Off ? Personally I don't care for the full Fender of the Vado. Although In My Opinon of the class 3 : It is the best looking over allWell, there are loads of differences between the Vado and the Creo. And I'm 52 and not getting any younger so it's probably not the bike for me.
HOWEVER, as far as having to place a larger battery, I submit this example of a very elegant 700WH battery solution from the very same company:
I love my Vado, really, but it's an ugly duck compared to that! (I am only speaking of the down tube design, I like the rest of the bike...)
We RE LIKeLY AT THE PEAk of what we will see in Battery and engine size for maybe 5 years :
Couldn't agree with the benefits of cycling more! Just about 17 years ago our sons bought my wife and I entry level MTB's. The rest is history; mechanical bikes for long rides out in California's Central Valley, ebikes for local hilly rides and errands, and supported bike tours for vacations. A lot of fun, and good fitness.C'mon Dan, would you really like to open the bottom cover with an Allen wrench and make a dive to be able to remove the battery for charging in your Vado? Or to have a battery requiring removing the motor first? (Levo SL)
When I was 52, I felt my health had deteriorated. I did a serious medical examination related to the heart first. Finally, the doctor sent me to the exercise treadmill. When I finished, the cardiologist shouted at me:
-- Hey mister! How comes you get the heart rate of 220 after thirty seconds of effort?! Don't you do any walking at all?! -- No, sir -- I replied -- we people of the countryside don't walk, we ride cars instead
So I bought me a bike after 17 years of no riding.
C'mon Dan, would you really like to open the bottom cover with an Allen wrench and make a dive to be able to remove the battery for charging in your Vado? Or to have a battery requiring removing the motor first? (Levo SL)
When I was 52, I felt my health had deteriorated. I did a serious medical examination related to the heart first. Finally, the doctor sent me to the exercise treadmill. When I finished, the cardiologist shouted at me:
-- Hey mister! How comes you get the heart rate of 220 after thirty seconds of effort?! Don't you do any walking at all?! -- No, sir -- I replied -- we people of the countryside don't walk, we ride cars instead
So I bought me a bike after 17 years of no riding.
I'm so sorry for people saying "Vado almost made my list but (after reading reviews etc) I decided it was too expensive for what it offers" -- meaning they have never ridden that marvel.)I don't care for the fender on the Vado either, so I removed it (photo above). This won't work for everyone of course but for the way I use the bike it works for me.
Nice Would be interested to hear a Review : Vado's are nice : But lets face it : They are squirrel in the trails : Where did u get a deal at ?? If you don't mind sayingI don't care for the fender on the Vado either, so I removed it (photo above). This won't work for everyone of course but for the way I use the bike it works for me.
I was on the fence in a major way between the Vado and a mountain bike. I agree mountain bikes are the most versatile - just put on a set of fast rolling cross-country tires and you can go anywhere (this is what I did for my girlfriend's bike). I considered the Bulls E-STREAM EVO 45. Awesome bike but I don't want trouble on the trails so I needed Class 1.
Anyway, I ended up with the Vado.
Levo is industry standard for sure. If you read up in the "other" forum (emtb...) you'll find that people love them but SO many of them have issues. I'm sure they'll get it straightened out just like they did with the Vado.
Vado is awesome but I still want to ride trails. Fedex will drop this at my door tomorrow. New bike day!!! (and I got a ridiculously great deal)
To be honest, being an owner of a 2020 5.0, and now on my 4th ebike, I feel they are correct. I think at $5150 the bike is 15-20% overpriced. But there's a lot of that going around on the premium offerings of many model lines.
The Giant Fastroad was #2 for me as well. Battery capacity was a major draw in the Vado's favor, though the Giant's rack and price were winners. Both had excellent LBS support. The extra torque of the Brose motor, the 11 speed drive train and the quality of the drive components finally won out for the Vado, despite the price.
