Is Tesla about to have it's lunch eaten ?

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You betcha !


The VW ID. 3 is the first of a number of EV's that are going to blow away the sales numbers of Tesla's in numerous countries, not just Norway, Netherlands, Spain, other parts of Europe and eventually here in the US.

It's car exterior designs are way too long in the tooth, too pricey as always, and Tesla's debt load is massive and prevents them from being nimble enough to keep up with an industry stalwart like VW, who also has incredible numbers of service centers, and a long history.

VW also knows how to build vehicles for the masses, and Tesla just does not have the marketing expertise and savvy to compete except in a very small high end semi luxury niche. Porsche also owned by VW, will blow them away with their car designs and fan base alone, along with it's pedigree renowned around the world.


It's gonna be game over for Tesla soon, and it won't be just VW, but a number of other players who just have too much experience, far more consumer infrastructure, more mass vehicle building prowess to help many of them leapfrog Tesla as EV's go from early adopter to early mainstream then mainstream within the next 2 decades.

Besides that Tesla is just Musk. He can't keep talent, and has lost more than 200 key executives and industry talented engineers in the past few years , who all got their 'ticket punched' with the Tesla initially innovative and breakthrough name brand EV company. He's notoriously impossible to work for or around with his massive ego, and he got away with briefly, but now there are just too many other places to work, and better companies after one has punched' their ticket and tolerated his maniacal personality. But it's not a true car company and never will be under a celebrity seeking, limelight stealing, antic prone PayPal bred Musk.

And lastly Tesla's price trading at 52x 2024's super optimistic vehicle sales numbers that project out earnings, is not necessarily any sort of blessing for the company. If the overall stock market turns south after a win by the wrong President, Tesla stock price could take a serious beating which would put it's debt ratings and ability to raise more capital to introduce more models in deep jeopardy. Musk has been carrying on one heck of an admirable high wire balance act, keeping the company afloat, but he hasn't until now seen the fierce price and volume competition that the industry is about to unleash on him, since he has a really big target on his back as the lead technological dog in the EV world. A lot of other more important things can trump ' technological' leads.

Most consumers don't need to have the fastest EV, or longest range one, to do the majority of their trips that average less than 5 miles,nor need/want a big freaking massive iPad dominating the interior of their car.
 
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The man accomplished more in 30 minutes than you have in your entire life... not to mention he's pushed the industry in the right direction and he'll be in space before VW figures out another way to lie and cheat as with thier emissions scandal.. You'll never see me in a scumbag p.o.s. VW.
 
Tesla’s been taking the big companies lunch money for years so in answering your initial question...NO
Battery tech, software, brand identity all at the top.
I might personally think Musk is a creep but I want me some Cyber Truck
 
The man accomplished more in 30 minutes than you have in your entire life... not to mention he's pushed the industry in the right direction and he'll be in space before VW figures out another way to lie and cheat as with thier emissions scandal.. You'll never see me in a scumbag p.o.s. VW.
You'd better do some research on other diesel manufacturers who cheated the system if emission cheating makes them the devil. Cummins based in Columbus, In and Isuzu to name a couple. VW just had deep pockets and made them an easy target in the media. Even Caterpillar played with the system when they were still selling on highway engines. The major reason they quit selling engines. I know because I worked there. So American companies were no different.
 
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You'd better do some research on other diesel manufacturers who cheated the system if emission cheating makes them the devil. Cummins based in Columbus, In and Isuzu to name a couple. VW just had big pockets and made them an easy target in the media. Even Caterpillar played with the system when they were still selling on highway engines. The major reason they quit selling engines. I know because I worked there. So American companies were no different.
3 wrongs still make a wrong and I wouldn't drive a diesel anything.
 
Tesla made dough trading in green credits, but once a bunch of other companies have those green credits, that's another money source drying up a bit.
 
Tesla is still the gold standard in EVs... like Apple with mobile phones.

