List of e-bike brands not made in China

[Alex M]

Can you give specific and recent examples of countries that have accomplished that?

I can think of two: North Korea and Albania.

Accomplish what ? North Korea and Albania have neither means nor intentions to bolster economy of some other country. They can't even bolster their own economy.
Helping a dictatorship regime of a big country like China isn't smart. North Korea is the China's proxy, it was occupied and created with this sole purpose, and China makes darn sure that they don't become strong enough to threaten China.

 

[Mr. Coffee]

Accomplish what ? North Korea and Albania have neither means nor intentions to bolster economy of some other country. They can't even bolster their own economy.
Helping a dictatorship regime of a big country like China isn't smart. North Korea is the China's proxy, it was occupied and created with this sole purpose, and China makes darn sure that they don't become strong enough to threaten China.

Both North Korea and Albania advocated a kind of self-sufficiency that did not desire trade with the outside world.

China also eschewed trade with the outside world from about the 14th century until the Europeans and Americans muscled in on them in the 1800s. Note that because they (the Chinese) cut themselves off from the world economically for centuries they were a total basket case and easy pickings for Western countries.

The old Soviet Union was a far greater threat to the West than China could ever hope to be. Yet we traded with them. One could argue that the trickle of trade that was permitted hastened the inevitable collapse of the USSR.

I understand the appeal of your position, but consider it wrong-headed and naive. Trade wars tend to produce real wars. Trade wars tend to produce economic collapses. Whatever short-term benefits might arise from trade restrictions, I like living and I like being able to eat and am not a fan of either war or economic collapse.

 

[rich c]

The Simple Fact is Our money needs to be kept in the U.S. for U.S. based products. We all need to be Less dependent on Foreign goods. Our economy will only improve by doing this. Why bolster the economy in other Countries ... Unless they are Allies. We have suitable products right Here in the U.S. that Will do what we need if we think about it. ?

That plan disappeared decades ago when American owned companies started outsourcing to the cheap labor, and Americans could buy cheap junk fast enough. Are you ready for $100 work jeans? Are you ready for every Walmart to shut down? Whose money do you think rebuilt Viet Nam, Korea, Japan, Germany, etc...? In another case, America couldn't bring Nazi engineers here fast enough at the end of WWII. Keep our money here? Henry Ford had rubber plantations set up for the Model T. How are we going to bring chocolate, rubber, coffee, bananas, to America only? How are you going to get blueberries and strawberries from the grocery store in February? We need the world economy to flourish.

 

[Ravi Kempaiah]

Keep in mind that "trade" is both buying and selling. So if we stop buying their stuff they will stop buying our stuff. That might not sound so bad, but if you lived in Iowa or Nebraska you might have a very different opinion.

Please read some history on trade wars and tariffs. They are not happy histories.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...-tariffs-insists-they-wont-hurt-us-consumers/

 

[DavidBer]

The Simple Fact is Our money needs to be kept in the U.S. for U.S. based products. We all need to be Less dependent on Foreign goods. Our economy will only improve by doing this. Why bolster the economy in other Countries ... Unless they are Allies. We have suitable products right Here in the U.S. that Will do what we need if we think about it. ?

This may sound good in theory, but I think you are missing the forest because of the trees.

My background is that I used to have a LOT of apparel manufactured. Hundreds of millions of dollars of apparel. We sourced the world to make. Some times we would make in LA. Some times we would make in Mexico. Most of the time we would make in China. Why? Because of what you are trying to do is converse of most Americans.

One of the ways I would describe the situation was: In America, a guy gets roughly $100 a day. In Mexico, a guy gets roughly $100 a week. In China, a guy gets roughly $150 a month. When you do the math on the labor component, you are now looking at the labor that is easily 10 times more expensive. What winds up happening is that the labor goes from basically free to a point where it is 60% of the cost of the goods. That cost is passed back on to the consumer.

Now in regards to the $100 jeans, while the guy was heading you down a path, it would not be that bad. Jeans are generally made in Mexico. You can thank Walmart for lowering the cost of Jeans. Back in the 90s when Levi's was floundering and had their own stores, Walmart wanted to put Levi's in their stores. Walmart wanted to order 2mm pairs for an initial order. This was also around the time when there was a made in America push by Walmart. Levi's were selling for $48 and up at the stores. Walmart wanted to sell them for $22 a pair. How'd this go? Walmart ordered the jeans and sold them for $22. Levi's now needed to make 2mm pair of jeans. Levi's hired to have them made in Mexico at the cost of $10 a pair. Jeans dropped down to $10 to make. This was something new, thanks NAFTA.

I brought that up because the point of keeping money in the US and how you are missing the forest because you are in the trees.

If you spent $48 on the jeans prior to this, $48 stayed in the country, but not in your hands. You got the jeans. Now for $22 you got the jeans and also have $26 in your pocket. You kept $26. Isn't that keeping the cash in the US? How much money did you send to China? Think about that. The labor is really a little amount. The raw materials? Well, that can come from ANYWHERE in the world. So think some more about what you are gaining and good luck

 

[Ian Moone]

Irregardless, I Still make an extreme effort to buy AMERICAN when I can ! Even Walmart sells SOME American made goods If you look for them, and I Do ! China, NK , and Russia could be reduced to a Parking lot, and I Won't shed a Tear !! ???

 

[DavidBer]

@Ian

Ok, let me have just a little bit of fun with you.

This statement should probably give you pause.

All the antibiotics and most of the drugs that you get at the pharmacy, the hospital and over the counter . . .

ALL MADE IN CHINA.

There are NO US based companies that make any antibiotics. Our country has outsourced our ability to fight any bacteria to China. Think some more about that. That means that our military relies on China for its medicines.

 

[Ian Moone]

@Ian

Ok, let me have just a little bit of fun with you.

This statement should probably give you pause.

All the antibiotics and most of the drugs that you get at the pharmacy, the hospital and over the counter . . .

ALL MADE IN CHINA.

There are NO US based companies that make any antibiotics. Our country has outsourced our ability to fight any bacteria to China. Think some more about that. That means that our military relies on China for its medicines.

Lol, that's Fine with me , because I'm 58 and take N-O-T-H-I-N-G on a Daily basis ! ?. Occasionally, I'll take some baby aspirin, or a OTC dieuretic but that's it .

 

[Bruce Arnold]

Irregardless, I Still make an extreme effort to buy AMERICAN when I can ! Even Walmart sells SOME American made goods If you look for them, and I Do ! China, NK , and Russia could be reduced to a Parking lot, and I Won't shed a Tear !! ???

OK, there's the xenophobia. Time to pull the plug on this thread.