Getting my first road ebike - Specialized vs Canyon

[Henrikhoe]

Hi i was going to buy the Orbea m30i (not an ebike). But i find after trying my friends ebike that its easier for me to do longer trips.
I have narrowed the search to specialized turbo creo vs canyon enduracen (not in stock) og grailn (currently on sale)

Now the specialized i can see power meter data and cadence on my garmin edge, can the grailn also show that? I havnt found any info that says it can, but maybe im just bad at looking up things.
Is the power meter shown on these bike computers, my own power output, or does it add the power from the motor?
I am really not sure what bikes to get, the specialized is a lot lighter, but the grailn is much more powerful.
Specaialized i a have local dealer to help me with things.

I live in Europe btw, so they are both restricted to 25km/h.
Thanks for reading, and sharing your insights with me.

 

[Deacon Blues]

Having a dealer close by is a BIG plus when buying an ebike. Both are excellent bikes, so you can't go wrong buying either bike.
If you're worried about the Creo's lower power/torque rating compared to the Grail then you may be happier with the Grail. I have a Cannondale Topstone Neo Lefty 3 with the same motor as the Grail's and I really like how it performs, but at 39 pounds (roughly the same weight as the Grail) I often wish it was lighter.
You also may want to wait for a new model e-road bike with with the new Bosch SX motor.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Specialized reports your own pedalling power.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

You also may want to wait for a new model e-road bike with with the new Bosch SX motor.

Or Creo with the new Specialized SL 1.2 motor

 

[PedalUma]

Canyon is direct to consumer. They say that they use bikerepair.com for service. I recommend that you check on the service end of things before a purchase. A new complex bike could be offline for a long time without good local service. Do they have parts in stock that are specific to the electrical side of your bike, not just mechanical. Do the local technicians know how to replace a bearing in the motor?

 

[Henrikhoe]

Or Creo with the new Specialized SL 1.2 motor

Thanks for that info, is there any news on when does ebike will be available? I can wait until 2024. There is not that much stock now anywas on 2023 models.

 

[Henrikhoe]

Having a dealer close by is a BIG plus when buying an ebike. Both are excellent bikes, so you can't go wrong buying either bike.
If you're worried about the Creo's lower power/torque rating compared to the Grail then you may be happier with the Grail. I have a Cannondale Topstone Neo Lefty 3 with the same motor as the Grail's and I really like how it performs, but at 39 pounds (roughly the same weight as the Grail) I often wish it was lighter.
You also may want to wait for a new model e-road bike with with the new Bosch SX motor.

Do you know any bikes that has been announced with the new bosch sx motor?
I have an old road bike im using daily, and if its better to wait until 2024, maybe that is the better option, especially if there is a big leap

 

[Deacon Blues]

The new Bosch SX motor is coming out in some mountain bikes, but so far I haven't heard of any e-road bikes coming out with this motor.

 

[m@Robertson]

If the sellers in your area have not started discounting their new inventory, under no circumstances would I buy now. Price discounts are on the way across the industry. Specialized has already started in the USA.

 

[Mulezen]

I saw Trek dropped its price on Allant 9.9, and others too. This window is a good time to buy unless you’re waiting on something specific

 

[Saratoga Dave]

Big discounts on the Grails as well.

 

[Ranger Dave]

Do you know any bikes that has been announced with the new bosch sx motor?
I have an old road bike im using daily, and if its better to wait until 2024, maybe that is the better option, especially if there is a big leap

I have the same question, but for gravel bikes.

 

[cyclesam]

Specialized Turbo Creo is an outstanding choice. I've had mine for 2 years and love it. The only downside is the motor is a little noisy in low gears going slowly.

 

[PedalUma]

Creo 2 is just starting its release.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Creo 2 is just starting its release.

Creo 2 is not exactly a road e-bike. It is a gravel e-bike.

 

[m@Robertson]

Specialized says its both.

Turbo Creo SL

From seasoned pros and weekend warriors to kids and commuters, if you ride, we’re here for you. We believe that bikes have the power to change lives, and this simple truth drives us to be and do better.

www.specialized.com

 

[Stefan Mikes]

Specialized says its both.

Turbo Creo SL

From seasoned pros and weekend warriors to kids and commuters, if you ride, we’re here for you. We believe that bikes have the power to change lives, and this simple truth drives us to be and do better.

www.specialized.com

It does not matter what Specialized says but what it is.

 

[PedalUma]

Specialized under rates nominal power, unlike most. These bikes are super capable. They are ideal for a mature roadie who has money and knows. It is an outlier to the right tail and not attempting to target the third quintile masses like an Aventon Level 2. It stands alone out there. I will sell an old friend Neil a carbon 2. His roadie buddies are going electric, he rides long almost daily and he can afford it and will appreciate it. It is a better value that trying to upgrade a lesser bike to try to match most of it, as with electronic shifting. A typical teen in a trailer park in Oklahoma wouldn't like the taste of a $150 bottle of wine but would prefer the taste of a $5 bottle. This bike is not for everyone.

 

[Rás Cnoic]

It does not matter what Specialized says but what it is.

It's both. designed to be ridden on road and on gravel. An all rounder or as Spesh says:

Road or Gravel? 5 miles or 5 hours? Climb or Descend? Suffer or Smile? More power or less weight? Creo 2 isn’t about having to choose. It’s about having it all. With more power, big range, lightweight, huge tire clearance, and Future Shock 3.0, it’s category-defying, making previously impossible rides possible.

Fits with the current trend of the expansion of endurance road bikes into All Road bikes - one bike to rule them all etc etc. Gravel anyway was always a compromise & handy marketing term in that halfway house between mtb and road. If you want a lightweight & pure road bike with race proven geo then no the Creo isn't for you. But if you want an e road bike that can go pretty much anywhere then the Creo is the one.

 

[Stefan Mikes]

It's both. designed to be ridden on road and on gravel. An all rounder or as Spesh says:

Road or Gravel? 5 miles or 5 hours? Climb or Descend? Suffer or Smile? More power or less weight? Creo 2 isn’t about having to choose. It’s about having it all. With more power, big range, lightweight, huge tire clearance, and Future Shock 3.0, it’s category-defying, making previously impossible rides possible.

Fits with the current trend of the expansion of endurance road bikes into All Road bikes - one bike to rule them all etc etc. Gravel anyway was always a compromise & handy marketing term in that halfway house between mtb and road. If you want a lightweight & pure road bike with race proven geo then no the Creo isn't for you. But if you want an e road bike that can go pretty much anywhere then the Creo is the one.

They can say all what they want. Creo 2 comes on 47 mm tyres with a 55 mm clearance. It has a gravel bike geometry. It has a flared handlebars. It has a dropper seat post. It has multiple bosses to mount water bottle cages, a rear rack etc. It comes with the proper 12x142 mm rear hub (not the Road Boost). Yes, several EBRF members have modded their Creo 2 to make it a more road bike but they only crippled a classic gravel e-bike to force it into the role it has never been designed for. Just to have a stronger and quieter motor.

Creo 1 is a road e-bike that would be admitted to the e-Giro race. Creo 2 would not be admitted as its max motor power exceeds 250 W.

Road e-bikes do not sell in Europe (the 25 km/h restriction). Gravel bikes are the current trend and the speed limit is not critical in the forest, where most of the Euro gravel races are organized.

@Dazmanturbo you could explain Ras what you have done to convert a Creo 2 into a more proper road e-bike