There may be more Androids, but people will still pay the premium for an iPhone.

Model 3 is best selling EV everywhere... Cybertruck and $25k model will keep them at the lunch table in my opinion.
 
3 wrongs still make a wrong and I wouldn't drive a diesel anything.
Sure they don't. But continuing the folk tale that the "scumbag p.o.s. VW" was the only abuser of diesel engine emission programming also does a disservice considering it was nearly an industry wide scandal. Also look at Volvo, Renault, Jeep, Hyundai, Citroen, and Fiat. So we have 9 wrongs don't make it right.
 
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Articles that focus on Tesla's debt load and average selling price remind me of 20 years ago when analysts had similar concerns about Amazon.

I'm not really a Tesla fanboy, but I don't think Musk wants to be a car salesman anymore than Bezos wanted to be a bookseller.

I totally agree.
I think he wanted to prove that it could be done, domestically no less... and drive the technology forward.
Just a small detail that flew way over the small mind of the original post.
 
Sure they don't. But continuing the folk tale that the "scumbag p.o.s. VW" was the only abuser of diesel engine emission programming also does a disservice considering it was nearly an industry wide scandal. Also look at Volvo, Renault, Jeep, Hyundai, Citroen, and Fiat. So we have 9 wrongs don't make it right.

The OP referenced VW... so that's why I did. I didn't realize that I had to mention every p.o.s. in order to reply.
Since they did it on the largest scale and with the most devious of methods I stand by my scumbag statement.
But yes, being the biggest scumbag doesn't make them the only scumbag... So point taken.
 
350mile range vs 200mile range for VW id4. They claim 250 but is far from that. VW will be for less knowledgeable people like Nio is in China.

On my ebike ride past Sunday in Nj , on a 15mile stretch i saw 10Model Y's. Too Many model 3's to count. A few model S and X also:

VW- No Autopilot, no charging infrastructure, no fsd, no summons, no Sentry mode, no big battery deals or their own battery production.
The answer is No. For the Cybertruck, i'm one of the 800k+ that put down a deposit. Prepare to see them in your rearview mirror soon😉. One blink and is gone. That fast.

VW trades @17$

TSLA- 17$+420$.
 
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VW got into electric in a big way because they got caught in dieselgate. There have been reports of a lot of software bugs in the early cars. I'd look at some owner experiences before jumping on board.
 
I find it funny that a guy who started a pure ebike shop is so down on the company that is pushing the EV market. Didn’t realize he’s started so many threads bashing Tesla.
 
Wolfsburg, Germany, 2021:

Tesla Attorney: We have thousands of patents on electric vehicles. We don't yet know which ones you are infringing upon but it is safe to bet you are infringing upon some of them. So why don't you just pay our reasonable $1 billion per year in licensing fees for all of our patents or we can go to the mattresses and sort this thing out in the courts: where we will get triple damages for infringement?

VW Executive: _____

Yes, Tesla has "open-sourced" many of their patents. But you need to comply with their licensing terms and I have my doubts that any of the automakers are even bothering.
 
I guess these older companies are not happy that Tesla is dominating the market.

Well, Tesla pretty much created the market, on top they made it affordable. They lead in battery tech and seem to be selling so much that they are limited to battery production rate.

I don't see how VW or any other car manufacturer remotely close to Tesla. The car mentioned in the post has less range, much slower(more like an EV version of prius) yet costs the same or more than the base model of model 3.

On the contrary, It is going to be the end of some big traditional car manufacturers if they can not adapt to this change.
 
I find it funny that a guy who started a pure ebike shop is so down on the company that is pushing the EV market. Didn’t realize he’s started so many threads bashing Tesla.

He must be on a payroll from their competition.

And smartly knowing that ebikers would obvioulsy buy Ev's like Tesla , mikey's is advertising on ebr his shorting position😃.

I would be returning all ebikes bought to mikey's ebike store.
 
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